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Question Biker or Motorcyclist

Where do you fit.
My entire life has been spent on two wheels, something has been changing as the calender of life flips over and again.
I always knew that there was more to motorcycling, than the hardcore lawless days of my youth had brought, but could not quite put my finger on it.
Why was I always drifting off, taking side trips that I didn't understand, riding impossible roads? As the miles passed in thousands, then hundreds of thousands
This quoted passage burned into my soul, as I evolve from a Biker into a Motorcyclist!
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"When you have crossed the most rugged and daunting peaks in utter darkness, while the heavens pour out their fury upon you and you grapple for control, the feeble ray of light before you barely visible;

When you have traversed the endless tracks of blistering deserts, the sands a roaring furnace all around, and the sun a burning torch above;

When you have prevailed upon the tortuous traces left by those who came before you, seeking to tame a wild land and forge a better life;

When you have stood alone in the vast and terrible chasms hewn and rent from living rock by the immutable forces of nature, and felt yourself so small as to disappear;

When you have merged in perfect union with a stunning, cloudless sky fueled by the fragrant wind alone, to follow the sinuous course of a thundering river to the mighty cataracts that form its source;

When you have felt the sublime and awesome hand of God in your everymove, and in your soul a communion with the ineffable;

When you have clasped in desperation the hand of a comrade who has fallen, his machine a twisted, steaming wreck, as the very life flows from his bosom and he becomes still in your arms, never again to draw breath;

When you have done all this, not once but again, and still again, and can yet gaze with wonder in the quiescence of deepest night upon the machine that was your accomplice, partner, and associate in all this;

When you have come to regard it in your inmost reflections as sinister and seductive, soulless and transcendent, ordinary and ennobled;

When you have done this, and yet thrill to the promise of the unrisen sun that will soon shine upon the hook and crook of a gnarled mountain trace, fully apprehending the machine’s propensity to deal death or exalt life then will you have become a motorcyclist."
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Thanks Rock. You're a motorcyclist. And under those tattoos and potty mouth, one heck of a nice guy. Can't wait to see ya again man. Take care.
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When you have stood alone in the vast and terrible chasms hewn and rent from living rock by the immutable forces of nature, and felt yourself so small as to disappear;

I had that "zen" moment one time when I broke down in the middle of the night on Interstate 70 in Kansas on a transcontinental run on my brand spanking new 1972 AMF Sportster. They really should have stuck to billiards and bowling.

I thought I was a biker. I thought I was a motorcyclist. I was a..... walker!

I always wonder why Dylan never wrote a motorcycle song. I mean, it damn near killed him....


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Nice post Rock,

Since the age of 7 when I first threw a leg over I wanted to be a Motorcyclist. At age nine I owned my first motorcycle and thought I was a Motorcyclist. After my first big accident I wondered, after seeing other riders lifeless on the side of the road I wondered.
After over half a million miles, 35+ years of riding, I don't wonder any more. I know somewhere along the way, I was what I wanted to become since age 7 - a Motorcyclist. Don't know just when it happened, I just know it didn't happen all at once. Now I wonder what I would ever do without motorcycling?

Bikers might be able to Talk the Talk but only a motorcyclist can Walk the Walk.

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...Bikers might be able to Talk the Talk but only a motorcyclist can Walk the Walk.
Good point, John. I'm not sure what "the walk" is (referring to motorcyclist v. biker), but I have 2 friends (both with Gold Wings) who have been riding for 40+ years. I've been riding since August '05 and have put 13k on my LT. Not bragging, just making up for lost time! My friends haven't put 1,300 miles on theirs. They won't ride when it's hot, or cold, or raining, or on the interstate (too much traffic), etc., or for long distances. They are both 59, so I'll give them that.

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Thanks Rock. You're a motorcyclist. And under those tattoos and potty mouth, one heck of a nice guy. Can't wait to see ya again man. Take care.
I spent the day with Rock (you were there Joe, at the Tech Session) and I didn't hear the potty mouth. I experienced Uncle Rock 2.0 -- the Choir Boy Sunday Best-Behavior version (his words).

And you're right: he is a heck of a nice guy. I just wish he'd change his avatar to show the rest of the world that he's not so... "gruff" ... in person. and I still haven't forgiven him for letting me install the Helmet Guardian the third time and THEN letting me know I left the license plate on the garage floor.

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When you have stood alone in the vast and terrible chasms hewn and rent from living rock by the immutable forces of nature, and felt yourself so small as to disappear;

I had that "zen" moment one time when I broke down in the middle of the night on Interstate 70 in Kansas on a transcontinental run on my brand spanking new 1972 AMF Sportster. They really should have stuck to billiards and bowling.

I thought I was a biker. I thought I was a motorcyclist. I was a..... walker!

I always wonder why Dylan never wrote a motorcycle song. I mean, it damn near killed him....
Great Post Rock.

Hey Ron, you weren't in Western Kansas by chance? Nothing but coyotes and the occasional farm house for miles.

