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Who's ridden into Mexico???

Hey gang! Dean has a few surprise days off and we're looking at a long trip and considering riding into Baja - possibly Copper Canyon region. A few questions:

1. Is it safe for a man and woman to ride there, just the two of us?

2. Are there paved roads through the Copper Canyon region?

3. Recommended eats/sleeps?

4. Any other considerations I might not think to consider?

TIA!
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I have never ridden there so am no help with that, but from my experience going into Canada, make sure you have insurance coverage by contacting your agent. For us in NY we need a special rider for the time we will be there.

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Insurance!!!

Before entering Mexico make sure you have insurance. Check with your agent and verify that you are covered while in Mexico as many policies do not protect you in Mexico.
Also your medical coverage from work will not cover you in Mexico so plan accordingly as well (how do you spell i.n.s.u.r.a.n.c.e???).
I was in Cabo a couple of weeks ago and was wondering about the same issue you brought up.
For what I heard there try not to ride at night; too many animals crossing.
The roads in the South of Baja are getting much better than they used to be, thanks in great part to tourism. Not sure what roads are like further North to the border.
If you plan on traveling after Jan 1, 2077 you will need a passport. Until then a birth certificate is OK
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Just don't do it. Why support a corrupt third world hellhole, and take the risk you could be robbed, have money extorted from you, or thrown in jail? And that's from the law, the criminals are even worse!

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Just don't do it. Why support a corrupt third world hellhole, and take the risk you could be robbed, have money extorted from you, or thrown in jail? And that's from the law, the criminals are even worse!
Wow Hagar...! Please tell us what happened to you there. Inquiring minds want to know.

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Hey gang! Dean has a few surprise days off and we're looking at a long trip and considering riding into Baja - possibly Copper Canyon region. A few questions:

1. Is it safe for a man and woman to ride there, just the two of us?

2. Are there paved roads through the Copper Canyon region?

3. Recommended eats/sleeps?

4. Any other considerations I might not think to consider?

TIA!
I spent two weeks in Baja and the Copper Canyon area last October and I'm going back in a few weeks for the HU meeting in Creel.

The highways from Texas and Arizona down to Creel (the main town in the Copper Canyon Region) are all paved. There is a Best Western and a few other motels and campgrounds.

Many of the roads in MX are not paved, but you should be able to see plenty of good stuff on an LT.

You will need passports now and be sure to buy Mexican Insurance for the bike online before you go (this is required) Also, medical insurance with provisions for emergency flights home are a good idea.

Check out this site for some great tips on traveling out of the Country and if you are going to be in Creel the second week of October be sure to sign up for the HU meeting. - http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/

Here's the link for the Creel Meeting - http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/mee...Mexico2006.php

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Sounds like Ted's response summed everything up for your trip. I have ridden in Mexico a lot over the past many years with no problems and heading back next month for another ride.

As soon as you drive across most popular boarder crossings, you will see insurance booths that you can get insurance.

If you ever want a really good destination for a dual sport ride, Mike's Sky Ranch is always a great spot.
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OK, first, Copper Canyon is on the "mainland". Baja is... well, Baja. Different area.

You MUST be insured. If not, and there is an accidente you will go to jail.

Period.

Mex operates under Napoleonic law which basically means guilty till proven innocent. Especially if you're a White NorteAmericano.

The Insurance kiosks at the border only sell liability Ins. If you want to insure your bike for theft in Mex. you need to buy that from a real Insurance guy ahead of time.
I use this service

www.discoverbaja.com

and have been treated well. The GE Seguros Ins. that I had paid in full, on time (well, mex. time) for the GS I totalled down there last year.

Depending on how far south you want to go you will also need a tourist card. Those are available at the border for $26 IIRC.

Safety... You're in a third world foreign country. By all local standards you are fabulously wealthy. Behave accordingly. I carry a "drop" wallet with an expired D/L, and $40 U.S. My Real money I keep elsewhere.

Currently a passport OR a birth cert. will get you back into the states. I've never been asked to produce papers at the border on a bike. Only when traveling by air from Mex.

There has been some recent anti Gringo activity in Baja Norte. Google Baja message boards for more info.
That being said... I feel safer in Baja than I do in L.A.

