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post #1 of 26 Old May 15th, 2017, 10:27 am Thread Starter
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Anyone using BMW's Fuel Additive?

Anyone using BMW’s “Fuel System Cleaner Plus”? Talking to the dealer’s service manager the other day, he told me that BMW wants a dose added as part of the make-ready of my 2017 RTW. He said it had to do with providing some protection to the fuel pump (lubrication?). He also recommended adding this cleaner at the regular service interval. As a side note, he mentioned that his BMW regional rep considers the use of this additive when deciding warranty claims regarding the fuel pump (I wasn’t real clear on this point, but I was given the impression it was a big deal).

Contrasting this, nowhere in the manual do I see any mention of the use of this product. I’m sure its not a bad idea to run the stuff every few thousand miles, but he put much more emphasis on its importance.

I bought a bottle, and plan on using it, but I’m wondering if anyone has any insight on the importance of its use, specifically regarding the long-term health of the fuel pump. . . or is this just more dealership B.S.
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As a side note, he mentioned that his BMW regional rep considers the use of this additive when deciding warranty claims regarding the fuel pump (I wasn’t real clear on this point, but I was given the impression it was a big deal).
That right there is total BS. This additive is probably nothing more than a fuel injector cleaner.
Check in your manual if there is a specified interval in the maintenance section. I doubt you will find even a reference to this "mandatory" product.
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Re: Anyone using BMW's Fuel Additive?

When I purchased my '17 in Jan I was told about the additive. They said to use one bottle on a full tank every 3,000 miles and that it was to protect rubber parts from the ethanol now found at most gas pumps. I thought that the manufacturer took care of that issue long ago? I know it was a problem in my '79 RT. Anyway, I agree that if it's not in the Owner's Manual then you're safe from any 'denial' of warranty issue just because some representative just says so. All that said, I still use it since I normally use some type of gas additive, whether it be Lucas, Sta-bil, Techron, etc.
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If you needed this BMW additive to keep your warranty they would have to provide it free. That is the law.

We also need two things to keep our bikes fuel right.

We need something to neutralize phase separation from the corn juice in the gas. Which is basically keeping fuel and corn juice together and to help stop formation of water. You can see 3 layers in an example of phase separation.

Then we need to fight carbon and soot. This is where Techron or Sea Foam or one of the other fuel system cleaners available is used.

As far a lubrication of the fuel pump, gas going through it is doing that and cooling it also. One reason I only run down to the idiot gas light and a bit more as then I usually take 5.75 gallons or so.

Back in the day they sold a additive for water pumps to lubricate them. I never bought into them and never had a water pump go out.

Bottom line all this is your choice and not from some Dealer trying to strong arm you and scare you with BS.

Shame on your dealer!
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I'll stick with Seafoam. It helps burn out those corn cobs.
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Interesting that the BMW fuel additive has a bottle that looks so much like the Techron bottle.
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Interesting that the BMW fuel additive has a bottle that looks so much like the Techron bottle.
I have not seen it but you know BMW did not make it

Again I praise Yamaha Ring Free which is super Techron. I have used it for 15 years or so and I used Techron before it.

I had used Marine Sta Bil Blue for corn juice control again for its strength compared to normal Sta Bil Red.

About 5 years ago I switched to Star Tron. I think it helps not only on phase separation or treating corn juice, it has a bit of cleaner in it.

My thing is is why has not BMW changed every piece that comes into contact with gas Ethanol Proof? I thought they had went to Viton o-rings and gaskets long ago. If they are trying to sell fuel additive something is not right.

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I'll stick with Seafoam. It helps burn out those corn cobs.
I also like seafoam, and I keep the corn juice well mixed with the dinosaur juice just by riding a lot and use them up before they even think of separating!!!
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Re: Anyone using BMW's Fuel Additive?

I used a fuel additive in my R60/2s, but not in my R1200RT or R1200R.

In Wisconsin there are a lot of sources for ethanol-free gas. In Arizona there are none.

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Interesting that the BMW fuel additive has a bottle that looks so much like the Techron bottle.
Several years back when I owned my BMW 318ti the dealer had a fuel additive. The bottle was the same as the Chevron Techron you find at the service stations. After a while it came out that BMW was in fact using Chevron Techron in a rebranded bottle under contract charging more money for the same thing. If you want Techron then buy Chevron Gasoline, it comes free with the price of gas.
Seafoam is a very good additive. It is heavily concentrated. My suggestion is to use it occasionally and don't let the fuel sit in your tank for a long time. Burn the stuff through.

