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post #1 of 68 Old Jul 1st, 2013, 8:39 am Thread Starter
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In talking to a dealer about the R1200RT this weekend and discussing maintenance he stated that the bike has a maintenance reminder that can only be reset using a BMW computer and that a 30-minute shop rate ($45) would be incurred to perform such a service. I would like to maintain this bike myself as much as possible should I get one. Maybe not valve adjustments, but certainly oil, oil filter, FD Fluid, brake fluid, etc. How do you do-it-yourselfers handle this issue?

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post #2 of 68 Old Jul 1st, 2013, 9:04 am
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Re: Service Indicator Reset

The RT is very easy to work on, and fortunately my '07 does not have the service reminder! From what I have read, the later models with the service reminder can have them reset with a GS-911 - a $100 analyzer that hooks up to your bike's computer to communicate with and set up variables in its computer. I don't have a GS-911, since I can do everything needed without one. Your other choice is just to ignore the reminder!

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The GS-911 will do the reset and much more, but unless you find one used there are quite a bit more than $100, the usb version starts at $299. There are known chinese knockoffs out there that Hexcode (the manufacturer) will not support. Also, if buying a used one make sure you know how many vin #'s are logged on it if it is an Enthusiast Model. (max 10 bikes)


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We use the GS-911 diagnostic tool. Plugs into the bike and can reset the reminder in 5 minutes. Also used to check for fault codes and test various systems on the bike as well as parking the stepper motors for throttle body adjustments on some models. Tool cost around $300 but gives you the satisfaction you're not paying the dealer $45 for a 5 minute job.

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Thanks for the correction on the price! I have no interest in one, at this time, and so haven't looked at the price in quite a while. Don't need the GS-911 to park the servo for TB synch. either - just disconnect the plugs for the two servos (one on each side) before starting up will do the job!

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FWIW and from what I understand, having the dealer reset the light for you also includes them virtually validating the services were performed as required within the BMW virtual world for bike service. This will lend to service history validation in the event you were to sell your bike.

I believe $45 every one year or 6k miles is reasonable. Just offering my $.02.

Since my bike still has two years of warranty I am not in a rush to obtain the GS-911, especially when my dealer will reset the service date/mileage and light for me. I also do my own maintenance, that's part of being a motorcycle enthusiast in my book.
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In talking to a dealer about the R1200RT this weekend and discussing maintenance he stated that the bike has a maintenance reminder that can only be reset using a BMW computer and that a 30-minute shop rate ($45) would be incurred to perform such a service. I would like to maintain this bike myself as much as possible should I get one. Maybe not valve adjustments, but certainly oil, oil filter, FD Fluid, brake fluid, etc. How do you do-it-yourselfers handle this issue?
It's also known as the DEI or Dealer Extortion Indicator.

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I have read alot about having the dealer do service work to protect resale value. I have NEVER read a story where someone even FELT penalized for doing their own. I recently sold an RT privately and the buyer and I discussed the service work I had done on the bike, but he never questioned that I had done it myself.

That is just my two cents' worth on dealer service.

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Also, if buying a used one make sure you know how many vin #'s are logged on it if it is an Enthusiast Model. (max 10 bikes)
I would pay up to $100 for a used one, even if all of the vins are used up -- the "Pro" firmware upgrade is $220, which would give you unlimited uses for the price (plus tax) of the crippled version.
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I would pay up to $100 for a used one, even if all of the vins are used up -- the "Pro" firmware upgrade is $220, which would give you unlimited uses for the price (plus tax) of the crippled version.
Some times clubs buy them. I haven't gotten one yet. I will if I feel like I will keep the bike for awhile.

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I take my bike for regular service to the BMW people but feel it's very cheap of them to put the reminder on just so you have to take it to them to get it off....very cheap of them.
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I take my bike for regular service to the BMW people but feel it's very cheap of them to put the reminder on just so you have to take it to them to get it off....very cheap of them.
Cheap? Unethical.

