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Old Apr 2nd, 2010, 3:04 pm
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Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

Does the 2010 rt take thinner oil? The dealer recommends 20W-50 but the riders manual only recommends 5W-40/50, 10W-40/50 or 15W-40 only. No mention of 20W-50.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2010, 9:40 pm
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I never noticed that in the manual. My dealer recommends 20w50 non synthetic.
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Old Apr 17th, 2010, 3:36 pm
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Strange that because my bikes just had its 1st service and the dealer said that after 1st service bmw recomend only fully synthetic.I have always thought semi or mineral oils till bike had mileage on it
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Old Apr 18th, 2010, 1:51 pm
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Strange that because my bikes just had its 1st service and the dealer said that after 1st service bmw recomend only fully synthetic.I have always thought semi or mineral oils till bike had mileage on it

my dealer says 10-50 fully syn after first service, Im a bit concerned about it to be honest
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Old Apr 19th, 2010, 3:49 pm
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

It says in the 2010 BMW owners manual BMW motorrad recommends not using synthetic oils for the first 6000 miles (1000) km. that is pretty std for all engine's the rings wont seat with synthetic.
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Old Apr 19th, 2010, 4:17 pm
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Yes i noticed that aswell but the dealer put it in and if I was to change it I could have warrenty issues later at least he did the oil change so it would be there problem.I am with you on this though most engines dont like synthetic this early in life I would have thought they would have stuck to the book on this one.
It seems most dealers are using the synthetic though on the 600ml service.
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Old Apr 19th, 2010, 7:09 pm
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Then I Would Go With The Dealer On This One Even Tho Its Not What I Have Understood As A German Car Tech. To Keep Your Warranty In Good Standing With Your Dealer You Go With What They RECOMEND Or Change Dealers. :
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Old Apr 19th, 2010, 7:12 pm
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Dealers do get updated info that the public doesn't see.
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Old Apr 19th, 2010, 7:14 pm
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

Do what the book says and you'll never be wrong, if the manufacturer changes the book, have the dealer show you.
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Old Apr 21st, 2010, 1:44 pm
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

Just bought a 10 RT also and getting ready to do my RUNIN service at 600 miles. Manual and general engine breakin knowledge says DO NOT use synthetic in new engine till it gets some miles on it. RT manual states Castrol GPS (full synthetic) only after first REGULAR service interval at 6000 miles. I'm in the transit business and on new vehicles we always use conventional oil till 10,000 miles then go to full synthetic AMSOIL after that. We even use that for our diesel engines. Early engine mileage needs some parts wear to get parts to mesh and rings to seal properly. Full synthetic will not allow that and there may be long term performance degradation from not allowing the rings to seal. I would go back to the dealer and have them show you evidence of service bulletin that refutes the owner's manual or have them redo the oil change.

I've had many dealers do less than perfect bike work over the years. My dealer told me not to go over 4000 rpms during first 600 miles. Manual says 5500 first 124 miles then 6500 next 124 or so then 7500 etc. Do vary the engine speeds for parts to wear in properly and stay away from synthetic oil for awhile.
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Old Apr 21st, 2010, 2:47 pm
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Just bought a 10 RT also and getting ready to do my RUNIN service at 600 miles. Manual and general engine breakin knowledge says DO NOT use synthetic in new engine till it gets some miles on it. RT manual states Castrol GPS (full synthetic) only after first REGULAR service interval at 6000 miles. I'm in the transit business and on new vehicles we always use conventional oil till 10,000 miles then go to full synthetic AMSOIL after that. We even use that for our diesel engines. Early engine mileage needs some parts wear to get parts to mesh and rings to seal properly. Full synthetic will not allow that and there may be long term performance degradation from not allowing the rings to seal. I would go back to the dealer and have them show you evidence of service bulletin that refutes the owner's manual or have them redo the oil change.

I've had many dealers do less than perfect bike work over the years. My dealer told me not to go over 4000 rpms during first 600 miles. Manual says 5500 first 124 miles then 6500 next 124 or so then 7500 etc. Do vary the engine speeds for parts to wear in properly and stay away from synthetic oil for awhile.

