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Motorcyclist struck and killed by lightning

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post #2 of 28 Old Jun 22nd, 2006, 8:56 am
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Well, I certainly am glad they mentioned in the article that the rider was wearing a helmet!

I don't think it would make too much difference when a lightning bolt hits you, tho.....
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This is becoming more and more common. It's got me pulling over for the first time this year. I used to ride right through the crap. Now, I'm thinking twice.
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I think it was just last year when another unlucky soul got hammered in Rocky Mountain National Park - just a few miles away up the hill...

I see guys playing golf ALL the time in Colorado with thunderstorms in the area. Nothing like waving a 3 foot metal pole in the air to attract attention.

I understand that lightening likes a blunt surface better than a point for grounding.


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Actualy, the electrical field strength is lowest on a blunt surface. This is why lightning rods are pointed. You want the lightning to strike the rod so it will be discharged safely into the ground.
I for one will certainly be much more aware of riding in thunder storms.

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I wonder what time this occured. I was zipping down I-25 right by there yesterday. I did see a guy on a RT about 4:30. Hopefully it was not him.
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What a way to go! One minute enjoying the commute on your scoot, the next wake up in the presence of the Almighty.

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I think it was just last year when another unlucky soul got hammered in Rocky Mountain National Park - just a few miles away up the hill...

I see guys playing golf ALL the time in Colorado with thunderstorms in the area. Nothing like waving a 3 foot metal pole in the air to attract attention.

I understand that lightening likes a blunt surface better than a point for grounding.
I think it was Jack Nicklaus who, when told a thunderstorm was immenent, said he wasn't worried about it and proceeded to wave a club around in the air declaring "not even god can hit a 1-iron!".
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post #9 of 28 Old Jun 22nd, 2006, 9:50 am
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ha

i figure if you are riding down the road and get hit by lightening....its your time.....

kinda like an uncle i had who was driving through cherokee north carolina at about 30 mph when a huge oak tree fell off a hill above the road and smashed his truck into the ground.....

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This article is even better!



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Weird how they measure bike distance in meters and the crater in inches. I thought we were still in feet, yards, all that different stuff.


and you GT riders needin' worry. I hear those bikes are too fast and sleek for lightning....

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Actualy, the electrical field strength is lowest on a blunt surface. This is why lightning rods are pointed. You want the lightning to strike the rod so it will be discharged safely into the ground.
I for one will certainly be much more aware of riding in thunder storms.
I could be wrong (it happened once a long time ago ) but isn't the purpose of a lightning rod to discharge the buildup to ground to prevent the lightning strike? I think if lightning did strike a lightning rod it would pretty much fry it.

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I think it was Jack Nicklaus who, when told a thunderstorm was immenent, said he wasn't worried about it and proceeded to wave a club around in the air declaring "not even god can hit a 1-iron!".
I thought it was Lee Trevino.

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Before Rock says it...

I'll add this: What we need is a federal law requiring lighting rods on our mandatory m/c helmets, with a portable field generator/dissipator on the back of each and every motorcycle -- retroactive to all bikes ever made. These death-by-lightning tragedies must stop.

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I thought it was Lee Trevino.
I'm not really sure...that was from memory. Someone here thinks it was a 2-iron

But, on the serious side...I also recall reading that you should get to safety if you can see lightning (even distant flashes) or hear thunder. A stoke of lightning travels for miles, depending on the electrical charges at work.

As for the lightning rod, it is meant to attract the lightning stroke to itself to keep it from hitting a building directly. The building is already grounded, which is what the lightning is attracted to. Use of a lightning rod has to be VERY carefully planned...they were very popular when they were first invented and many a barn was burned down because they attracted the lightning but couldn't effectively shunt the current to the earth and POOF, there goes the barn!
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I'll add this: What we need is a federal law requiring lighting rods on our mandatory m/c helmets, with a portable field generator/dissipator on the back of each and every motorcycle -- retroactive to all bikes ever made. These death-by-lightning tragedies must stop.

I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.
Please don't get me started, I've had my rant-fest, my tongue is already bleeding from all the times I've bitten it after reading some of the recent threads. Must resist, must resist, stop typing now...hit send....arrrrghh!
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Please don't get me started, I've had my rant-fest, my tongue is already bleeding from all the times I've bitten it after reading some of the recent threads. Must resist, must resist, stop typing now...hit send....arrrrghh!
Understood, Ron. I meant my reply in total HUMOR and don't want to reopen that already-open can of worms (the thread is still ongoing). It was meant to lighten that topic up a little.

