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Anybody like Ducatis?

I am thinking of getting something to keep my LT company and came upon this at a good price. It is a 2000 ST4, has 9500 miles and no maintenance done so that part is overdue (timing belts, valve check, fluids, tires, etc.). Could be a good winter project and would compliment the LT come spring. Any opinions?
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That's a good looking bike. I know very little about them but I do like them. Steve
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That's a good looking bike. I know very little about them but I do like them. Steve
Thanks Steve. I am only thinking about it at this point but have been reading up on them and downloaded the service manual. The 7500 mile service costs $1200 at the stealership but I am sure I can tackle it myself - that's half the fun! Valve adjustment is about the only complicated part - there are rocker arms for both opening and also closing each valve. The 916cc engine in this sport tourer (emphasis on sport) is de-tuned for better low end torque. Nice thing is it weighs only 450 lbs. and is easier to flat-foot than my LT, but no way near as comfy or smooth.

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I've admired the ST Ducatis for years and considered adding a used one to my garage (I also really like the Aprilia Futura and have watched the used prices on them). In my past research, though, I had decided it would be an ST4s, rather than the ST4. You get significant upgrades in engine (996 vs. 916) and suspension (Ohlins; aluminum swing arm) with the "s" and at used values, you don't pay a lot for the upgrades.

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Nice looking bike.
I didn't like the sound of the dry clutch when I had them going back and forth at the MotoGP race in Austin. From what I hear they are great bikes.
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Thanks for the replies. Last Saturday I went in to the bike dealership to ride it but due to a dead battery all we could do is jump it off another battery and run it in neutral on the center stand in the showroom. The dry clutch does seem noisier than I am used to, but when you pull in the clutch lever it quiets down. It must be due to the 4 clutch plates and pressure plates all sandwiched together. This one has a solid clutch housing but a lot of pictures I've seen have an open clutch cage which must really make a racket. The dealer is putting new tires on it today & I'll go ride it tomorrow. If it runs as good as it sounded in the showroom and it doesn't scare the bejezus out of me, I'll probably pull the trigger.

Powwow - Regarding ST4 vs. ST4s, I hear you but even after I do all the required maintenance I'll still be thousands ahead of the cheapest 4s I found and it's lower miles & about 400 miles closer. Plus I don't think I'll need the extra 20 HP of the 4s.

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I purchased my ST4s new in 2003 and it is still my favorite bike. Power, weight, handling, comfort are all excellent for me. I did add a Sargent seat and a Ducati Performance kit but since then I just ride, ride, ride.

There have been several very good deals on ST4s bikes on the Ducati.ms site recently.

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Ducati motorcycles have that distinctive dry clutch rattle. It is a characteristic of the bikes.

I used to hang out at the local Ducati dealer frequently, but never pulled the trigger to buy one. When they are running, Ducati motorcycles are great fun. What turned me off was the vast fleet of Ducati motorcycles parked behind the dealer's service area waiting for service. No other brand dealer in my local area (Honda, BMW, Harley, ...) had anything close to it in numbers of bikes that needed repair.
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I love that Tricolore paint combination. Very nice.

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Nice looking bike! Thanks for the responses.

Well last Saturday it was a sunny crisp fall day - temps right about 50F, so I went & rode the bike. I towed a utility trailer the 100 miles I was so sure I'd be coming home with it. The dealer had put a new front tire on it before I got there. My impression:

First off, these bikes like to be warmed up for about 15 minutes and man, was it loud - sure to piss off the neighbors. So then I took off, initially in fairly heavy traffic as I got acclimated to the controls and feel of the bike. The clutch behaved well - easy to modulate and not grabby, but I was expecting a bit more low end torque - without revving to at least 4k it would bog down and I stalled it once. The bike was not in good tune which may have been part of that. Also, I didn't wear ear plugs - big mistake. The noise up to about 50-60 MPH was ear splitting - my ears were ringing like I was at a rock concert. Not good. I don't know if it had aa aftermarket exhaust - can anyone tell from the photo in the 1st post? It did have a Corbin seat, I liked it.

After a few miles I turned onto a secondary road with lots of sweepers where I could pick up the pace - the bike came into it's own above 70-80 MPH and keeping the revs above 7k. Handling was superb. Once I reached that speed the engine noise was behind me and all I heard was the wind whistling through due to the minimal wind protection. There was some stutter / hesitation at about 1/2 throttle but would clear when I opened it up - probably the poor state of tune. By the time I was heading back to the shop after about 30 minutes my wrists were starting to ache due to the forward stance. Final verdict - I passed. I think I'm getting too old for this kind of bike. I gave my LT a hug when I got home.

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