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Almost bought the big one this morning

I had a really close call this morning. I was commuting in the HOV lane on highway 85 in San Jose, moving with traffic about 70-75 mph. 4 lanes over the on ramp to highway 17 was backed up and stopped at the top of the 85 entrance. Some idiot plowed into the back of the last car at (my guess) around 50 mph, sending the victim car into the air and hundreds of pieces. the car that caused the accident then spun out from behind the victim car and proceeded to spin across 4 lanes of traffic, HEADING INTO MY LANE. I was watching this happen thinking, "Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit"! Then a different phrase started running - "Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go". I'm not sure if I accelerated but I think I did, and I aimed the bike for the last little edge of pavement on the paved shoulder before it turns into sand, gravel, and Armco barrier. As I went past the spinning car it was fully in my lane, was still spinning, and I missed it by about 2-3 feet as it came onto the shoulder. I stopped about 300 yards later and got off the bike, and it took about 5 minutes to stop shaking and get my breathing under control. This one was way too close.

It's only been about 90 minutes since it happened and I still feel a little freaked out, but if I could give any advice from this incident, here's what it would be -
  • Take the MSF courses, or some kind of street safety training, study it, learn it, practice it, and live it when your riding or driving.
  • Stay aware of what's happening on the road around you. I saw the accident happen, but didn't expect the car to come cartwheeling out of it like that. Expect the unexpected.
  • If you have a close call and are shaken, STOP, let yourself calm down, then get back on the road. My initial reaction was to keep going, but there was NO WAY I would have been able to operate the bike safely for those 5 or so minutes after this occurred.
And most of all, Just be careful out there.

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Wow buddy!!! Sure glad you came out of that one OK!!!
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Glad you are alright. After all, thats the most important. It was good thinking to stop and calm down.

When I ride I am a safer than when I drive (sad; I know). I allow a lot of room between me and others, stay more focused and always have an escape route in my head for something just as you described. So far I have only had a ladder fall off in front of me, but a 6 foot ladder bouncing down I-80 at 60mph was enough for me.
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Good on ya, Dave. Angels sometimes cut it close, don't they?? You gotta bell??
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Then a different phrase started running - "Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go".
Someone on the other side was with you....glad you were listenning!

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Glad you're okay, David. Thanks for sharing the experience and for your heady advice. Reminders like this are much needed, especially when ridin's good and you're thinking you've got everything under control. We just never know, do we???

Hope it never happens to you again and that others of us who may encounter similar a situation will respond with the same alertness and skill that you did. Great riding!!!

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Just take a deep breath

Just take a deep breath and try to put it out of your mind ASAP. Most importantly get on the bike and ride, ride, ride. I say this with some level of experience (as I'm sure do most of us here) with close calls. July 2, 2004 should have been my last day on earth. My wife and I, she on her bike, me on my 96 HD Ultra were tooling along a back road in N. Illinois at about 6pm, doing about 50mph. As we approached this curve to the left I saw a line of cars headed in the opposite direction then suddenly the rearmost car decided to pass the 2-3 other cars infront of him over a double yellow line at the curve. He was moving at least 80, was in my lane and there was no way either of us was going to stop in time. He was clearly going to plow head on into me and my wife. Couldn't go left because of the other cars and there was a ditch and a cornfield on the right. At the last possible moment this nimrod finally saw us and literally flew off the road into the cornfield as he cranked his steering wheel all the way left. I braked through the gravel he shot up as he first went sideways infront of me then got enough traction to shoot into the cornfield. The reason for relating this story is to tell you that I experienced probably what you are going through. A completely out of control heart rate, post-adrenaline dump shakes and I was jumpy for about a week. I briefly... very briefly... considered getting rid of the bike but didn't because I came to some realizations. 1) It wasn't my time (just like today wasn't yours) 2) I would have been just as dead if the guy had hit me if I had been in a car (as it sounds like you might have been) 3) Close encounters like this are part of the risks of riding a motorcycle though you think of them as happening to someone else. So if you enjoy your ride, why should you let someone else's poor driving affect you. I guess what I'm trying to say (and I know right now its easier said than done) is that you need to shake it off quickly before the jitters get ahold of you. BTW, I'm not a particularly religious guy, but sometimes it helps to think that there is a master plan and your part in it clearly was not completed. Anyway, get on your bike and hop on over to Wisconsin, well go for a ride and I'll show you where I almost bought it.

