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post #1 of 33 Old Feb 2nd, 2017, 9:11 am Thread Starter
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This looks new, for locking/unlocking your Nav V: Wunderlich Navigation security kit R1200RT LC - black
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This looks new, for locking/unlocking your Nav V: Wunderlich Navigation security kit R1200RT LC - black
I guess I hope they sell some since they put an effort into coming up with something.
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I don't find it on the Wunderlich America website yet.....?????
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Interesting. I'm no industrial designer, but there's got to be a simpler approach.
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No thanks. I'll just put it in its case and in one of my locked bags. That thing is huge! And ugly, IMHO.
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Probably most important that it functions as a glare shield, since that is a bigger problem with the Nav V. But ouch, that price!
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No thanks. I'll just put it in its case and in one of my locked bags. That thing is huge! And ugly, IMHO.
Agree! At that price, I will continue to pop the Nav V off and put it into the left tank compartment and lock it there. Actually, at any price, I wouldn't buy one!
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Probably most important that it functions as a glare shield, since that is a bigger problem with the Nav V. But ouch, that price!
The only problem is it's hardly going to make a difference as a glare shield--doesn't look like it will provide enough shielding to matter.

Here's my $3.00 solution to glare w/ Nav V. It's basically stiff plastic sprayed black and its sides are hinged using black gorilla tape. It really works! You really need the side panels to catch sunlight coming in laterally. Plus bonus, comes off easily and folds and can be stored in my trunk. I leave Nav V off except for trips as thankfully I can still find my way home locally ;o)

$1.99 white plastic cutting board from Ace Hardware
$0.15 worth of black gorilla tape
$0.15 worth of Krylon Fusion plastic spray paint--it really sticks!
$.80 worth of velcro tape--I bought the kind that will attach to fabric w/o sewing. Note I have a strip also on the top exterior part of the GPS Prep--I have its mate on the collar of my riding jackets so that when I want to leave my helmet and Nav V on the bike for fairly low-risk situations my jacket will stay put and drapes over my helmet which I sit on the gas tank between the handlebars. Yes, of course it's not truly secure but at least obscures what's happening underneath it. If I'm not going to be able to really monitor what's happening the Nav V goes with me or in a locked cubby.





You don't see the glare off the satin black paint from my riding viewing angle, but flat instead of satin black would solve that. The side panels have a no-drip bend in them at the bottom--the cutting board piece came that way and as it turns out it stabilizes them anyway, so it works!


Sorry, fuzzy. I'm folding it flat...
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i have a shelf on my RT so it cuts the glare.... but i think im gonna farkle this on my old GS....
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Cool idea, NoelCP. I wonder if a trip to Staples for a lightweight binder with a black plastic cover would eliminate the painting step. Just a thought.
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Glare stomper is only $16. Folds up nicely and still fits in my Nav5 Case.

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Still not really secure. Use and adjustable wrench to remove the nut. Remove the two screws even and pop it off. Sure it will detract the on the spur theft but not someone who is really after one.
Also I have a shelf so those screws are already in use on my bike.


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Cool idea, NoelCP. I wonder if a trip to Staples for a lightweight binder with a black plastic cover would eliminate the painting step. Just a thought.
Probably so. I had the paint already so didn't need to look too hard for black plastic, though hard to beat thru-and-thru color. The cutting mat is quite stiff though which is good I think. I used the paint for my prior F800GT for mounting a cheap small plastic box on the bars. I kept a couple of moist 4x5" sponges in it that I used to wipe my visor and it made riding in the agricultural hotbed I live in so much nicer. I would just pop open the hinged lid, grab a sponge, swipe two times and the air flow dried it off so fast it completely cleared my visor. At 6'4" tall I never found a windscreen I was happy with that would block bug hits. I also repaired scuffs on the side the panniers from a zero speed drop and they came out perfect. Krylon Fusion is so good you can paint polyethylene/polypropylene w/ very little prep and get it to stick well. The paint job on the plastic box never needed repainted in 2y of use, which is amazing for painted poly.

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There is an easy and FREE way to keep your Nav from being easily removed.

Just remove the pushbutton!

This is a little more difficult than it appears, but I will explain.
Remove the windshield (4 torx screws) and the two torx screws that hold on the cover panel above the Nav. do this carefully as to not damage the Nav button or the mounting tabs on the plastic cover panel. You will then have access to the Nav pushbutton.

There is a plastic spur on the button that keeps it from falling out of it's mount. Push it in to remove the button and file or shave down the spur so that it no longer will keep the button in place.

Now you can slide the button in and out and keep it in the lockable compartment on the RT fairing. Buy a small black rubber stopper at a hardware store and insert it into the button shaft hole. Shave down the two opposite sides to make if fit better and look like the original Nav button.

Certainly, a dedicated thief will stop at nothing to get the Nav if they really want it but this makes it a great deal more difficult to remove since you have the "Key" (Button) located somewhere else.

The button shaft is quite long and gets rather thin at the point where it engages the release on the Nav Mount. So you would need a very thin screwdriver and know exactly where to put it in order to release the lock.

If you mess it up, a new button is only a few bucks from BMW.

Works for me... and it's free!

