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post #1 of 10 Old Jul 28th, 2013, 10:49 pm Thread Starter
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FD Failure on 2010 RT

I thought that it would never happen to me - after all, the FD failure issue was meant to be sorted out and that newer models were OK. I had checked it out before I bought my December 2012 RT. Turns out its still a problem - funny noises coming from the FD - took it in for 50k service - FD is stuffed.

The good news is that even though it is out of warranty (time and kilometres), BMW have agreed to pay all material, freight and labour costs ($3,500 for a new FD alone!!!!).

Currently planning a coast to coast run from Sydney, so it will be a good test for the FD when I get it back on the road (minimum 2 weeks to get a new FD here as it has to come from Germany).
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post #2 of 10 Old Jul 28th, 2013, 11:02 pm
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I thought that it would never happen to me - after all, the FD failure issue was meant to be sorted out and that newer models were OK. I had checked it out before I bought my December 2012 RT. Turns out its still a problem - funny noises coming from the FD - took it in for 50k service - FD is stuffed.

The good news is that even though it is out of warranty (time and kilometres), BMW have agreed to pay all material, freight and labour costs ($3,500 for a new FD alone!!!!).

Currently planning a coast to coast run from Sydney, so it will be a good test for the FD when I get it back on the road (minimum 2 weeks to get a new FD here as it has to come from Germany).
so did it happen on a 2010 or a 2012 year RT ? do u know which component actually failed ( Crown Pinion or needle bearing? )?
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Re: FD Failure on 2010 RT

oops - confusing. It is a December 2010 RT.

The main ball bearing has collapsed - probably damage to the crown and pinion as well.

By the way, it has been serviced by a dealer for every scheduled service, so fluids will have all been changed when recommended (in theory anyway).
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Re: FD Failure on 2010 RT

It will be the main bearing which chops the seal ,always is ! ....No later model Beemer escapes the dreaded FD issue.

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It will be the main bearing which chops the seal ,always is ! ....No later model Beemer escapes the dreaded FD issue.
No accurate in all cases. The roller bearing collapsed on my 2008 model. The final drive fluid has no effect on that bearing as it is seperated by a seal. What usually kills it is water.
there are several spots they fail in.
Just wondering exactly which one ? There is a theory that the way the bike is washed can contribute to failures . Not totally substaniated but worth considering.
If it was every one above a certain mileage I would agree , but I know a lot in the 100+ kms with no issue. It will be interesting to see what happens with my 2013 model.
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Point taken ,mines a 2001 model and the FD went at 49000 Kay's ,I don't use a pressure washer and I have always done my own services as im a mechanic and never found any water contamination .Before it failed I had heard about failures so I changed to synthetic which obviously didn't work.The main bearing that completely collapsed in my unit does run in oil and I also own a GSA with the new design FD and according to ADVrider they are failing all over the world hence the FD comment .

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No accurate in all cases. The roller bearing collapsed on my 2008 model. The final drive fluid has no effect on that bearing as it is seperated by a seal. What usually kills it is water.
there are several spots they fail in.
Just wondering exactly which one ? There is a theory that the way the bike is washed can contribute to failures . Not totally substaniated but worth considering.
If it was every one above a certain mileage I would agree , but I know a lot in the 100+ kms with no issue. It will be interesting to see what happens with my 2013 model.
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I never wash mine, so unlikely to be ingress. Looking back, I noticed that the outer seal was weeping a bit about 5,000km ago when I was on a ride to Brisbane (i was sitting next to the bike having a break when I noticed it). I am not sure what came first - was the weeping seal because the FD was starting to let go, or did it let go because of the weeping seal (i.e. some rubbish getting back in)
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Sad,why can't BMW get it right,I had earlier BMWs and never had a final drive problem and wore clutches out.When I started riding Ducati had all sorts of reliability issues and BMW had a reputation as the reliable bike,now my friend who rides a Ducati shakes his head when you mention my BMW which has not finished rides with oiled clutch and final drive issues.
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You will find that the bearing was on its way out first and the lateral movement of the failing bearing caused the seal to leak...IMHO

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I read somewhere recently that Yamaha got hold of a BMW shaft drive assembly and redesigned it to be bulletproof and to be fitted to the new Super Tenere 1200 .Spose time will tell if it has longevity ,maybe BMW could buy it off Yamaha to refit to theirs !......Just sayin.

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