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David, Thank Heavens you were alert enough to squeeze out of the way in time! Just a reminder to all of us to stay alert because it can happen to any of us at any time.

Have a cool one or two once you get where you can slow down and chill!

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David, Thank Heavens you were alert enough to squeeze out of the way in time! Just a reminder to all of us to stay alert because it can happen to any of us at any time.

Have a cool one or two once you get where you can slow down and chill!

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I could use a cool one, but the beer fridge at work is empty!

And thanks to everyone for your supportive comments. While the topic isn't as fun as some of the ones we get to talk about (someone bring up oil or tires, quick!), it's still good to talk about this kind of stuff from time to time.

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Glad your ok!!!!!
To stop those shakes you needed to run back to the car and make sure the driver was ok,,, Then smash him in the face and tell him to have a good day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...........Regards Pete
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I could use a cool one, but the beer fridge at work is empty!

And thanks to everyone for your supportive comments. While the topic isn't as fun as some of the ones we get to talk about (someone bring up oil or tires, quick!), it's still good to talk about this kind of stuff from time to time.

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WOW!!! That's scary. Glad it worked out for ya.

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My hat's off to ya for keeping such a cool head in such a hairy situation! Great piece of riding.

Probably another tip from this would be to carry a spare pair of shorts in the bags. I know I woulda needed one!


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My hat's off to ya for keeping such a cool head in such a hairy situation! Great piece of riding.
I keep reading the part about "look where you want to go" and I know what to do but would I have done that? I would like to think so but I am not sure.

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Excellent post David, and glad you were not hurt, we had darn near the same thing happen to us, but the vehicle didn;t come in our lane it spun around at the last second and went off the other way, I wa s already heading for the side of the road which would have been bad in itself as about a 30 ft drop off there. this was last week, and to tell ya the truth i was still looking for one to do it yesterday again!

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I had a really close call this morning. I was commuting in the HOV lane on highway 85 in San Jose, moving with traffic about 70-75 mph. 4 lanes over the on ramp to highway 17 was backed up and stopped at the top of the 85 entrance. Some idiot plowed into the back of the last car at (my guess) around 50 mph, sending the victim car into the air and hundreds of pieces. the car that caused the accident then spun out from behind the victim car and proceeded to spin across 4 lanes of traffic, HEADING INTO MY LANE. I was watching this happen thinking, "Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit Oh shit"! Then a different phrase started running - "Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go". I'm not sure if I accelerated but I think I did, and I aimed the bike for the last little edge of pavement on the paved shoulder before it turns into sand, gravel, and Armco barrier. As I went past the spinning car it was fully in my lane, was still spinning, and I missed it by about 2-3 feet as it came onto the shoulder. I stopped about 300 yards later and got off the bike, and it took about 5 minutes to stop shaking and get my breathing under control. This one was way too close.

It's only been about 90 minutes since it happened and I still feel a little freaked out, but if I could give any advice from this incident, here's what it would be -
  • Take the MSF courses, or some kind of street safety training, study it, learn it, practice it, and live it when your riding or driving.
  • Stay aware of what's happening on the road around you. I saw the accident happen, but didn't expect the car to come cartwheeling out of it like that. Expect the unexpected.
  • If you have a close call and are shaken, STOP, let yourself calm down, then get back on the road. My initial reaction was to keep going, but there was NO WAY I would have been able to operate the bike safely for those 5 or so minutes after this occurred.
And most of all, Just be careful out there.

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Nice job getting out of that one. On a possibly related note, was Paul Tracy leaving San Jose from the GP this morning?

