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post #1 of 18 Old Jul 28th, 2011, 4:19 pm Thread Starter
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r1100rt problems

my motorcycle story:
two years ago i read, zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, for the second time. the last time i read it, some time in the mid 80ís, i went out a bought a honda saber 700.
i wanted a motorcycle, but had to start from scratch, since so many changes have taken place over the past 23 years. after doing research i narrowed it down to a honda st1300 or a bmw r1100rt or a bmw r1200rt.
i was able to demo a st for a 5 mile ride. thoughts: it gave off a lot of heat from the engine, it was top heavy, had plenty of power, handling was ok, $10,000 for a used one.
demoed the r1200rt thoughts: the engine is low, so there is very little heat, and the handling was great, very easy to turn, looked nice and it was a beemer, $9,500 for 2005.

i ended up getting a 2001 bmw r1100rt w/ 25,000 miles for $6,500. put 5k miles on it in 4 months. took it in for scheduled maintenance. took it to hermys bmw. they did valve check, new tires, fixed fluid weep - $1,500. two weeks later the clutch spine went. after they fixed the clutch, something went wrong with the engine. after they fixed the clutch, rebuilt the trans and rebuilt the engine, the bill was $4,000.
i got the bike back in march, put 1000 miles on it and the clutch spline went again, 40 miles from home. hermys bmw said theyíd fix it, because itís still under their repair warranty.

i really like the bmw, the looks, handling, etc., but i donít want to be stranded again or pay the high repair costs.
now, iím looking to replace the bike, and honda is at the top of the list, although iím concerned about the wooble/weave. i rally like the bmw but...
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post #2 of 18 Old Jul 28th, 2011, 6:40 pm
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Some of the bikes, especially GS's but I can't see why it might not be other R bikes, had the engine/transmission interfaces not perpendicular or otherwise lined up properly. Prone to blowing the splines regularly. From what I have heard it was on the tranny side. Sometimes you have to cut your losses!

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my motorcycle story:
two years ago i read, zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, for the second time. the last time i read it, some time in the mid 80ís, i went out a bought a honda saber 700.
i wanted a motorcycle, but had to start from scratch, since so many changes have taken place over the past 23 years. after doing research i narrowed it down to a honda st1300 or a bmw r1100rt or a bmw r1200rt.
i was able to demo a st for a 5 mile ride. thoughts: it gave off a lot of heat from the engine, it was top heavy, had plenty of power, handling was ok, $10,000 for a used one.
demoed the r1200rt thoughts: the engine is low, so there is very little heat, and the handling was great, very easy to turn, looked nice and it was a beemer, $9,500 for 2005.

i ended up getting a 2001 bmw r1100rt w/ 25,000 miles for $6,500. put 5k miles on it in 4 months. took it in for scheduled maintenance. took it to hermys bmw. they did valve check, new tires, fixed fluid weep - $1,500. two weeks later the clutch spine went. after they fixed the clutch, something went wrong with the engine. after they fixed the clutch, rebuilt the trans and rebuilt the engine, the bill was $4,000.
i got the bike back in march, put 1000 miles on it and the clutch spline went again, 40 miles from home. hermys bmw said theyíd fix it, because itís still under their repair warranty.

i really like the bmw, the looks, handling, etc., but i donít want to be stranded again or pay the high repair costs.
now, iím looking to replace the bike, and honda is at the top of the list, although iím concerned about the wooble/weave. i rally like the bmw but...
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I am originally from PA and went thru high school in that state.
At the time PA was looked up to for it's educational prowess.
Somehow that apparently changed since YOU NEVER LEARNED TO CAPITALIZE proper nouns and the first word of a sentence.

Does it make a difference riding a bike? Probably not.
Does it make a difference reading what you wrote?? It does.
You might consider a Harley!

Sorry, I've had a couple of glasses of wine so I thought I should whine.

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I never heard of Beech's contention. Not arguing, just saying that in all these years I, personally, have never heard that. But what do I know- shoot, I am only active on the top 3 or is it 4 BMW oriented forums on the planet...

I had a R1100R, no issues. I have a R1200RT now - no problems. I had other BMW's no spline problems. I rode from SLC to California and back with a lady who has an R1100RT... no issues. My R1100S does not have such issues either. So what?

Things happen and sometimes they don't. I do all my own maintenance. I check everything... so far- knocking on wood no problems.

What I do not understand is the O.P. bought the cheapest alternative, now he is complaining.

Get the Honda and suffer... or get a modern R1200RT, buy an extended warranty and enjoy life.

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I am new to the board. I recently (4 weeks ago) purchased a 1999 R1100RT-P ex California Highway Patrol bike with 50K miles, and outside of me stupidly overfilling the oil and creating a lot of smoke until I drained it and refilled it, it has been no problem in the first 2000 miles. It has also been an absolute pleasure to drive.

It gets 50 MPG or better depending on my driving. I have heard and read about these horror stories about spline problems but wonder if it has anything to do with the way the bike is driven, or perhaps some substandard parts that made it through BMW's quality control during manufacturer and repair. I do all my own maintenance when it is required.

I am 63, not 23, and very conservative in my driving... with careful maintenance and careful driving, I expect it to last a very long time. Thanks to all who have given me assistance and advice since joining this board.
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I am originally from PA and went thru high school in that state.
At the time PA was looked up to for it's educational prowess.
Somehow that apparently changed since YOU NEVER LEARNED TO CAPITALIZE proper nouns and the first word of a sentence.

Does it make a difference riding a bike? Probably not.
Does it make a difference reading what you wrote?? It does.
You might consider a Harley!

