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Old Oct 27th, 2006, 11:31 pm Thread Starter
 
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Test rode K1200Gt today

Well; I went to the BMW dealer today again just before demo day (cause of rain that day); Tested the K1200S w/ risers, and the R1200RT. K/S; very nice, but not a GT, and insurance is too high on K/S. I liked the K/Gt much better than any bike i've tested yet. I guess I'm A comfort junky. Dealer wants to sell 06 k1200GT(blue) for a slightly better price. What are the differences of the 06 and the 07's of this model.This bike is no slouch! Now next step is to see what else is available w/ same ergo's and comfort(not Goldwing!) from other manufacturer, sa.Yamaha or Kawasaki(new 1400 08 concord) ect... in comparison to the GT. That would be hard. What are the difference of the servo to the non- servo brakes? please explain.

Also; what are the basic difference between the 04 models and the newer model 06 and 07's K1200GT. I was told the older bikes had great engines; but were 100lbs heavier; though I could never feel it sitting on it and leaning. Thanks;

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Old Oct 27th, 2006, 11:36 pm
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the older GTS and the new GTS have different engines. The '06 is a variant (torque and power are differnt) of the engine found in the K1200S and K1200R. The Older GT had the same engine as the K1200RS (same engine as the 1999-2004 LTs but more horsepower).

The newer GT has a different frame as well as a new the suspension system (Hossack).



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The newer GT has a different frame as well as a new the suspension system (Hossack).
We know that, but BMW will never mutter the name Hossack, or God forbid have that actually printed in anything. If they did, they may actually have to acknowledge Norman Hossack, or actually pay him something.

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the new K/gt gets valve inspection at 12K mi (7 hrs labor just to get in there). Seems to me BMW just copied the Japanese motors for the new GT plant. I am impressed with the bike, but dont like the ramifications of trying to do the work myself. Looks like a new Connie may be the ticket.

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Are the R models require this much labor to work on ?
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the new K/gt gets valve inspection at 12K mi (7 hrs labor just to get in there). Seems to me BMW just copied the Japanese motors for the new GT plant. I am impressed with the bike, but dont like the ramifications of trying to do the work myself. Looks like a new Connie may be the ticket.

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I'm wondering if the new non-european models;Kaw,Suz,Yam, require inspections at these interevals, and is as timely to get to valve train, and other engine components. I know in time no matter what I choose, I'll be working on my own ride.
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First post - read the post regarding the new GT. After the LT I thought that the new GT may be the new bike for us. No so, I found it uncomfortable (so did my wife - and she said so!), too much wind buffeting. Performance was great, handling and brakes great but I could not see myself riding that for 800 klms. I found the FJR a better ride.

Also tried a 1200GS - that tempts me and strange no complaints from the back seat.
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Wow; That's interesting; I found this effect just opposite. I Demo'd the 06 FJR today and found it ride like a sports bike w/ bags. somewhat jumpy, and less wind protection. I rode several miles in traffic in air temps of 68deg., and my lower legs got uncomfortably HOT, similar to the ST1300. There heat fairing mods just vented the heat to the lower areas where as before was on the whole leg. After the FJR demo, just down the road was the BMW dealer, and redemo'd the K/GT, and ran the same route as the FJR and noticed very little to no heat in the same lower area. Felt very comfortable, and w/ similar performance as the FJR.
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Holy Smokes! Did someone say it take 7 HOURS of labor to get to the valve train on a new GT???? I must assume this is endemic to all of the new K bikes?
This is progress????
I need to verify that number, if true, I think that pretty much ends all contemplation of getting a new K bike right there for me.

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Holy Smokes! Did someone say it take 7 HOURS of labor to get to the valve train on a new GT???? I must assume this is endemic to all of the new K bikes?
This is progress????
I need to verify that number, if true, I think that pretty much ends all contemplation of getting a new K bike right there for me.
Thats what I said and Im sticking to it. The Master Tech at the dealer told me this as I told him I was considering a new GT.....Im not considering one anymore.


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the new K/gt gets valve inspection at 12K mi (7 hrs labor just to get in there). Seems to me BMW just copied the Japanese motors for the new GT plant. I am impressed with the bike, but dont like the ramifications of trying to do the work myself. Looks like a new Connie may be the ticket.

