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post #1 of 20 Old Sep 11th, 2007, 4:12 am Thread Starter
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No One wants a used K1200LT's in Australia?

Whats the go do ya reckon?

On bikesales.com.au at present there are 15 second-hand K1200LT's for sale ranging from the cheapest (mine) at $16,500 up to around $30k. I've had my bike advertised for a few weeks now, and so far, haven't had a single enquiry, and many of the other LT's advertised have been for sale for months.

Conversely, there are only two GL1800 Goldwings for sale second-hand, and it looks like one of them has already been sold to a fellow Ulysses owner up north.

So whats the go with the LT's not selling do you reckon? Their a great bike to ride (as we all know), but it looks like they might be a bit on the nose come resale time.

What are your thoughts?

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post #2 of 20 Old Sep 11th, 2007, 4:55 am
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Hi Barry. I think a few of those have been up for some time.

Maybe if I win "the big one" this weekend I can get a stable full, 1 for each day of the week! A different colour, and year model, for each day....

I just know mines not going anywhere without me too soon (I hope!)
Just starting to bed in my new seat, loving it! Reeaaalllly looking forward to the Snowy Ride now.... may even have to look at some jpegs or something.

Would be a good time to pick up a well priced unit though!

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Only those with taste realise the beauty and style of these bikes I reckon . I would like to think that my LT will be with me until I can't hold her up, and then I am seriously considering triking her so I can keep her longer. When the boss says that this is the bike for her, then you have to listen.....

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G'day Everyone,

Had my LT advertised earlier this year. I was going through a bit of a change.
Ended up taking off bike sales, can't part with it. It's a great bike and I think I would miss it to much. When it was advertised, It did generate a bit of interest. I have rode quite a few different bikes but reality is that I have not found anything that coems close to the LT.

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didn't take up Nacra sailing, did you Jake???? I've heard that can confuse your senses

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I know what that's like Jake, "Will I sell it?, or Will I not?".
I'm in two minds about selling my LT. That's why I advertised mine a second time.

I figured if it sells, then it was meant to be. If it doesn't sell, well, that was probably meant to be too, and I'll just ride it when I get the urge now and again.

One good piece of news is that the sailing regatta that prevented me from going to the Snowy Ride, has this week been brought forward a week as it clashed with another popular sailing regatta down south. If I still have the bike come November, then I'll make the trip down to Thredbo. I've alrteady given away my accommodation though, so will pick something up last minute , as there are generally some cancellations to be found.

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didn't take up Nacra sailing, did you Jake???? I've heard that can confuse your senses
Nacra sailing isn't "confusing" to the senses Chris ... its just the adrenalin rush is highly bloody addictive!!!

It's a perfect sunny day here in Brisbane, 26 degrees outside, the winds blow'in about 15 knots, and I'm sitting here feeling like a junky hang'in out for my next fix. LOL

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I know what you mean Barry. I used to sail every Saturday at my local sailing club on Lake Macquarie, had an A Class and a Stingray. Loved getting out on trapeze, especially on a 3/4 reach in about 25 knots. Those cats would scream !!! Even broke a couple of rudder blades on the Stingray because of the pressure and speed generated from the high winds. It wasn't worth rigging the boat if there were no white caps on the lake, that generally meant at least 20 knots of breeze.

Hmm, wonder if Mrs DOg and my back would let me get back into it....

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I know what you mean Barry. I used to sail every Saturday at my local sailing club on Lake Macquarie, had an A Class and a Stingray. Loved getting out on trapeze, especially on a 3/4 reach in about 25 knots. Those cats would scream !!! Even broke a couple of rudder blades on the Stingray because of the pressure and speed generated from the high winds. It wasn't worth rigging the boat if there were no white caps on the lake, that generally meant at least 20 knots of breeze.

Hmm, wonder if Mrs DOg and my back would let me get back into it....
Hi Big Dog,
So you to were once hopelessly addicted to "cat fever", and have since got clean and beaten the habit. LOL

Given the A classes fully rigged only weigh 75 kilo's, (or about a fifth of the weight of your LT). If you can lift an LT off its side, then an A class won't worry your back at all.

All you have to do now is persuade Mrs Dog to let you have one! It's really no different to owning a bike, but instead of spending all your spare cash on Farkles and tyres, you spend it on stainless steel fittings, rope and aluminium. LOL

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Looking at the prices....my 2000LT with nearly 115k miles (184k km), would be lucky to fetch 4k in the US. Bought for 20k just under 8 years ago.

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Ralph,
Oddly enough, with what you have to pay to get good second-hand parts for an LT, you might find your old girl could be worth a lot more to "part out" than what you'd get by selling the complete bike?

I'm also interested to know having clocked up 184,000 klms on your bike, have you had any problems along the way, or has it been a fairly trouble free run ?

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The same resale problem in Europe.
Bought my 99 in 2001 with 36tk for 15grand.
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You are right, as average LT bike age of this model (99-08?) increases, second hand parts are becoming more important. I just bought my first 2nd hand part...a complete exhaust system for $200, this being $1500 new. I was advised that I would get $6k for it parted out if most things sold....