I spoke to the dealer who is going to be servicing my bike this weekend, and let them know I did not want fully synthetic putting in after 600 miles, I also contacted BMW UK but got some kid reading from a script and telling me fully synth was normal for 2010 bike even though the manual says no, dealer also said there would be warranty issues if I did not have the correct grade of oil put in, I said Im happy with the grade but not synthetic, they phoned me back a little later and said they would put semi synthetic in for now , but I must go to fully synth at 6000m service
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

I wonder if thats why they have now increased the rev range for the run in period to enable the engine and rings to bed in a bit more.
I have also contacted my dealer about the fully synthetic oil that they put in they will change it to a semi if I am prepared to sign to say that I instructed them to.
I am not really prepared to have them throw this back in my face if I have any warrenty issues so decided to stick with the synthetic that they have already put in.
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I wonder if thats why they have now increased the rev range for the run in period to enable the engine and rings to bed in a bit more.
I have also contacted my dealer about the fully synthetic oil that they put in they will change it to a semi if I am prepared to sign to say that I instructed them to.
I am not really prepared to have them throw this back in my face if I have any warrenty issues so decided to stick with the synthetic that they have already put in.
My UK Dealer also put synthetic in for my 2009 RT 600 mile service. I hadn't realised this until I went to top up the oil recently and had checked the invoice to see what was used in the service. I had phoned to get them to confirm what I should used, and they confirmed synthetic 10W-50
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I wonder if thats why they have now increased the rev range for the run in period to enable the engine and rings to bed in a bit more.
I have also contacted my dealer about the fully synthetic oil that they put in they will change it to a semi if I am prepared to sign to say that I instructed them to.
I am not really prepared to have them throw this back in my face if I have any warrenty issues so decided to stick with the synthetic that they have already put in.
Phil I have spoken to Castrol uk today and they say its fine to use the 10-50 fully synthetic and not to worry, the engine tolerences are much finer now and dont require as much bedding in as they used to, also if you want to run on semi or mineral thats fine too
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

Theres some good news then thanks for that Frank I will stop worrying good luck with the service and esa fix.Let us no how it goes.
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I spoke to the dealer who is going to be servicing my bike this weekend, and let them know I did not want fully synthetic putting in after 600 miles, I also contacted BMW UK but got some kid reading from a script and telling me fully synth was normal for 2010 bike even though the manual says no, dealer also said there would be warranty issues if I did not have the correct grade of oil put in, I said Im happy with the grade but not synthetic, they phoned me back a little later and said they would put semi synthetic in for now , but I must go to fully synth at 6000m service
Interesting that they say you MUST go to full synthetic at 6K. Also interesting that there is so much inconsistency among dealers. My oh my, what did we do before synthetic oils?
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 12:55 am
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Interesting that they say you MUST go to full synthetic at 6K. Also interesting that there is so much inconsistency among dealers. My oh my, what did we do before synthetic oils?
Reading between the lines I think there is an envromental issue involved here too
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

OK, the engine has a new head/valve train but otherwise what is different from the 05-09 RT? Not much, and they recommended the old wait 6K miles, then go synthetic, 20W-50 in summer and lighter grade in cold. I followed this and my 07 RT seems to be getting more comfortable with itself now over 30K miles, it runs better except for the annoying software imposed "anti Knock" lag when upshifting.
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

Good Morning from Spain....
I have just passed my last service (40000 kms- 20000 milles aprox) to my 07 R12RT one month ago and the dealer recommened to me the 20W50 engine oil. What's more, when I needed to buy an engine oil liter in the same BMW motorrad service, they gave me a bottle of the official BMW engine oil 20W50.
However, it could be that in differents countries BMW recommends differents oils accoding to the weather. (i.e, the spanish summer is warmer than other palces and the engine oils diminish faster than in the north of Europe).
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My oh my, what did we do before synthetic oils?
Don't you remember? We had to manually dial telephones and physically get up to change to one of the other 3 or 4 TV channels. And the punch-card computers were steam powered - It was terrible!