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My non-BMW car is the same thing. The service reminder comes on when it's time for an oil change and I have no way of turning it off. I don't mind as much because an oil change for the car is less then half what I would pay for the bike and I really don't want to do it myself. The RT is different because I want to work on it. So the RT service reminder is on all the time now which does nobody any good and a GS911 here costs about $400. I'm not sure that BMW did this with intent to leach money from us. It's probably just another example of poor design. I have heard that for a cost, the dealer will change the setting so that the indicator does not come on. Now that the bike is out of warranty, I would like that and I could monitor the service intervals using the odometer.
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Well technically you do NOT have to shut the service engine light off and you'll hardly notice it when it does come on.
However, if you are going to do your own servicing I'd recommend you buy the GS911 so you can check the fault codes and such.

Someone mentioned parking the TB for syncing? You don't need to as it makes NO difference to the sync.
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I have heard that for a cost, the dealer will change the setting so that the indicator does not come on.
My service guy told me that he could not disable it or extend it too far out but he could make it so that it did not come on in a while (maybe 24 or 36k out). So I will have to wait and see by what he said.

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It does make sincing easer as the GS911 parks/ closes the throttle servos when the throttle is opened . Bike is tough to ride if you do not log out of sinc mode .

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It does make sincing easer as the GS911 parks/ closes the throttle servos when the throttle is opened . Bike is tough to ride if you do not log out of sinc mode .

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Interesting. I thought that the servos only regulated the idle. I always assumed that moving the throttle off idle to sync the throttles eliminated any effect from them. I have done a throttle sync on my 2010 a few times without doing anything with the steppers. The bike always runs really well after.
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Interesting. I thought that the servos only regulated the idle. I always assumed that moving the throttle off idle to sync the throttles eliminated any effect from them. I have done a throttle sync on my 2010 a few times without doing anything with the steppers. The bike always runs really well after.
I am sure that the procedure that you have been following is fine! If you want to be really sure, you can unplug the connectors from the servos (one on each side) before starting up and do your synch. I see absolutely no needs to spend $300 on a GS911 to park the servo! Take a look at this for reference:

http://www.jimvonbaden.com/R1200_TB_Sync.html

OTOH, reading the reference above, you will note that in the section about disconnecting the servo connectors, Jim also noted that he had done the TB synch. while disconnecting the servos as well as leaving them connected and find no difference at all!

I do disconnect them, when I do my TB synch. No big deal at all.

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Thanks for the input Pad. I do have Jim's DVD and find it very helpful. Just to be sure, the next time I will do the sync as per my normal process and then redo with the steppers disconnected to see if the readings change much.
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The GS-911 is a very handy tool. Besides the obvious things, it can exercise a number of
items such as the the fuel pump or the injectors. It can also read the status of switches,
I find it indispensable in troubleshooting. It may earn itself back if you are able to do one
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When will they get a MAC version of the GS-911

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My dealer charged me $25 to reset the service minder and check for software updates.

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FWIW and from what I understand, having the dealer reset the light for you also includes them virtually validating the services were performed as required within the BMW virtual world for bike service. This will lend to service history validation in the event you were to sell your bike.
As far as validating service, I simply retain parts receipts and fill out the same exact service checklists the dealer does (available on line) in a maintenance binder. Now that I have a GS911, I also retain a printout of the 911 run. When I traded in my '08 for my '15, the dealer was 100% satisfied with my records of services performed.

The wifi version works on Mac.

Software updates are free.

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As far as validating service, I simply retain parts receipts and fill out the same exact service checklists the dealer does (available on line) in a maintenance binder. Now that I have a GS911, I also retain a printout of the 911 run. When I traded in my '08 for my '15, the dealer was 100% satisfied with my records of services performed.

The wifi version works on Mac.

Software updates are free.
Are you using the WiFi version with a Mac? If so, is this full capability with Mac OS or does it require Parallels or similar running Windows?

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The manufacturers website needs a good organization and clean up, but all the details are available. Be sure you are looking at details for the gs911wifi and not the gs911.