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I keep reading the part about "look where you want to go" and I know what to do but would I have done that? I would like to think so but I am not sure.
Exactly! That's why I repeat it to myself around every turn and lane change on the freeway and in the parking lot. I think it is one of the most important concepts to riding. It is certainly repeated in every course, book and video I've been exposed to. I crossed a wet metal drainage grate on my ride last Sat morning. How often have I read how to do this? It was in the middle of a turn and I went over it at an angle. Luckily it was only a couple of feet wide. My front tire slipped out violently, then grabbed, then the rear went, then grabbed back. I think I strained both muscles in my hips with my legs shooting out instinctively. I knew it was the wrong thing to do, but I'm still not reacting the way I should. Pulled over at the next turnout for a little R&R before continuing. Scary stuff when its not second nature yet and I can't count on my reactions to be correct.
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Good work David!!!

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Glad you made it out alright, and thanks for sharing the story. We all gotta remember that the unlikely can happen at any time and try to be as prepared as we can.

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I had a really close call this morning. I was commuting in the HOV lane on highway 85 in San Jose, moving with traffic about 70-75 mph. 4 lanes over the on ramp to highway 17 was backed up and stopped at the top of the 85 entrance. Some idiot plowed into the back of the last car at (my guess) around 50 mph, sending the victim car into the air and hundreds of pieces. the car that caused the accident then spun out from behind the victim car and proceeded to spin across 4 lanes of traffic, HEADING INTO MY LANE.
Glad all is OK.

I was in San Jose over the weekend for the Champ Car race. Was driving "The Bus" back to a friend/fans home and got stuck in that traffic jam. As I tooled by there I wondered if I had been on the bike what I would have done to avoid that.

If it were me, I'd be doing the laundry and cleaning the seats... you sir handled it very well!

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When I drove by the accident scene this morning on the way to work I checked it out a bit, just curious if things were really as close as they seemed to be "in the moment" yesterday ( knowing how these things plus adenaline can skew your perception a bit). Along with the various broken glass and car bits scattered on both sides of the freeway, the skid marks from the car that spun into my lane ended about a foot from the white line on the shoulder where I went past it. So things appear to have happened just about as closely as I perceived them yesterday, which is still pretty sobering and scary to think about. The good news is nobody tried to flatten me today!

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The good news is nobody tried to flatten me today!
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wow. I first looked at the title and thought you almost bought a Goldwing.....glad to hear that you escaped unharmed from a very likely accident.

you've got some great reactions and lessons for all of us to absorb.

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Damn, that's scary. Glad to hear that you're OK. Now, you have a legitimate reason for a new supply of underwear.

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I know the feeling.Two days ago my wife and I were riding our 1200LT. We aproached (55mph) a pick-up with boat attached stopped in the oncoming lane with signal on to cross in front of me. I was the only vehicle coming toward him. I know he saw me approaching because he was holding up two cars behind him.
Just as I reached the intersection he turned directly across my lane, boat and all. MSF training, hours of practice and ABS brakes all kicked in. With full brake on both front and rear I aimed for the rear of the boat thinking it was better to be thrown over the boat instead of into the truck. Fortunetly the truck kept moving and we missed the corner of the boat and stopped beside the cars in the other lane. After a few minutes we quit shaking and were able to continue on. Of course the truck never stopped. I will never buy anything without ABS.
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Glad you're still around to post about this David. I'm still recovering from my accident on Oct 7th. Getting hit ain't no fun

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Glad your ok

Glad your ok and the MSF training took over !!!!

Also good advice on the taking a few timeout minutes after.
Had something like that happen the last two summers and the adrenaline shake kicked in about 10 to 15 minutes after. (1 on bike and one on a 737-800)
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"Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go, Look where you want to go". I'm not sure if I accelerated but I think I did, and I aimed the bike for the last little edge of pavement on the paved shoulder before it turns into sand, gravel, and Armco barrier. As I went past the spinning car it was fully in my lane, was still spinning, and I missed it by about 2-3 feet as it came onto the shoulder. I stopped about 300 yards later and got off the bike, and it took about 5 minutes to stop shaking and get my breathing under control. This one was way too close.
Glad you made the gap.
Nice ride, TEXT BOOK,
Chances are if you had hit the brakes???
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Hell, I had to change my underwear just reading your story!!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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