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Your valve inspection "facts" regarding the new GT are a little blurry. Also, sounds to me like you don't understand the architecture of the Connie14's powerplant. It's based off the ZX-14, and it's no joy to work on. Do your homework before letting the above paragraph be your deciding factor.
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Thats what I said and Im sticking to it. The Master Tech at the dealer told me this as I told him I was considering a new GT.....Im not considering one anymore.
That's what you get for going to that joke of a dealer that I warned you about.
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That joke of a dealer just offered me a GT for 200 bux over COST......

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Your valve inspection "facts" regarding the new GT are a little blurry. Also, sounds to me like you don't understand the architecture of the Connie14's powerplant. It's based off the ZX-14, and it's no joy to work on. Do your homework before letting the above paragraph be your deciding factor.

The difference is dollars...not the plant. Although the Connies plant is an already proven entity.


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That joke of a dealer just offered me a GT for 200 bux over COST......
Yep, that sounds like them. Good luck getting one cheaper than I did though.


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Although the Connies plant is an already proven entity.
A "proven entity"?! The ZX-14's been out for all of 12 months. And though the ZX-14's motor is based off the ZX-12, I'd hardly call the Connie14 a proven entity in any way, shape, or form.

FWIW, my new GT has already given me 12K painless, trouble-free miles.
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FWIW, my new GT has already given me 12K painless, trouble-free miles.
Do you mean you haven't been riding since last night???

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Do you mean you haven't been riding since last night???
Today was a "no ride" day. Too much gear to haul around.
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Yep, that sounds like them. Good luck getting one cheaper than I did though.


A "proven entity"?! The ZX-14's been out for all of 12 months. And though the ZX-14's motor is based off the ZX-12, I'd hardly call the Connie14 a proven entity in any way, shape, or form.

FWIW, my new GT has already given me 12K painless, trouble-free miles.

Glad to hear all is well with the GT, however, I cant imagine getting one for less than dealer cost, unless theres something Im missing. And as for my dealer, they have bent over backwards (and sometimes forwards) for me. I havent had issue 1 with them. The bike I bought from them has been hassle-free, price has never been an issue-either below dealer cost (my LT was 18K out the door) or right at dealer cost. I always get same day service. Parts are heavily discounted and theyre local. Whats not to like?

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Glad to hear all is well with the GT, however, I cant imagine getting one for less than dealer cost, unless theres something Im missing. And as for my dealer, they have bent over backwards (and sometimes forwards) for me. I havent had issue 1 with them. The bike I bought from them has been hassle-free, price has never been an issue-either below dealer cost (my LT was 18K out the door) or right at dealer cost. I always get same day service. Parts are heavily discounted and theyre local. Whats not to like?

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Wow; That's interesting; I found this effect just opposite. I Demo'd the 06 FJR today and found it ride like a sports bike w/ bags. somewhat jumpy, and less wind protection. I rode several miles in traffic in air temps of 68deg., and my lower legs got uncomfortably HOT, similar to the ST1300. There heat fairing mods just vented the heat to the lower areas where as before was on the whole leg. After the FJR demo, just down the road was the BMW dealer, and redemo'd the K/GT, and ran the same route as the FJR and noticed very little to no heat in the same lower area. Felt very comfortable, and w/ similar performance as the FJR.
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Holy Smokes! Did someone say it take 7 HOURS of labor to get to the valve train on a new GT???? I must assume this is endemic to all of the new K bikes?
This is progress????
I need to verify that number, if true, I think that pretty much ends all contemplation of getting a new K bike right there for me.
According to the Ducati-Augusta dealer I visited this weekend, the MV Augusta F4-1000 requires 8 hours of labor to adjust the valves. So the BMW is in good company. I presume the motor needs to be dropped in order to get to the top of the heads?

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Plastic, radiator, gas tank, air box, and this isn't in the repair manual, but my dealer says the engine needs to be tilted. To refill the radiator, a vacuum needs to be introduced into the system first, a special tool is needed to remove the caps over the plug and a special tool is needed during cam removal.

This is all new stuff. The LT used to be scary, as this one is now. Someone will figure it out. Prolly not me, as I feel as sharp as a bag of wet mice after reading the shop manual
Seems to be more fuel for the fire.....a kick ass ride nonetheless.


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[QUOTE=HowardRichman]Well; I went to the BMW dealer today again just before demo day (cause of rain that day); Tested the K1200S w/ risers, and the R1200RT. K/S; very nice, but not a GT, and insurance is too high on K/S. /[QUOTE]

Talk to your agent and see if he has access to Dairyland, they ALL BMW's even the K/S and K/R in Touring category. My 2005 K/S is cheaper to insure alone than my LT was.

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