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post #1 of 49 Old Mar 19th, 2008, 8:41 pm Thread Starter
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BMW R1200RT vs. Honda ST1300

Currently ride a Honda ST 1300. For several reasons I won't bore you with , I'm thinking of the R1200RT. If anyone has made that switch, I would appreciate you telling me why you went to the RT, and if you are happy with the decision. I'm particularly interested in stability at 70-80 mph, but would like to hear any pros and cons you can think of.

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Hi, Never rode the Honda. I have a couple of riding friends that have them, and they like the bike. As for your question about stability. I personally ride between 75-90 and will go faster if I am by myself on the road. Most of the riding is easily at 80. The bike is drama free at anything up to 110. Can't comment about sustained crusing above that speed as I really dont. I have taken the bike to 140 sustained for 10 miles. Again, rock solid! As I said, never ridden the Honda but the BMW constantly impresses. To further my confidence. I can ride this thing at 80 with the cruise control on and sit with my hands in my lap. It is that smooth! By the way at 70 your looking at well over 60 miles per gallon.

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Go to this site http://www.bamarider.com/ He owns both bikes.
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OK, thanks for your response. Happy to hear about the good stability of the RT. As you may have heard about the ST 1300, some of them seem to get nervous, even at interstate speed, and I seem to have one of them. Not a good attribute for a touring bike.
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I traded in my ST1300 on a R1200RT so I have some experience with these 2 bikes. The R1200RT is a great bike - very stable, good power, excellent amenities, and very comfortable. And most importantly, BMW managed to keep the bike fun and engaging - a true ST. On the other hand, the ST1300 was a big let down - a very boring bike. There was nothing technically wrong with the bike and I'm sure it will have very few problems (as Honda is mechanically excellent). It was nowhere near as stable as the R1200RT from 70mph - 100mph - the wind seemed to buffet and move the ST1300 around much more. The amenities on the ST1300 were minimal compared to the R1200RT (no cruise, no heated grips/seat, no TPM, ...). Also, the handling on the R1200RT is much better - it hangs in the corners better and feels much more stable. If you need more, please let me know but the R1200RT is hands-down a better bike in every way!
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+1 on looking at the bamarider site. He was also kind enough to answer a number of questions I had about both bikes.

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Thanks again for all replys. I've read Guy's analysis of both bikes. He basically seems to think they are overall equal in many ways, just different. I'm just trying to gather as many opinions as possible before I go any further in my quest to get a bike that handles really well on both the twisties and the interstate.
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By the way at 70 your looking at well over 60 miles per gallon.

One word WOW - how the hell do you that!! Inquiring minds want to know - noted I am still breaking in bike in and happy with 40
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I had an 03 ST for 9,500 miles and while I enjoyed the bike, I am so glad I moved to the RT. I agree with the prior posts on amenities and handling, but the main attraction for me is that the BMW has much more character - it feels more like you're riding a motorcycle than the ST, which is so quiet and almost "too smooth". I feel like I'm more tuned in when I ride the BMW. And my wife likes it better as well!

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I also have owned both and +1 on ridersmith comments.
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A have an acquaintance, a famous motorcycle journalist whose name I am not authorized to reveal, who owned an ST1300.

His major complaint? Engine heat. Once he had his sunglasses in the glove box, and they were melted!

The R1200RT protects the rider brilliantly from engine heat. So did the R1100RT and the R1150RT. So does the K1200LT.

Why would Honda, Harley, Ducati, etc., not deal with engine heat on the rider from the inception of design? That seems to me to be a fundamental design issue from the get-go. What is the point of roasting the rider and/or his sunglasses? Go figure.

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I owned an ST1300 and now own a RT. The RT is a much better bike.
The ST is about 70 Lbs heavier, very low ground clearance (drug my boots often) lots of engine heat, drive shaft torque pull on decel, harder to service, mediocre suspension, no available cruise control,no heated grips, no available heated seat. I guess I really like my RT1200.

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Thanks for all replys. I guess the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger yet is I will have to part with a lot of additional money to get the RT, and I keep reading about mechanical problems with the RT. With the exception of some leaking radiators on the Honda ST 1300 (which I don't have), it's trouble free mechanically. I'm not too handy so reliabillty is important to me.

Anyone have any feel for the extent of the FD failures the 2006-2007 RT's? I don't mind spending money to get what I want, but I don't want to buy a headache. Thanks again.
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Thanks for all replys. I guess the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger yet is I will have to part with a lot of additional money to get the RT, and I keep reading about mechanical problems with the RT. With the exception of some leaking radiators on the Honda ST 1300 (which I don't have), it's trouble free mechanically. I'm not too handy so reliabillty is important to me.