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Understood, Ron. I meant my reply in total HUMOR and don't want to reopen that already-open can of worms (the thread is still ongoing). It was meant to lighten that topic up a little.
Got it...I'm trying to be a good boy (for a few minutes). Actually I thought your post was pretty funny
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Got it...I'm trying to be a good boy (for a few minutes). Actually I thought your post was pretty funny
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I could be wrong (it happened once a long time ago ) but isn't the purpose of a lightning rod to discharge the buildup to ground to prevent the lightning strike? I think if lightning did strike a lightning rod it would pretty much fry it.
Nope, didn't happen again.

You're right. That's why the points - allow charge to 'bleed' off easier so there's no build up of voltage.

For some excellent info on grounding, lighting/RF protection, corrosion prevention and more - check out: http://www.polyphaser.com/ppc_ptd_home.aspx Even an article specific to us ham types

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I think the line about God hitting a 1 iron is a myth. I know for a fact the Lee Trevino was hit twice while playing in tournaments, actually saw it on TV the first time. First sound of thunder now and he runs for cover.

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I think the line about God hitting a 1 iron is a myth. I know for a fact the Lee Trevino was hit twice while playing in tournaments, actually saw it on TV the first time. First sound of thunder now and he runs for cover.
Details, details, details...hehehe...
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I think the line about God hitting a 1 iron is a myth. I know for a fact the Lee Trevino was hit twice while playing in tournaments, actually saw it on TV the first time. First sound of thunder now and he runs for cover.
Maybe God was proving him wrong? hehe

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Lightning Strikes Motorcyclist?

I thought that was this safety device was for.
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Don't matter whether you are riding your MC or sweet talking your spouse, when the boss pulls the plug, you're done.

I have a friend who was struck while sitting in his home, 10 feet from any wall. Lightning came in the window, shattering it.. he has this gray streak of hair now, left to right acrosss his skull... he's always smiling.. sez.. "I know I've been given a second chance."

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Actualy, the electrical field strength is lowest on a blunt surface. This is why lightning rods are pointed. You want the lightning to strike the rod so it will be discharged safely into the ground.
I for one will certainly be much more aware of riding in thunder storms.

Researchers find that blunt lightning rods work best

WASHINGTON (AP) Among Benjamin Franklin's famous accomplishments was inventing the lightning rod. However, a new study says his design was flawed and the rods work better if they are blunt-tipped instead of being sharp.

Researchers in New Mexico tested both types of lightning rods, along with some new devices called "early streamer emitters", which manufacturers claim are even better than the rods at attracting lightning.

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Rods with blunt, rounded ends worked best, the scientists report in the May 15. 2000 issue of Geophysical Research Letters. In fact, when they left rods with various tips on the 12,000-foot summit of South Baldy Peak in the Magdalena mountains of central New Mexico, the blunt tipped rods were the only ones that managed to attract lightning.

The research team from the Langmuir Laboratory for Atmospheric Research at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology was led by now-retired professor Charles B. Moore.

Franklin based his lightning rod on the discovery that electrified objects could be discharged by approaching them with a metal needle.

At first, he thought that lightning might be prevented by sharp rods, which could cause it to discharge silently, without a spark. In fact, however, his rods were struck by lightning, and Franklin realized that grounding the rod with a wire provided lightning a preferential path, away from the structure.

Moore launched his lightning studies in the 1950s working with Bernard Vonnegut, a pioneer in developing cloud seeding.

Over the years, Moore said, he became curious why sharp-tipped rods he was using to attract lightning did not seem to do that as well as he expected.

"When you see a paradox of nature its always intriguing to try to find out why," he said in a telephone interview. "I'm a strong believer in Franklin's lightning rods, but they could be made better."

The team exposed sharp-tipped rods, blunt ones of various sizes and the new early streamer emitters on a mountaintop and waited to see what happened.

"After seven years of tests, none of the sharp Franklin rods or of the so-called 'early streamer emitters' has been struck, but 12 blunt rods with tip diameters ranging from 12.7 mm to 25.4 mm have taken strikes," they reported. "Our field experiments and our analyses indicate that the strike-reception probabilities of Franklin's rods are greatly increased when their tips are made moderately blunt."

"We have found no evidence suggesting that sharp-tipped lightning rods are effective strike receptors when similarly-exposed, moderately blunt rods are in their vicinity," they said. They stressed, however, that lightning does strike sharp rods when no competing blunt ones are nearby.

They concluded that "Franklin's method for providing (lightning) protection has been made less effective than it could be by his urging that the tip of lightning rods be sharpened".

Working with Moore on the project were researchers Graydon D. Aulich and William Rison. Geophysical Research Letters is published by the American Geophysical Union.
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