I wonder about the accelerated break-in and early use of synthetic. Believing that parts take a while to learn to play nice with each other, I kept my '06 RT to 4,500 for the first 600 miles, then 5,500 for 400, 6,500 for 400, etc. and have been rewarded with a very smooth engine which has averaged 50 mpg since break-in.

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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

The manual for my RTP calls for synthectic oil starting at the 600 mile service. Not sure if they come with synthetic. My point is I don't think it really matters.

I ran 20w50 dino in my '07 GSA and used a little bit of oil until 11k miles. Not sure it would have been slower to break in using synthetic. These engines just take time to fully break in.

I broke in the '07 per BMW recommendations. My '09 I broke in hard. IMHO which doesn't mean squat I don't tink it really matters on the R1200 engine.
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I've just completed my first service. Dealer used Bel-Ray EXL 10W-40 mineral oil. He suggest I stay with mineral oil until at least 20,000kms. He says that experience has shown that these engines seem to break-free only after 20,000. If I wish to use full synthetic oil thereafter, he suggest I use 20W-50, as a lower viscosity would not properly "lub" the cam chain tightners. I accept his wisdom, but may remain on mineral oil longer...

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Wow...dealers are all over the place on this issue. Mine told me to run synthetic oil only after 12000 miles are on the bike. That's what I'm doing.
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Its really strange how things vary from dealer to dealer.I have done 2k since my last service and the fully synthetic was used and I havent used any oil at all.The dealer did say that I would use little if any oil.
I had a 2006 rt and that used about a pint every 600 miles.Its strange that some of the newer rt's are using oil and some dont.
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I too just got my 2010 R1200RT back from the 600 mile service with BMW SAE 15W50 Full Synthetic oil. I raised the same questions about break-in but was told not to worry about it since the recommendations have changed recently. I have been happy with my dealer over the the years so I will take them at their word on this one.
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I'd really like to see something official from BMW on this "recommendations have changed recently". They do seem to be all over the place on recommendations.
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I'd really like to see something official from BMW on this "recommendations have changed recently". They do seem to be all over the place on recommendations.
I agree...("recommendations have changed recently"???)
My 2005RT has 24,000 and the service tech were I bought it said to just use any good
quality 20w-50 oil.However the girl behind the parts counter at the same place told me
I could use any good quality oil(as long as it was designed for bikes).That leaves the field
kind of open.All my previous bikes were wet clutch bikes so that is a whole other subject.

For now I just went with the 20w-50 BMW standard oil.Getting ready to change it and I guess I'll put the same back in it.

If someone has a link to new findings on BMW recommended oils please post.

How about recommendations on:
Gearbox oil:?
Shaft drive oil:?

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My dealer recommends using dino all the time and if you want to use synthetic, wait until after 18,000 miles. So who is right? I don't think it really matters if you use dino, blended, or synthetic as long as you keep your bike maintained. Have you ever heard of an engine being ruined because dino or synthetic was used? And if you religiously change your oil every 3k miles, it's your choice on how much you want to spend on oil!
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Strange that because my bikes just had its 1st service and the dealer said that after 1st service bmw recomend only fully synthetic.I have always thought semi or mineral oils till bike had mileage on it
Yes, Locus up here in Ontario. Wolf in London Ontario only uses Locus synthetic in all service don after the first 600 miles. 20w50
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

Just had my 1000 km service in Edmonton and asked dealer about using a synthetic oil. He said that they had not seen anything from BMW on the subject and did not recommend synthetic oil till at least 10000 km. as the manual suggests. In fact they did not recommend ever using synthetic but stay with a good quality mineral oil. So there you go another expert heard from. I have always used a good quality mineral oil in all the bikes I have own over the last 45 years and never had a problem so am happy to take their advice.
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Re: Correct Oil for 2010 r1200rt

This is a difficult one dealers seem to be split on the issue I am happy to go with my dealer as others are theres Im sure.This way if you have a warrenty issue your dealer used the oil that he recomended that bmw suposidly told him to use.
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