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I used a fuel additive in my R60/2s, but not in my R1200RT or R1200R.

In Wisconsin there are a lot of sources for ethanol-free gas. In Arizona there are none.

If you have many sources for corn free gas you are a lucky man. Here I have 1 station in 20 miles that is only one I know off and it is 87. It is also out of this world in price. And I wonder of the quality as many will not pay the price especially at 87, so how long has it sat in the tank. If it was 91 or 93 and I knew bikes were using it I would pay the price. At least for a few tanks to see what it is like.

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Out of curiosity what is a gallon of non corn welfare gas, and what octane is it?

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I've been using Amsoil's PI every 3K miles and since I cannot see inside my engine I think all is well?
When I bought my 2016 RTW, the dealer made an effort to push the BMW fuel additive as well?

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I'd expect that most bits in modern engines are made to tolerate ethanol by now. In addition to using only Tier 1 fuel whenever possible, the only fuel additive I've used regularly for years in cars and bikes is Techron -- bought by the case from Costco.
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Out of curiosity what is a gallon of non corn welfare gas, and what octane is it?
In Johnson City, TN the 93 octane, NO corn can be found for $2.79 per gallon. The "corn-fused" 93 octane ranges from $2.40 at Sam's Club to $2.55 at Shell.
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Here in QC and I think for the rest of Canada, Shell V-Power is ethanol free. (I know that Nova Scotia has no ethanol in any of their fuel no matter what the grade is)
I try to use it as much as I can.
Once in a while, especially when I ride a lot south of the border and I cannot find ethanol free gas, I put some Lucas fuel treatment.
I don't know if it really makes any difference though.

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In Johnson City, TN the 93 octane, NO corn can be found for $2.79 per gallon. The "corn-fused" 93 octane ranges from $2.40 at Sam's Club to $2.55 at Shell.

Here in PA we are paying 3.09 for 10% corn juice 93 Shell.

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I also use Seafoam but not really sure of any benefits ( I got a free case of it) as Safoam is:

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In reference to fuel additives we have been producing an additive for over 25 years that meets all the demands of the new fuels you are seeing today. If anyone wants more information just contact me. I can explain what the difference in the reasons for using additives and when you use a proper additive it will not void warranty. I have been dealing with large engine companies from Germany and have been down this road.
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I try to always us Chevron because it has the very good additive package. But when I go to California even the Chevron fuel make my bike ping like a pinball machine. I have to carry blue Stabil to stop it from pinging.

I was in Iowa last month and saw this at the gas station. I wish we had that option here in Nevada... Not sure how 87 is "Super" Unleaded...
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Here in PA we are paying 3.09 for 10% corn juice 93 Shell.
Yeah, you guys in PA must have some extra hefty taxes added to make those prices! I am saying this in all seriousness, because almost all of my rides takes me from OH into PA, and I usually sees about 30 cents (or thereabout) jump in gas price going from one town in OH to another just over the border in PA!

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Yeah, you guys in PA must have some extra hefty taxes added to make those prices! I am saying this in all seriousness, because almost all of my rides takes me from OH into PA, and I usually sees about 30 cents (or thereabout) jump in gas price going from one town in OH to another just over the border in PA!
Yes we are number 1 with a bullet in the entire USA at 58 cents per gallon for state tax alone.

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Yes we are number 1 with a bullet in the entire USA at 58 cents per gallon.
Well we in the UK are currently in the order of $1.47 per liter (minimum), so that works out at $5.56 per US gallon.
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Well we in the UK are currently in the order of $1.47 per liter (minimum), so that works out at $5.56 per US gallon.
I feel sorry for you if you are paying 5.56 a gallon in TAX alone. If that is the case what does a gallon of gas cost you on top of that 5.56 tax?

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I feel sorry for you if you are paying 5.56 a gallon in TAX alone. If that is the case what does a gallon of gas cost you on top of that 5.56 tax?
I don't know if that was tax alone, but when I was in Scotland in 2015, I made a point of not looking. Just fill up and pay, and it was "silly money" anyway.....!

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I just came back from the UK on Wednesday and the price was US $6.37 per US Gallon for regular unleaded.

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I try to always us Chevron because it has the very good additive package. But when I go to California even the Chevron fuel make my bike ping like a pinball machine. I have to carry blue Stabil to stop it from pinging.
Fascinating. Have a read on this post I made awhile back. Several responders from non-California states said they heard this too:

Is the soft fluttering sound that happens from 3000 to 3800 rpm under load...

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