GS-911wifi info ? HEX Code:
"Using any device with a html 5 browser and wifi (Android phone/tablet, iPhone/iPad, MAC, etc.), that also has internet access, you are able to connect to the HEX CLOUD. This gives you SERVICE functionality that was previously limited to the Windows PC version. Be sure to keep an eye on this evolving functionality!"

Basically, MAC and Android emergency functionality (as defined at the above link) on the road without internet access, full functionality with internet access.

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Are you using the WiFi version with a Mac? If so, is this full capability with Mac OS or does it require Parallels or similar running Windows?
As Larry said above. I have full functionality with the wifi version on my iPad. I did need to originally set the unit up using my Mac, since setup needed a USB connection.

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My dealer charged me $25 to reset the service minder and check for software updates.
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I take my bike for regular service to the BMW people but feel it's very cheap of them to put the reminder on just so you have to take it to them to get it off....very cheap of them.
BMW takes their liability VERY seriously.

In the 21st century and with synthetic motor oils, there is ZERO reason your bike needs a motor oil change every 6K miles.

That interval exists to provide the dealer the chance to safety-inspect your bike more often. So does the light not being user resettable. The short interval is the ONLY reason BMW permits nonsynthetic motor oil--something they do NOT do on their cars which feature 21st-century-norm 15K miles change intervals.

It's not unethical and not cheap and it's not poor design. In fact there's no one on this forum qualified to judge automotive design.

There's no "entitlement" to cheap motorcycling.
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As Larry said above. I have full functionality with the wifi version on my iPad. I did need to originally set the unit up using my Mac, since setup needed a USB connection.
That certainly sounds like good news.

Have you had any issues using just the iPad to obtain full functionality with the WiFi version? Looking at compatibility of Safari on my iPhone 6 for html 5 (html5test.com) my device scores 407 out of 555 so apparently there is room for some functionality concern.

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Lkchris, gonna have to disagree with you. Once the bike becomes my property, so do all the responsibilities. An extortion light just FEEDS the dealerships. If it was anything else that idiot light would have been included on earlier models.
Now I don't mind the light because I have a 911, and I ignore it well until I have time to shut it off, but it is a CHEAP trick to put on owners.
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BMW takes their liability VERY seriously.

In the 21st century and with synthetic motor oils, there is ZERO reason your bike needs a motor oil change every 6K miles.

That interval exists to provide the dealer the chance to safety-inspect your bike more often. So does the light not being user resettable. The short interval is the ONLY reason BMW permits nonsynthetic motor oil--something they do NOT do on their cars which feature 21st-century-norm 15K miles change intervals.

It's not unethical and not cheap and it's not poor design. In fact there's no one on this forum qualified to judge automotive design.

There's no "entitlement" to cheap motorcycling.
What Liability do you refer?

Not sure how you know 6k is good or bad on oil? I test my car oil and at 8500 miles on 0-20 full synth I was told to back it down to 8000 for my next change to see if the some of the wear levels are dropping on my Honda Accord I4. It only has 15, 000 on it now. And I am not running a clutch in the same oil as on the RT.

The only way you can know is test your oil which I will do on my next change on the RT.

It is unethical for BMW to force you to go to a dealer to turn a nag light off. Your bike and you should not have to pay to turn off a nag light. I dont have to in my Accord even though I have a dash nag from 15%- 0% I push the odometer button and it shuts off to the next start. When I change my oil I go into settings on my display and reset the oil minder and it is good to go.

Entitlement begins the day I drive it off the lot, period! I paid for it and I can do what I want with it no matter what. And if somehow I void my own warranty it is my right.

I have a GS 911. I also have a great dealer. He just set my turn signals down to the lowest settings and I got two updates. Thing is it is just not a simple thing to do the computer has a mind of it's own so hooking to the computer in my case was almost 1/2 hour connected, turn this on/off, activate brakes and other assorted things through the process. The previous Service Manager used to charge 1/2 hour labor for all hook ups unless in for a service. I can see it for sure as it is time in the shop and someone has to baby sit it.