As said above, don't ride after dark... ever. All of Baja is open range, also 80% of the accidents in Baja are alchohol related, most are after dark. Lots of drinking on weekend afternoons also. Be advised.

Besides that, Mex. ROCKS! Great folks great roads!


OBTW, Tope, or Reductor de Velocidad is a speed bump. You find them in every village you pass thru.

Curva Peligrosa means dangerous curve. You can judge how dangerous by the amount of skid marks at the apex...

Don't ever assume the pavement lasts farther than you can see!

Have fun!
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Just don't do it. Why support a corrupt third world hellhole, and take the risk you could be robbed, have money extorted from you, or thrown in jail? And that's from the law, the criminals are even worse!

You don't get out much...do you?
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Wow Hagar...! Please tell us what happened to you there. Inquiring minds want to know.
Not me personally. I lived in Arizona for 14 years and enough of my friends had problems there that I decided to stay far away from it. News were always full of people getting arrested or harassed there. Went to Nogales once (too many), Cancun once and would never go there again. And as a white non US citizen I would be screwed if I got in trouble there since neither the US or my home country would care a darn.

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Besides that, Mex. ROCKS! Great folks great roads!

Don't ever assume the pavement lasts farther than you can see!

Have fun!
Thanks for the response - We've kinda decided to stay in the US for this trip, mostly because of the short notice we have - leaving in 3 days. We're thinking left coast north until it's time to turn around. I'm like you, I LOVE Mexico, so we're going to figure out a better time frame to go. What I really need to do is get me a KLR and learn how to ride the darned thing, THEN head south. Sounds like the good stuff is on the dirt roads. Thanks again, Keith.

To all you kind gentlemen who responded, THANKS! Hagar, sorry to hear your MX experiences were sorely lacking...
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Check out this thread. It may be more what you're looking for.

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Check out this thread. It may be more what you're looking for.

More info here.

Thanks for the link - too bad our timing is off, that sounds like a great trip! A bit pricey for two, but a great trip nonetheless. (BMW rider=cheap, right? ) Are you going?
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Just don't do it. Why support a corrupt third world hellhole, and take the risk you could be robbed, have money extorted from you, or thrown in jail? And that's from the law, the criminals are even worse!
Yup, you are so right! One of the most corrupt places on Earth.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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Yup, you are so right! One of the most corrupt places on Earth.


OMG! This from a guy who lives in Lancaster/Van Nuys!
Awww stop it, yer killin' me!

I'd live in a cardboard box on the beach in Mulege before I'd live in VN.

When's the last time you were actually in Mex?
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Yup, you are so right! One of the most corrupt places on Earth.
That is a very "broad" statement.
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OMG! This from a guy who lives in Lancaster/Van Nuys!
Awww stop it, yer killin' me!

I'd live in a cardboard box on the beach in Mulege before I'd live in VN.

When's the last time you were actually in Mex?
Two weeks ago! But, does that make a difference?!

Actually, I live in a cardboard box in Van Nuys. I hope that doesn't make me a bad person!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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I'm with the guys who say don't do it, it's not worth the many risks. I live all the way up in New Jersey and I also know too many people who've had problems. My wife and I were on a cruise that stopped there, and she was grabbed and the guy tried to attack her. This happened during the day inside a store! Myself and another cruise passenger chsaed him off and we were then blocked from going any further by a couple of other goons. There was nothing else we could have done, because if you call the police, there'll be 10 witnesses against you and you'll be arrested, not the local person.

A friend, a deputy chief of police I worked with was on vacation and was driving a rental car. He was completely stopped, and some drunk local plowed his car into him. When the police arrived, 10 people suddenly came out of nowhere and wanted to be a witness, claiming the American was at fault. He was arrested and placed in a jail cell. Whatever cash he had on him was counted, and coincidentally, that was the exact amount of his "fine". He refused to pay and was left in the jail cell. During the night, one of the police oficers would enter his cell and take out his sidearm and point it to his head and pull the trigger. It went "click". Not wanting to trust his luck any longer, not knowing if there was a bullet in the chamber somewhere, or maybe the drunk local cop would forget the fact that he reloaded, he finally asked to pay the fine. He did, and was then released.

