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post #1 of 18 Old Oct 20th, 2013, 5:42 pm Thread Starter
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another brake line burst

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One thing to remember that if one line is bad all the others will start going bad also. I would replace all of the lines if it was my bike. The new line will handle more pressure the the old lines. This is why most of us go with the Speigler lines.
Well as predicted just blew out the second hose so I will be placing order to speiglars in the states, if any of you oz guys want to get into a group buy let me know and we will split up the shipping how ever may ways as there are orders, I will wait till Thursday 24th for your responses i will be ordering the next day Friday 25th, money for brake lines to be paid to me before I order, I will cover the freight for the order and let you know the breakdown after the parcel arrives

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SKU: S-BM0168 2002-2010
1 set Linton (axle) 2002
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post #2 of 18 Old Oct 20th, 2013, 8:00 pm
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Re: another brake line burst

That sucks Linton...

Our $$ is climbing again at the moment, so probably as good a time to invest in a set now as any... who can predict where it'll go?

I'm happy to have a set sit in the drawer for a while. They can keep my clutch disk company.
Can't find a better price than direct from Spiegler. US$245.95 plus shipping.

Put me down for 1 x set as per below:

http://www.spieglerusa.com/brake-line-kit-180.htm
Product Details: Stainless steel braided brake line kit.
Product Specifications:
Manufacturer: BMW
Model: K 1200 LT
Year: 2002 - 2010
Remarks: orig. w/ABS, Integrated
Position: Front/Rear
Number of Lines: 6
Brand: Spiegler
Colour: ???? might do some research on benefits of clear over anything else, if there are any?

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Re: another brake line burst

Oh, BTW... I had mentioned previously reading about other's concerns as to whether Spieglers brake lines met ADR... I'd emailed Spieglers but they didn't answer.
But I did just find this on the current 2013 ADR, which has changed from the old ADR it seems.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013C00237
15. BRAKE TUBING AND BRAKE HOSE

Flexible hydraulic brake hoses, air or vacuum brake tubing and air and vacuum hose, flexible and hydraulic power hose between the ‘Brake Power Unit 31/00’ or ‘Brake Power Unit 35/00’ and the master cylinder or its equivalent must conform to SAA, SAE, BS, JIS, DIN, ISO or ECE Standards, or FMVSS 106 Brake Hoses, specified for flexible brake hoses, air brake tubing or hose or vacuum brake tubing or hose or hydraulic power tubing or hose and be fitted to the vehicle as to prevent chafing, kinking or other mechanical damage under normal motion of the parts to which they are attached.

I guess it depends on what they determine are "Approved" standards.... "MANUFACTURED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 106 FOR STREET USE".

( updated with what I think is the latest version... pays to look properly! )

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Hi Linton,
I would like to join the bulk buy. I will send you a PM shortly.

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Re: another brake line burst

good bit of info Chris thanks I am now desperate to get theses hoses replaced, so much that I will go ahead and get this order off I have found the following in some googling "Spieglers are DOT and TUV approved" so they should be ok. one new front hose from South.ank in Melb was 250.00 but no stock comes from Germany, very expensive.

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Re: another brake line burst

and if you're really that nerdy...

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec571-106.pdf

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about to order brake lines from US.

Ok I have the invoice sitting here waiting to be paid for 4 sets, well 3 and Chris's pretty red and smoke ones . As there has been no other contact to me I will wait a further 24 hrs and order tomorrow instead of Friday delivery will be approximately 3 weeks from date of order
Chris and Brian thanks for payments all's good


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Re: another brake line burst

Might want to rethink the red lines. I read where they fade to pink pretty badly.


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Re: another brake line burst

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Might want to rethink the red lines. I read where they fade to pink pretty badly.
Smoke grey lines... red fittings

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Re: another brake line burst

I have a set of these sitting on my bench waiting for the next service.

My question is with the new better lines, can I wait to flush the brake fluid a little longer?

Say every two years instead of every year?

Why am I here and what day is it??
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Its up to you how often you flush the fluids new hoses do not extend the frequency, maintence is recommended as per bmw schedule. I have done mine twice in 11 years but that didnt cause the hose to fail

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Re: another brake line burst

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Its up to you how often you flush the fluids new hoses do not extend the frequency, maintence is recommended as per bmw schedule. I have done mine twice in 11 years but that didnt cause the hose to fail
I am surprised that your ABS pump even works if you only flushed the fluids twice in 11 years.
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Re: another brake line burst

A little off topic, but many don't know that the master cylinders are vented. People who live in humid areas, power wash their bike, wash their bike often, or park outdoors are much more prone to fluid degradation. Now I can't claim to have proof that nasty fluid will kill your pump, but logic says it's probably a big risk factor.

Also, I'm not really convinced that BMW lines are all that bad. Each leak I had was where the flex line was attached to the banjo fitting. Each time the line made a hard turn at the fitting, causing undue stress as the line flexed with the suspension. In other words, poor design.


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I am surprised that your ABS pump even works if you only flushed the fluids twice in 11 years.
Point taken Garry its just something that I have not done, I have changed oils, rotors diff brgs etc since the bike went over 40k its now 125k I don't think the clutch has ever been changed. so I suppose I should look at that , but I am fairly old school "if it isn't broken leave it alone." when it breaks I fix it.

Dean +1 for your comments except the new line I fitted has contributed to the now failure of the main line from the m/cyl to the connection under the nose cone.
I have today ordered 4x Spieger kits from the US, I felt we needed to prop your economy a bit
4 kits + freight $1157.00 now you blokes can feel some of our pain

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these were ordered on 23/10 and they are about to leave los Angeleese stay tuned

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Re: another brake line burst

I will tell you I have never seen brake lines fail on a bike like they did on my 2000 lt
It is criminal how cheat and poor quality was used and we are all betting our lives on them.
I know the solution in this forum is to replace before they are old.
Here is the problem, my previous older BMW had much older lines with no failures ever, it never even crossed my mind. I have a 1982 honda with original lines, that will last another 10 years.
I have had 9 previous bikes in all condition and neglect and never had a brake line fail. I even had frozen rusted calipers on a 77 yamaha and the brake lines were just fine when I sold it last year.

Their quality is risking all of us, not to mention, ABS that almost never works.
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I guess to keep cost down different suppliers are used and materials have to pass a std. Usually the minimum std. i drive a 76 datsun with original lines and it works ok. My front line went, it was bending badly my worn font spring did it no favours. This abs thing has me concerned but i wont worry about it unless it packs up. The only thing i did before it failed was the diff and lucky i did as it was beginning to fail.

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Re: another brake line burst

Just put all the speigler lines in SAturday
The one line I was cursing a german engineer about was the rear master line, goes to a block you can barely touch.
Then I went and changed all brake pads with semi metalic $17 for a set.

The bike stops great now, still no ABS, I just hoped it would cure it.
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