Anyone have any feel for the extent of the FD failures the 2006-2007 RT's? I don't mind spending money to get what I want, but I don't want to buy a headache. Thanks again.
Bob do yourself a favor and don't worry about FD failures etc. I have been riding BMW's for the last 14 years with very few problems. The RT is so much more enjoyable then the ST1300 I had. You get what you pay for and bottom line is the RT is worth the extra money.
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I didn't ride a ST1300, but seriously considered it before buying the 1200RT. In addition to the comfort/convenience pluses mentioned above, the biggest plus with the R12RT (for me, at least) is the weight. It packs all the features but about 150 lbs lighter than the ST1300. My friend has been riding a ST1300 for nearly three years and his biggest complaint is weight. Not an easy bike to ride around town.
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I hope I am not to late...........I ride one every day to chase down speeders, which at time may hit up three digits.........Piece of cake on the RTP.

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Anyone have any feel for the extent of the FD failures the 2006-2007 RT's? I don't mind spending money to get what I want, but I don't want to buy a headache. Thanks again.
I am sure that if you do enough searching on this board as well other RT related ones, you will find that the FD failure issue is way way below what we all think. One bike has an issue and then all of a sudden every thinks that it will happen to their bike as well.

I did a lot of research before settling on the RT as well, the amount of money that differentiates the two was not an issue for me as well. These bikes are worlds apart, I don't care what anyone says. I am not that mechanical either, and it is not required to enjoy the RT. I do more and more now that I have the bike, as it adds to the overall experience, but I am far from being an accomplished wrench - at least not yet!

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I didn't ride a ST1300, but seriously considered it before buying the 1200RT. In addition to the comfort/convenience pluses mentioned above, the biggest plus with the R12RT (for me, at least) is the weight. It packs all the features but about 150 lbs lighter than the ST1300. My friend has been riding a ST1300 for nearly three years and his biggest complaint is weight. Not an easy bike to ride around town.
Reminds me of why I traded my last K1200LT for a new RT: The weight.

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Just wanted to say that I traded in my Honda ST1300 today and bought a used '07 R1200RT with 6000 miles. Thanks to all who provided information and opinions about the RT.

On the test ride I took it out on the four lane and it rode much more stabile than the Honda. Most people who own the ST 1300 didn't seem to have a problem with the wind management on the bike, but mine got "happy feet" above 65 mph, even in no crosswind. Anyway, I'm looking foreward to using this forum as a resource about the BMW.
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I bought an ST last year. I couldn't live with it after only one month. This bike is the first of many Hondas I've owned that I didn't like. I wish I had studied the ST owners sites before I bought it. I had all the problems that are highlighted at these sites:
1. Unsettling weave when approaching semi's
2. Cooked legs on hot days.
3. Cooked balls!

It's a shame because everything else about the bike was good.

I bought an 06 R1200RT. I love this bike. Yes it cost more, but I see this one as a keeper. Buy the Beemer. Residual will be better in the long run too.

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One word WOW - how the hell do you that!! Inquiring minds want to know - noted I am still breaking in bike in and happy with 40
You are aware that there is a sixth gear, right?

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You are aware that there is a sixth gear, right?
There must be something wrong with my bike. I use sixth all the time on the highway and regularly travel at 70-80 mph... I can't seem to get better than 45mpg.

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I had an 04 ST1300 before buying my 07 RT1200. I put about 45K miles on that bike over 3 years. I now have 32K miles on the RT over 3 years. Rather than say one is better than the other I'll note what I liked and disliked about each:

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Liked the engine, woosh! Super smooth and powerful at any speed. Also integral tip over bars, and tire life.

Disliked the seat, and most especially engine heat cooking my privates. I had an especially hot one. Weight is heavy and handling is mediocre, generally tacky plasticky finish. Nothing useful is standard beyond the adjustable windshield, every accessory needs to be added with aftermarket gizmos. Gets expensive and tedious. Crappy body panel pushpins.

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Liked the nice finish and that everything you need is already installed for the most part, electric accessory plugs, heated sets and grips, cruise control. Body panels attached with screws, all the same mostly. Engine heat is non existent, handling is brilliant, close to a sport bike which is pretty amazing for something the size of a tugboat. Way lighter than the ST1300 and it is immediately noticeable.