"Lately it occurs to me, what a long strange trip it's been." Jerry Garcia
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Great Post Rock.

Hey Ron, you weren't in Western Kansas by chance? Nothing but coyotes and the occasional farm house for miles.


I seem to remember it was near Hayes. It was dark, cold and lonely - but I could see lights on the horizon and I just kept on walkin' and a walkin'. Glad I wasn't swimmin' or I'd surely be down with Davey Jones. Only an occasional semi would pass by... who would never stop to pick up a long haired leaping gnome.

There was a woman I longed for in Colorado.


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I seem to remember it was near Hayes. It was dark, cold and lonely - but I could see lights on the horizon and I just kept on walkin' and a walkin'. Glad I wasn't swimmin' or I'd surely be down with Davey Jones. Only an occasional semi would pass by... who would never stop to pick up a long haired leaping gnome.

There was a woman I longed for in Colorado.
Going West out of Hays is a lonely road, nothing till Denver. As I like to say: Hays is not the edge of civilization, but we can see it from here.

Ah, the things we do for lust, er love.

"Lately it occurs to me, what a long strange trip it's been." Jerry Garcia
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I still haven't forgiven him for letting me install the Helmet Guardian the third time and THEN letting me know I left the license plate on the garage floor.
You think thats bad Hey Joe should I tell him where those extra washer came from?
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Where do you fit.
My entire life has been spent on two wheels, something has been changing as the calender of life flips over and again.
I always knew that there was more to motorcycling, than the hardcore lawless days of my youth had brought, but could not quite put my finger on it.
Actually a pretty good wrtie ain't it, the day came and went then we knew were a motorcyclist. Kind of Ironic in a way, the thing that makes the heart tick the blood flow and the body yearn for more.

To bad folks just don't know the motorcycle is not just a motorcycle but part of life itself to the true motorcylists.

Not sure how many miles I have under me, but I'm sure I'm getting close to the big 1m mile mark. Sometimes I miss the simple heart and soul of my Harley's and the friends I traveled and partied hard with. now I just want to ride don't care where the trip takes me.

BTW today they are called "insta - bikers"

yea your gettin old too!

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"There was a woman I longed for in Colorado."

Ah yes....The things we do for lust!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Some really OLD friggin' White dude who couldn't have possibly known what he was talking about!) WARNING: Official HATE speech!
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Kind of Ironic in a way, the thing that makes the heart tick the blood flow and the body yearn for more.

To bad folks just don't know the motorcycle is not just a motorcycle but part of life itself to the true motorcylists.

Not sure how many miles I have under me, but I'm sure I'm getting close to the big 1m mile mark.. now I just want to ride don't care where the trip takes me.

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I can second all of that, people never could understand how I was so excited to leave a rally and go home. I tried to explain that it was not the destination, it was little moments in the timeline of my life that i would have forever.
Then I could see they had the blank stare of a man just asked by his woman "don't you understand my feelings" that they weren't getting it.
I tell them put their sled on the trailer, I'll see them round sometime. They take off in an air conditioned prison cell, from their air-conditioned hotel room, back to the mundane exsistance they call life.
As the road rises to meet the wheel, the speed increases, the cares about future and past all drop away, as I live this moment of my life.
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I don't fit either "lifestyle" definition of motorcyclist/biker precisely... nor do I think either can contain any of us. The "Motorcyclist" definition does seem to fit best...

Rather than wax phylosophical, I'm glad to see motorcycling's "image" is "improving" in so many ways. This board is usually a good example of this change... then I post something.

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Peace, Y'all... and BIKE ON!...er... Motrcycle ON!

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I can second all of that, people never could understand how I was so excited to leave a rally and go home. I tried to explain that it was not the destination, it was little moments in the timeline of my life that i would have forever.
Then I could see they had the blank stare of a man just asked by his woman "don't you understand my feelings" that they weren't getting it.
I tell them put their sled on the trailer, I'll see them round sometime. They take off in an air conditioned prison cell, from their air-conditioned hotel room, back to the mundane exsistance they call life.
As the road rises to meet the wheel, the speed increases, the cares about future and past all drop away, as I live this moment of my life.
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You waxed pretty poetic there Rock.

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You think thats bad Hey Joe should I tell him where those extra washer came from?
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You bastidge! You're gonna pay for that. Now I'm going to lay awake all night and finally go to the garage at 2:00 a.m., remove the infamous Helmet Guardian and look for someplace where a washer should be.

That would make HG install #5.

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"...thrill to the promise of the unrisen sun..."
Awesome post, Rock. God willing, the sun will rise to offer many more opportunities for many more miles for all of us. Call us what you want, just give us a throttle, a great two wheeler and lots of pavement.

A printed version of this may make it's way into my topcase. My Canyon Red "accomplice, partner, and associate" can't read, but she'll be gushing, knowing she's valued so highly.

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Sweet, Rock!