To me it is as wrong as saying I must use your oil, as you lock me into having to come to a dealer and incur a cost for something that is my responsibility and my right to do, or not, as I please with my own property.

You have a very strange outlook on who owns what and what is right and wrong for the consumer. Mostly you are just plain wrong on every one of your "points".
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That interval exists to provide the dealer the chance to safety-inspect your bike more often.
Rubbish. Using this crazy argument means they would have us in every week for a safety check of real issues like tyre wear and pressures.
Most dealerships will do the jobs they have to do and not fuss around doing stuff outside their remit.
That is why (in the UK for example) we have government imposed safety checks (again in the UK, called MOT tests).

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So does the light not being user resettable. The short interval is the ONLY reason BMW permits nonsynthetic motor oil--
So from that argument it is irrelevant. I have rarely seen a thread on BMW forums where engine oil has caused a failure (apart from lack of it).
I think you are talking nonsense.

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It's not unethical and not cheap and it's not poor design.
Again I believe you are wrong. The end user should have freedom to perform a reset.

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In fact there's no one on this forum qualified to judge automotive design.
That is a very bold claim!

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There's no "entitlement" to cheap motorcycling.
What on earth do you mean by that? It is an activity just for the rich then!
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you can always put a smiley face sticker over the nag light...
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Wow, some of you have twisted ideas about the service light and your relationship to BMW.
Many manufacturers have them, maybe it's even a newer government regulation to have them, I don't know.
I'm sure BMW views this as a customer service to you and not a ripoff plot against its riders as some of you portray. I haven't had that experience.

I do know that by example, by searching the internet I found I can turn off my Toyota check engine light without another tool, just a secret handshake between the ignition switch and the odometer reset switch. For that, I'll assume either the Toyota dealer can extract at what points I reset it, or not, and I'm OK with that either way.

To say BMW forces you to go to the dealer to turn it off is untrue.
You have options. The GS-911 tool can do that as well as a few ECU burners (at least for my S1K). I own two BMWs and use the GS-911 to reset the service reminders on my own, and my BMW dealer never blinks when I do have other service done and tell him not to change the oil. I mark my filters with a white-out pen showing the date & mileage of each change and take a picture of the changes as proof I did it. And I "cheat" them by buying my filters on-line in bulk and buying my Mobil-1 oil at cost from a good friend who is a huge Mobil dealer for the marine industry. Again, no reaction what-so-ever.

I do carry a GS-911 everywhere I ride my BMWs because it is an entire diagnostic tool that can help you determine any number of faults, and actually reset a number of conditions on your own - way beyond resetting the service reminder light. IMHO it's worth the money. Ever been stranded and don't know what the problem is? Sure you have, and the GS-911 can test and tell you what switch is to blame, or if the battery is weak or dying, and much much more. Maybe even save you a tow to the dealer.

About the 10 VIN limitation. That only applies to bikes that you have actually fixed or changed something on. You can use it on an unlimited number of bikes to simply look at the diagnostic sections that tell you what the problem is. I've used it dozens of times on other riders bikes on the road or at the track to let them know how their bikes are working or what the problems are is they should have looked at.

One last thing I haven't seen mentioned here. If you own a '15 model BMW or newer, you will need the red Wi-Fi version, not the older yellow USB or Bluetooth models. The electronics in the new models use a different inter-module signal than the older CANBUS models. If you do have a BMW that is older, the red Wi-Fi version is backward compatible, but not the other way around.
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Nice post...but one should not have to purchase a GS-911 to turn off a service light....I agree it is a nice friendly reminder that service is due, but we still should have the option to turn it off ourselves.....I have a great relation with two dealers and they both re going to charge me $50 to reset it....and that is without having any service performed at all.....
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Nice post...but one should not have to purchase a GS-911 to turn off a service light....I agree it is a nice friendly reminder that service is due, but we still should have the option to turn it off ourselves.....I have a great relation with two dealers and they both re going to charge me $50 to reset it....and that is without having any service performed at all.....
They mustn't want your business much.