Disliked the clunky two cylinder idle, although the engine improves once you get going. Power is OK but less than ST regardless of what anyone says, no 4 cyl woosh. No tipover bars and even a stationary tipover is going to cost you big time in a messed up bag lid if not more. Tire life sucks, 7500 miles or so. How can a lighter bike like the RT get 25% less tire life than the heavier ST1300 on the same tires? Don't know but I have experienced it personally. And my front tires wear out first?!? I don't even know how that is possible.

If you plan on some very long trips then life with the RT will be easier in the long run. The ST was better around town, commuting, shorter trips, but after a few multi day trips I wanted a divorce! If you can't get past missing the engine woosh then perhaps consider a K1200/1300.

Good luck, and I predict you'll be happy any way you go.
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Congratulations BobB, I'm sure you will enjoy your new ride. I've owned both the ST and the RT. No issues with either in the city, on the highway, through the twisties. Police departments all over the world ride both so most of the "downside" chat needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Thanks very much. I've now owned my 2007 RT for 2 years (purchased used in 2008) and I don't regret for a second my decision to leave the Honda ST. I don't put the miles on it the way some here do, but I can now actually take trips on it and ride the interstate (if I have too) without feeling like I'm floating on the bike. Plus the added benefit of better handling on the twistees.

My only complaint ( and a little off topic) is I can't really tell much, if any differece amoung the ESA settings. My warranty is up in June: I'm thinking of taking it in and having them check out the ESA to be sure all is as it should be.

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I was considering a ST1300 to replace my 00 R1100RT. I stopped at the Honda dealer and asked to test ride a ST. I was RUDELY told that they don't give test rides. I bought a 07 R1200RT a month later and love it. I guess Honda didn't want my 20K. Oh well.
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All good points. Mine are heat and handling. The RT is a "cool" ride and feels like a toy in comparison.


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I guess the local Honda shop here wants to sell bikes. I test rode the ST1300 and the Gold Wing. Still bought the RT.

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My only complaint ( and a little off topic) is I can't really tell much, if any differece amoung the ESA settings. My warranty is up in June: I'm thinking of taking it in and having them check out the ESA to be sure all is as it should be.

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Good idea. When the ride became very hard on my '06RT at about 19k miles, I discovered that even though the dash icon changed, the suspension was locked into the 2-up preload! You can check this by noticing that a few seconds after pushing the button to adjust pre-load, the icon should start flashing and the rear of the bike should perceptibly rise or fall accordingly. End result was a new rear shock and software re-flash under warranty (ca. $1700 for parts!!!). I understand that some riders got away with just a software update.

Checking the damping is harder. You might try re-riding the same section of (rough) road on both sport & comfort settings while also observing the action of the front forks.

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There must be something wrong with my bike. I use sixth all the time on the highway and regularly travel at 70-80 mph... I can't seem to get better than 45mpg.
I bought a NTM, 07 RT May 14th. Since then, I've added just under 2500 to the speedo. It now shows 34314 on the odo.

I rode home from Tucson via US191 - the former 666. I rode it hard for that 90 miles then droned it across US60 home at 85+. Some piddling around here in Clovis, then a ride to play in the mountains in CO. Back mountain roads most of the way - fought 65 mph side winds for about 60 miles on I-25 and got my butt to C. Springs to over night before heading home - in more high winds - gusting to 50.

Every tank of gas I've put in the bike has yielded 50+ mpg, topping at 51.8, except one tank. I got tied up in some traffic coming out of Trinidad, CO and had to run 5th gear. When traffic cleared and I could get on with it, I pulled a noob stunt and never shifted out of 5th until I was outside Las Vegas, NM and realized I needed gas - and noted I was still in 5th - for roughly 130 damn miles. That tank grabbed me a disappointing 41.6 mpg. Nope, the MPG wasn't disappointing - the moron riding the bike that far in 5th was my dissapointment.

My overall average - running 80/85 most of the time, including riding hard in the mountains and pushing really bad winds and the noob effort - is right at 48 mpg.

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One word WOW - how the hell do you that!! Inquiring minds want to know - noted I am still breaking in bike in and happy with 40
I certainly don't get 60mpg but the computer indicates I'm getting 52 and so do my calculations at the gas pump, and that's not highway cruising but charging hard in the twisties and 70mph on the connecting highways. I went 318miles during a 4000 mile ride last summer when it finally lit up the low fuel light. Oh, and I have ridden my friends ST prior to purchasing the RT and riding it helped me pick the RT. Like others have said, not a bad bike but the ammenities and fun factor are just not up to the RT's level.
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One word WOW - how the hell do you that!! Inquiring minds want to know - noted I am still breaking in bike in and happy with 40
I agree! as soon as I bring the bike over 65/mph my fuel drop of big time!
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By the way at 70 your looking at well over 60 miles per gallon.
I have ridden thousands of miles at 70 mph on my '05 and I have never averaged above 50mpg. And yes, I do know about sixth gear.
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Speed is a big issue on mpg on both these bikes. On my ST1300 the worst was 36MPG while fighting a head wind and running about 105 mph. Normally I got 43 to 45 mph at 70 mph. I made a few mods and the mileage went up to close to 50 mpg at highway speeds.