I just returned yesterday from a 2500 mile trip, over 8 days, to Colorado from San Antonio and I experienced all of the necessary situations but one (and I hope to never hold a friend as he leaves this world) in that short time!

I started ridng when I was 14 but I've never considered myself a biker, nor until I got serious about riding, a motorcyclist. But somewhere along the way, maybe when I had accumulated a garage full of bikes (down to four now,) I believe I became a motorcyclist. I commute to work and am known by the folks there as "the guy who rides to work." Oh, there are a few other bikes in the lot from time to time but I'm the one who is expected to be on a bike on a daily basis, rain or shine, hot or cold. Ride to Work day in July (coming up soon) is just another day for me.

And being 59 is no excuse (I'm 62)!

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Great post Rock. I always identify as a Motorcyclist. To me *biker* has always said more about the life off the bike. My identity comes ON the bike.

I've tried to no avail to explain what the hours alone in the saddle do to my head. I ride primarily in the west. On a small lonely two lane it doesn't take a lot of imagination to squint a little, let the fences blur out of focus and imagine the land without that single line of asphalt. I soak up the vistas as a sponge absorbs water. The empty spaces themselves fill me with their nothingness.
When someone comments on the miles covered they usually say "Wow, you don't stop to see anything!"

No... I see *everything*.
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--------------I soak up the vistas as a sponge absorbs water. The empty spaces themselves fill me with their nothingness.
When someone comments on the miles covered they usually say "Wow, you don't stop to see anything!"

No... I see *everything*.
Well said Keith. When people would question me on the LD rides, I would just tell them that "I have seen much of the USA, briefly, how much have you seen?" I loved seeing so many different areas and landscapes, but sitting at any one point staring for more than the few minutes I did would not have made the experience any better. I have always been one to get bored quickly.

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Thanks guys, I love the west, and riding all over it. I just got back from the east, pretty in it's own right, but not like the wide open spaces that fill my heart.
Sometimes the magic in music is found not in the notes... but in the spaces between the notes. Such is the west for me. Monument Valley is as much about the sky between the pillars as in the stones themselves. Grand Canyon is as much about the void in space as the walls around it.
I just saw both yesterday from 30,000 ft. I had a grin the rest of the way into San Diego from the memories of being down there on the LT. I could faintly trace the roads curves across that giant space.
How lucky we are to have our little ground level rockets to ride across the plains. My machine that let me start the day with the Elk, watching the sunrise illuminate the Tetons and end the day with the Lizards admiring the sunset searing the red rock of the Painted Desert.

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Great post Rock. I always identify as a Motorcyclist. To me *biker* has always said more about the life off the bike. My identity comes ON the bike.

the hours alone in the saddle do to my head--- let the fences blur out of focus--- The empty spaces themselves fill me with their nothingness.


No... I see *everything*.
After the loss of both parents, bankrupcy, divorce (from a woman he gave up motorcycles for) and losing his business. My brother asked me to take one of my bikes, sure take whatever you like. He took my 93" Panhead Stroker, (not for the faint of heart)
Most times the phone ringing at 3:30 am is bad news, It's my brother.
"I'm out in the Badlands, haven't seen another person or even a light for hours. I know it's late back home but I found what was lost and needed to let you know. No one else would understand."
Alone with his machine, in the Darkness of the Badlands, he found Himself
Turned his whole life around, he came home (6 weeks later, after calling for money twice) put his life back together.
Bike have anything to do with it?
Naw it's just a machine
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Nice post kinda zen like, but I am neither a biker or a motorcyclist. I am Richard and I ride an LT
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I'm just a dog...long as there is wind in my face, I'm a happy guy

I don't know how else to explain it, no matter what you call it.

Motorbiker, Mountainbiker...makes no diff to me, long as the wind is moving!

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After the loss of both parents, bankruptcy, divorce (from a woman he gave up motorcycles for) and losing his business....

Most times the phone ringing at 3:30 am is bad news--it's my brother.
"I'm out in the Badlands, haven't seen another person or even a light for hours. I know it's late back home but I found what was lost and needed to let you know. No one else would understand."

Alone with his machine, in the darkness of the Badlands, he found himself;
turned his whole life around. He came home (6 weeks later, after calling for money twice) put his life back together.



It's funny how we sometimes have to experience the lowest valley to learn how to scale, and appreciate, the highest peaks.

I would tell a man to never give up what he loves to do for anybody--including riding his M/C!

Best of luck to your brother, Rock.

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Maybe it was the first day of motorcycle ownership when an old lady ran me into the ditch and I came up upright on the other side
or,
My first enduro , 110 miles around Lake Kentucy in the rain with two big balls of ductape holding the swingarm on for the whole race
or,
The first time I stood on the podium with a 1st place motocross trophy
or,
It could have been on one of many daze riding down the interstate wondering should I pull in or catch a few more miles before I sleep.
I'm not sure when it was but there was never any doubt.
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