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My former BMW service guy was notorious for failing to turn off the service reminder after finishing the 6,000/12,000/18,000 mile services. This, of course, necessitated a second visit to his shop. At least he never charged me to reset, and I did enjoy dropping by his shop. Too bad he stopped servicing BMW's!

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Thats why I am trying to learn as much about my new bike as possible...I am pretty good at turning wrenches and understand the bike, but the water cooled GS is a little different.....I need to find a a good book (Haynes or Climbers ) for the 2016 GS, RT or any new boxer water called engine......

Having said that, I give them the first chance every time....but $18.99 for a bottle of oil is crazy..I get it at Chaparral for $13.49......I got new new Schuberth C3vPro large silver helmet for $692 out the door......They did not believe it until I showed the the receipt and it was from a BMW dealer.....They went crazy.....

By an large, it is hard to pay $100-125 labor rate for oil change or valve adjustments..I look forward to doing my 6k service myself for about $70....as opposed to $225 from the dealers.....

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I would not pay the $14 for oil from chaparral either. $8 for castrol at any Walmart, 10/40 or 20/50. Either is fine and won't hurt warranty. If you really want to lose cost, rotella T6 is cheaper yet and meets all requirements
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Didn't know you could use 10w/40 or 20w/50 in the new 2016 liquid cooled R1200gs........Are they MA-2 rated?

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Didn't know you could use 101w/40 or 20w/50 in the new 2016 liquid cooled R1200gs........Are they MA-2 rated?

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You CANNOT use 20w-50! Stick with what's in your manual, and you have it right to ask about the JASO MA2! That is the important part of the spec. for our bikes. FWIW, I use the Shell Rotella T6 5w-40.

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One last thing I haven't seen mentioned here. If you own a '15 model BMW or newer, you will need the red Wi-Fi version, not the older yellow USB or Bluetooth models. The electronics in the new models use a different inter-module signal than the older CANBUS models. If you do have a BMW that is older, the red Wi-Fi version is backward compatible, but not the other way around.
Thanks. Good information to know.

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FWIW, I use the Shell Rotella T6 5w-40.
You know, I saw that Rotella T6 5W/40 at the store the other day and got all excited but for the life of me, I couldn't find the "MA-2" designation on the bottle!

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Thanks a bunch....Will look at Shell Rosella T6 5w/40. I believe Walmart had it the other day

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You know, I saw that Rotella T6 5W/40 at the store the other day and got all excited but for the life of me, I couldn't find the "MA-2" designation on the bottle!

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You are correct, the bottle doesn't show an MA2 designation but the attached spec sheet does. There was a long thread on this a few months back over on the MOA forums too:

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You know, I saw that Rotella T6 5W/40 at the store the other day and got all excited but for the life of me, I couldn't find the "MA-2" designation on the bottle!

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Thanks a bunch....Will look at Shell Rosella T6 5w/40. I believe Walmart had it the other day
They do. That's where I buy mine. Get the gallon bottle, which is the exact amount that you need for an oil & filter change. I think I paid less than $20 for the gallon.

BTW, just to add to my original response - I didn't say anything about the 10w-40 oil because, if I had to, I would use it as long as the oil is JASO MA2 rated. BUT, one thing that you want to note is that the wetheads have a reputation for somewhat clunky up-shifts in the low gears. That gets eliminated to a large degree if you keep the crankcase oil level down to no more than the max. level indicated within the sight-glass, which is the top of the inner scribed circle (NOT the top of the glass itself!) You will find that a full US gallon of oil will get you precisely to this level, whereas if you have the dealer do your oil change, he would dump in 4 liter bottles, and the crank-case level will be to the very top of the sight glass. Now back to the 10w-40 oil (or worse yet, 20w-50 oil). If the mere 1/4" or so increase of oil level in the crankcase cause the clutch to drag enough for the clunky shift, just imagine what a higher viscosity (thicker) oil would do! Ergo, stick to the spec!!!
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Lol.... What's the dealer put in your bike? Whatever they sell to include 10-40 & 20-50. As long as it doesn't contain friction modifier your wet clutch will work fine.
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