There's too many nice places to visit up North that it ain't worth the risk to you and your wife, IMO.
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While I have never taken a bike to Mexico, my wife and I spent a couple of years there on our boat. We traveled up the Sea of Cortez and down the mainland side. Visited large cities and small fishing villages. We spent many nights anchored in places with no one around but the local fishermen. Everytime we entered a place with a Port Captain, we had to interact with at least 3 government offices.

We rented a small house north of PV for a few months and drove thousands of miles in a car. Took the Copper Canyon train and got off in the middle and caught a ride in the back of a truck to a village at the bottom for a couple of days.

A number of posts in this thread are repeating things that people have heard, not from first hand experience. Although there are going to be problems in any country, never in all of this traveling did we ever feel threatened or abused. The people were friendly and helpful. I would go back to Mexico before I would travel to some of the places in Los Angeles.

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My ex mother in law has a condo on the beach in Rosarito,Mexico. We had nothing but problems usually with the cops shaking us down for money every time we went down ,which was quit often. On the way out of town coming back through Tiajuana several guys, some in uniforms some not form a check point, stop everyone and accuse them of driving drunk. Drag you off to the pokey with your wife and kids if you didn't pay the "Street Fine" Many times had to negotiate police check points with what looked like 13-14 year old boys holding AK-47s. They would rifle your stuff looking for weapons and impose "Taxes" on things they said are purchased in Mexico. One 4th of July two guys in blue jeans, police uniform shirts , hats and guns imposed a "Beach Camping Tax" Because we had a motor home. I can give you many more scenarios like this. They are corrupt,they are still in the "Bandit "mentality and it goes all the way to the top.Things have begun to improve in that area because the pressure the Sony movie studio in Rosarito has been putting on them financially. That is where Titanic, Deep Blue,part of Master and Commander and part of Pearl Harbor was shot. I would not take my wife on an LT ride down there. I would go with a group of guys(Ninjas,blackbelts and Green Beret types ). I like Mexico and the people but hate the Mexican government and all of it's agencies. If you don't speak Spanish and know your way around the areas you are going to, stay out until you do. Just my 2 cents amigo.

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That is a very "broad" statement.
Yes, it is. But, a very accurate one!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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My ex mother in law has a condo on the beach in Rosarito,Mexico. We had nothing but problems usually with the cops shaking us down for money every time we went down ,which was quit often. On the way out of town coming back through Tiajuana several guys, some in uniforms some not form a check point, stop everyone and accuse them of driving drunk. Drag you off to the pokey with your wife and kids if you didn't pay the "Street Fine" Many times had to negotiate police check points with what looked like 13-14 year old boys holding AK-47s. They would rifle your stuff looking for weapons and impose "Taxes" on things they said are purchased in Mexico. One 4th of July two guys in blue jeans, police uniform shirts , hats and guns imposed a "Beach Camping Tax" Because we had a motor home. I can give you many more scenarios like this. They are corrupt,they are still in the "Bandit "mentality and it goes all the way to the top.Things have begun to improve in that area because the pressure the Sony movie studio in Rosarito has been putting on them financially. That is where Titanic, Deep Blue,part of Master and Commander and part of Pearl Harbor was shot. I would not take my wife on an LT ride down there. I would go with a group of guys(Ninjas,blackbelts and Green Beret types ). I like Mexico and the people but hate the Mexican government and all of it's agencies. If you don't speak Spanish and know your way around the areas you are going to, stay out until you do. Just my 2 cents amigo.
Hey Tony,

My old lady is from Mexico so I am S/ of the border quite often (can't say that I enjoy it, however). Unfortunately, your stories are very common. "Check points" (give us your money) and "special taxes" (give us more money) are common--especially if the banditos (er, police) don't recognize you.

Being a LEO, I always keep several items of interest ("throw away wallet") for the local/federal policeman (such as police patches, etc.) I keep a smile on my face, strike up a friendly conversation, hand out some patches, and I'm on my way in no time!

As long as you know how to "negotiate" and have the "funds," Mexico is a beautiful country.

If the government could just reign in all the corruption, and return our fugitives more quickly, it would be a far more enjoyable place!

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