Sorry, I've had a couple of glasses of wine so I thought I should whine.
Most of us have probably been there - done that - sort to thing. A bit tipsy and ornery. Whine all you want.
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I am new to the board.

I am 63, not 23, and very conservative in my driving... with careful maintenance and careful driving, I expect it to last a very long time. Thanks to all who have given me assistance and advice since joining this board.
Welcome to the forum and fine motorcycling. Yes it will last a long time given proper care and maintenance. My 1980 RT you see in the icon photo went 206K miles for me in the 22 years I owned it. The current owner tells me has racked up 7 thousand trouble free miles. Swing arm bearings, carbs rebuilt (twice) and regular "wear and tear" items. The ignition (points) gave me fits around 110K but they were replaced with an after market electronic unit---no more problems.

Maintenance is the key----good luck!

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I am originally from PA and went thru high school in that state.
At the time PA was looked up to for it's educational prowess.
Somehow that apparently changed since YOU NEVER LEARNED TO CAPITALIZE proper nouns and the first word of a sentence.

Does it make a difference riding a bike? Probably not.
Does it make a difference reading what you wrote?? It does.
You might consider a Harley!

Sorry, I've had a couple of glasses of wine so I thought I should whine.
i used to always capitalize properly, until i read a friend's blog and emails, and she never used capitals, yet she is one of the smartest people i've ever met. she graduated in the top 10 from high school. her graduating class had over 900 people. she later graduated from upenn in 3.5 years. before she graduated from med school, she got married and gave birth to two children. she was later accepted to the med/peds residency program in De. there were four positions and 105 applied. during her residency, which included working 80 hours a week, she had another child with out trouble. if she doesn't use caps, then i'm ok in not using them either.

how do i know this person? i was her sixth grade math and LA teacher
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I am originally from PA and went thru high school in that state.
At the time PA was looked up to for it's educational prowess.
Somehow that apparently changed since YOU NEVER LEARNED TO CAPITALIZE proper nouns and the first word of a sentence.

Does it make a difference riding a bike? Probably not.
Does it make a difference reading what you wrote?? It does.
You might consider a Harley!

Sorry, I've had a couple of glasses of wine so I thought I should whine.
you really shouldn't drink and post...

i guess e.e. cummings didn't come from pa

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i used to always capitalize properly, until i read a friend's blog and emails, and she never used capitals, yet she is one of the smartest people i've ever met. she graduated in the top 10 from high school. her graduating class had over 900 people. she later graduated from upenn in 3.5 years. before she graduated from med school, she got married and gave birth to two children. she was later accepted to the med/peds residency program in De. there were four positions and 105 applied. during her residency, which included working 80 hours a week, she had another child with out trouble. if she doesn't use caps, then i'm ok in not using them either.

how do i know this person? i was her sixth grade math and LA teacher

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I am originally from PA and went thru high school in that state.
At the time PA was looked up to for it's educational prowess...
Hmm... did PA schools teach you to use "it's" (it is) when lauding "its" educational prowess?

Or is it just the wine?
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I get caught in the its it's all the time. I know the difference but " Spell Check " and failure to proof read makes it my fault.
My ole 76 R90/6 had issues with the clutch spline. It would stick when letting the clutch out. The splines would dry out. The first time I let my dealer repair. I don't remember what it cost , The second and third time I learned to separate the trans and engine about half an inch and got a little skinny brush, attached it to a dowel and painted a bit of lube on the splines.
I do not know if this 05 has the same dry clutch / spline but maybe it would be worth a try.
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my motorcycle story:.....
i really like the bmw, the looks, handling, etc., but i donít want to be stranded again or pay the high repair costs.
.... i rally like the bmw but...
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As Beech said, there was a period when there were these claimed alignment issues.
Your bike appears to be one of them. It doesn't matter how many clutches you put in it, or how many times you change that Gearbox input shaft, if there is misalignment it will eat that input shaft again. The solution is a replacement gearbox housing. Don't waste your time rebuilding that one as it will most likely happen again.
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I think there are certain risks when buying a low mileage 15+ year bike and unfortunately you bought a lot of work. I don't know anything about the spline or alignment between engine and transmission and anything that entails. I have talked to a lot RT riders and have only met one or two that had really expensive repairs and even they still loved their bikes.

I know a lot of people that ride both the Honda ST1300 and ST1100, I was one of the 1100 crowd for 12 years, they are not problem free either but the repairs tend to not be as expensive. The early ST1100 suffered from a weak charging system and folks that added a lot of farkles spent a lot of money replacing or repairing the charging system. Mine was a later model with the higher output alternator and was mostly trouble free until the end of my ownership where the switch gear and the relay that powered the starter motor needed replacement. The ST1300 seem to have a lot coolant leaks and heat issues where a lot of heat gets dumped on the rider making for an uncomfortable summer's day. From what I understand the high speed wobble was mostly an issue on U.K. police bikes and had something to do with weight distribution. Personally have never met a ST1300 owner that had the wobble issue and all of them seem just as loyal or maybe even more loyal to the ST than the BMW crowd is to the RT.

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You guys do know you are responding to a post from 2011...?

Time flies and sometimes threads and questions get answered right away, sometimes not...

So, how's that R1100 doing these days?

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You guys do know you are responding to a post from 2011...?
Wouldn't be the first time that I was caught talking to myself

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You guys do know you are responding to a post from 2011...?

Time flies and sometimes threads and questions get answered right away, sometimes not...

So, how's that R1100 doing these days?
Thanks Hopz. I hadn't realised that. It looks like a troll at post #12 reactivated it.
My apologies to all.
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