My RT is stock engine wise and does better with many rides yielding over 50 mpg. Bad figures seem to be around 44 mpg and good figures are about 52 mpg. Riding with others on the highway I get 50 to 52. Not bad for a touring bike.

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I had my ST1300 for 3 1/2 years and only put 16000 miles on it. I traded it for my R1200RT 7 months ago and have 10000 miles on the RT now. I just want to spend more time on the BMW. So much of motorcycling is subjective, it's what feels right for the rider.

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- the ST was HOT (as in roast your crotch hot), the RT is not
- the ST was heavy, the RT is not
- the ST engine was a rocket, the RT engine has all the power I need
- the ST was jittery on the interstate behind semis, the RT is stable
- brakes are a toss up
- I prefer the RT seating position
- I prefer the RT seat
- I prefer the RT handling
- the ST (other than the take your breath away acceleration) was boring, the ST has soul

And, I agree with Ajaxthedog89 ... what's up with the front tire wearing out faster than the rear. On the stock tires, I got 7000 out of the front and 9000 out of the rear.

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post #38 of 49 Old Jan 22nd, 2012, 10:37 am
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I can ride this thing at 80 with the cruise control on and sit with my hands in my lap. It is that smooth! By the way at 70 your looking at well over 60 miles per gallon.
Sure, if you are a midget that weighs 110 lbs.

I average about 41mpg and the best I have gotten was 51, but only once and that was on a long trip.

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Re: BMW R1200RT vs. Honda ST1300

I had an ST and now the RT with a GS in between the two. The ST was a good bike, but boring for me. Sure it was probably faster than the RT and did handle well, but boring all the same. It was very heavy, put out lots of heat, and sounded like a Jetsons car. I much prefer the light weight, cool running, tractor factor of the RT. I also think the RT has better wind protection than the Honda. Lastly, I do my own preventative maintenance and the RT is way easier to work on.

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I forgot to mention something in my post about mileage. Another big factor is the position of the windshield. I almost never have my windshield all the way up. Most of the time it is below my line of sight which is about 1/2 way. I did the same thing on my ST but the RT does a better job of spilling the air over my helmet.

You can easily see the effect on the ST using the instantaneous MPG reading on the trip computer.

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Sure, if you are a midget that weighs 110 lbs.

I average about 41mpg and the best I have gotten was 51, but only once and that was on a long trip.
+1 I've had similar milage experience as noted by Ponch.
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What's the best oil to use in a ST1300?


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I use a mix of peanut oil and coconut oil. Has a wonderful smell on cold starts.

Are you serious? I'm not! But..... When I switched from Honda and Mobile 1 to Silkolene I pretty much got rid of the clunk when going into 1st from neutral on a cold start. There are probably tons of oils that can do that also but too big of an experiment for me to conduct.

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Hi, Never rode the Honda. I have a couple of riding friends that have them, and they like the bike. As for your question about stability. I personally ride between 75-90 and will go faster if I am by myself on the road. Most of the riding is easily at 80. The bike is drama free at anything up to 110. Can't comment about sustained crusing above that speed as I really dont. I have taken the bike to 140 sustained for 10 miles. Again, rock solid! As I said, never ridden the Honda but the BMW constantly impresses. To further my confidence. I can ride this thing at 80 with the cruise control on and sit with my hands in my lap. It is that smooth! By the way at 70 your looking at well over 60 miles per gallon.

Oh and one final word. I was born in Greensboro. Just read your heading.
Wow over 60 mpg??????
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Re: BMW R1200RT vs. Honda ST1300

Must have been a loooooooooooong downhill section.............................or a hell of a tail wind............
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Wow over 60 mpg??????
Yes. But can he keep it upright at parking lot speeds????

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Yes. But can he keep it upright at parking lot speeds????
It wasn't him, but his pet chimp riding the RT.

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Actually if you have a strong tail wind and the adjustable windshield is in the full up position, it will act like a wind sail and catch a nice drift. I was able to get 61 mph this way.
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Re: BMW R1200RT vs. Honda ST1300

I currently own a 05 ST and will be taking a 06 RT for a test ride on Saturday. Is there anything in particular that I need to look for on a bike with 55k miles?
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