I do love my LT...its been dealer maintained (pretty religous about the 6k service), ridden hard and put away wet many a time. The main things to have gone wrong are:
1. Rear Drive - once at 38k and once at 110k.....both times out in the sticks, but with miraculous solutions!
2. Rear seal - this didn't cause any problems, but I had it changed before it buggered the clutch...this was the most expensive at about $1500 from memory (maybe that was with a 6k or 12k service thrown in). I wish we knew about drilling the drain hole back in those days.

So of the 3 big ones on the LT, I have had 2 (the other being the ABS - which 2nd hand costs about $450). Other than that, the cracked exhaust is the first major wear item item I've had, and I do consider it a wear item.

Would I do it again....in a heartbeat. I can understand a rider who does an occasional weekend ride plus an annual week trip getting miffed at problems. But for me, putting on an average of 15k a year, with a few of those at 20k per year (and I am 1K on several airlines so I don't have a lot of free time after the family), I consider this bike a work of genius by the designers, ideal for the American rider. For Australian or Kiwi riders, the story may be different because there is just not the variety and quantity of roads....but for what must objectively be seen as motorcycle heaven, the USA, this is a brilliant bike for a luxury tourer.

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Barry, I'd love to get back into sailing, but Mrs Dog tells me it's one or the othern (bike vs boat). ATM the bike is winning , maybe one day I'll get another cat and teach my kids......

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Rear drive failure

Got an email yesterday from the fellow that brought my old LT from me in Darwin. The bike made it all the way back to Darwin without missing a beat, but on his first outing with his Ulysses group, about 100k's into the trip the dreaded BMW rear drive issue raised its ugly head, and he had to be towed home.

I did an oil change on the bike before he left and changed the rear drive oil in the process. There was no sign of any contamination in the oil, and theh sump plug magnet was basically free of any signs of metal.

But get this. His mechanic, some BMW specialist in Adelaide called Lee McPeake, has told him that whoever did the last service on the bike (me) would have known the rear drive was about to fail.

Of course the new owner "Fred" has emailed me saying he "thought" I was an honest sort of person, but the inference in the email clearly suggests that he believes (based on the assumption made by his mechanic), that I had prior knowledge that the rear drive was about to fail on my old bike, when I did not.

I'm seriously pissed off about what the mechanc has said. Because he has inferred that I acted dishonestly, and that I sold the bike knowing it had an impending major failure about to happen.

What annoys me most about this is that the mechanic has made such an inflamatory statement that he can't possibly substantiate, and in the process, he makes me out to look like a dishonest and deceitful type of person when I'm not.

Fred gave me the mechanics contact number, and I will be having a chat to him on Monday morning.

I don't know what the moral of the story is here yet. But I'll let you know as soon as I find out what it is.

Happy and safe riding to you all

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Hi Barry, don't knock the mechanic. I reckon it's a minimum of 1800 miles from Brisbane to Darwin. If he reckons you can tell an FD is gonna die within 2K miles, he's a genius .

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That sucks, Barry. Let us know how you get one with the mechanic.

Point the new owner to the website here too, I'm sure if he goes back through your posts he'll likely find no mention of you having any pending concerns yourself about that bike (not that I've checked, I just can't remember you ever thinking it was "about to go"....???)

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G'day Barry,

The mechanic if he is a BMW mechanic I believe would be aware that their has been issues around the world in regards to these bearings. But as an avid 4wd, know matter how good your maintenance is a bearing can let go at any time. I am not a mechanic but I am meticulous with my maintenace. I think without seeing all the comments about bearings that things happen and sometimes they just go. I have had two boxers and both of which were new before I went for LTs and both these bikes had the right head gasket replaced within 2000km. Probably a poor manfacture of gaskets and maybe just a bad batch. I have also seen the clutch problem appear in my now departed 03 LT. All these things happended without warning.
Everyone on this site and most owners of any vehicle have things go wrong.
It is not all that often through neglect. I think that is the easy way out for people to quickly pass blame.

All the best

I wish you luck on this. I know that something like this affects you very personnaly.

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Easy to blame someone who won't punch your lights out.... so, I figure the logic of the "mechanic". Too bad he's so far away.. =)

On the other hand, we all know there is really no "foolproof" way of KNOWING a RD will fail and WHEN... gimme a break.

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Had a chat today with Le McPeake the BMW specialist in Adelaide.

Apparently there appears to be some disparity between Lee's general comment to the new owner claiming that "normally when one of these drives begins to fail, you will see some metal contamination show up on the magnetic plug", which of itself is a fair enough statement to make.

He further claimed that he never told the new owner that "the last person to have serviced the rear drive MUST have known the diff was about to fail". But that's exactly what the new owner has told me Lee said?

So I'm not sure what or who to believe, because the two stories contradict each other. The only good thing is that the rear drive wasn't completely shagged as was first thought, and now only requires new bearings and seals, so that will at least make the repairs a bit less painful for the new owner.

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