Bye-the-bye... the GlareStomper is a reasonable way to keep some glare and reflections off the screen, it's cheap, removable, folds up and doesn't look like a hack job.
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Well I want one. Not suprising right?

First is just for the sun shade! Yes I have used the mentioned product and it is a nice product but with putting the Velcro around the GPS, even my old 2820, I did not care for. I did have it on my 660 I just replaced after 10 years so I am not knocking the product as it works.

As is said, and will ALWAYS be true is, locks only keep honest people out. A determined thief will take what is yours if he or she wants it bad enough. I like this as it will stop the thief of opportunity, meaning not gonna take it if it is any hassle or will draw attention to myself to get me caught. That is all I expect of this device. I want to be able to walk in and pay for my gas and get a drink while my bike sits in a relatively close proximity to me. I always throw my jacket over the shield and dash to cover it anyway.

As far as removal, with a shield down those torx are hard to get at and you would need to know the nut size and carry that with you. Not something a thief of opportunity would have. Also it looks like that bend that comes down helps cover that nut from general sight. We are seeing the pictures strait on or pointed a little upwards, not looking at it from standing beside the bike.

I like it as it has potential to mount other things on it. I am not sure what, but my Fast Pass for the Turnpike comes to mind right away.

If I go to eat and can not look out a window and see my bike, everything comes off and goes in cases. I like this for quick stops for a little piece of mind but it does not take the place of full lock up of overnight parking or a sketchy neighborhood.

Not listed on the US site so I sent an e-mail. I can live without it, but I see value and uses for it.

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There is an easy and FREE way to keep your Nav from being easily removed.

Just remove the pushbutton!

This is a little more difficult than it appears, but I will explain.
Remove the windshield (4 torx screws) and the two torx screws that hold on the cover panel above the Nav. do this carefully as to not damage the Nav button or the mounting tabs on the plastic cover panel. You will then have access to the Nav pushbutton.

There is a plastic spur on the button that keeps it from falling out of it's mount. Push it in to remove the button and file or shave down the spur so that it no longer will keep the button in place.

Now you can slide the button in and out and keep it in the lockable compartment on the RT fairing. Buy a small black rubber stopper at a hardware store and insert it into the button shaft hole. Shave down the two opposite sides to make if fit better and look like the original Nav button.

Certainly, a dedicated thief will stop at nothing to get the Nav if they really want it but this makes it a great deal more difficult to remove since you have the "Key" (Button) located somewhere else.

The button shaft is quite long and gets rather thin at the point where it engages the release on the Nav Mount. So you would need a very thin screwdriver and know exactly where to put it in order to release the lock.

If you mess it up, a new button is only a few bucks from BMW.

Works for me... and it's free!
Curious about this so I did as you stated and removed the button from mine. I did not "shave down or remove the tab" as you did opting instead to leave the spring tab intact and fabricated my own "pusher" rod from a piece of plastic (actually a telephone wire installation tool) that I keep on a key ring in the front glovebox along with the NAV cover plate. I bought a PVC plastic tube end cap to push back in the open hole of the tupperware just for looks.

The original button I put away in my garage and since I did not modify the bike in any way, I can return the bike to 100% stock by simply pushing the button back in through the open hole - it will slide in and catch the spring tab once again and function just like it did when new. No need to remove the windshield and tupperware again.

I may buy a replacement button from BMW anyway (~$8) and modify it so that I can use it to plug the hole instead of the PVC tube cap: It can be cut down in length and inserted into the hole so that it is flush or just below flush with the tupperware. Probably drill a very small hole in the end with which I can use a small pick to remove it when I need to remove the NAV.

Not difficult or time consuming - hardest part is getting the button and the 2 halves of the tupperware separated. If anyone is interested, I can post a few pictures.

Note that I would never leave the NAV on the bike if I will be away for any length of time: I would only leave it on the bike for short breaks and this method would keep the casual passerby from just nabbing the NAV in a few seconds. Not too many people would even know how to do that so this is just a little extra piece of mind. I have almost dropped the NAV already so the less remove/install I do when stopping the better. Would hate to drop it and break it because I am trying to keep it safe from thieves.
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There is also another way to remove the Nav button without taking off the windshield and tupperware which can be fiddly - that is if you are willing to modify the original button.

Remove the NAV from the cradle and drill a hole in the button so that you can insert a paper clip or similar into the hole to release the tang. With the tang pushed, just pull the button out. You will still need to fabricate an alternate button or modify your existing button to keep with you when you need to remove the NAV but you can buy a replacement button (~$8) to keep as a backup that you can put back in to return the bike to stock. Just be careful that you only drill through the thin wall of the button and not all the way into the tang itself (or deeper - yikes!). Only drilling about 1/32" deep or so.........

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Just curious--I wonder how many of you leave Nav V on the bike for run of the mill daily local riding. I never have, I just use it when I go OOT and need GPS. Same goes for my side cases--they are parked in the man cave and only come out for long trips essentially.

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I also leave the side cases off except for trips, but like running the Nav always. One (of a number of) feature on it I am kinda spoiled by is the speed readout and speed limits for wherever I am. I usually try to park where I can see it and don't bother with removing it unless I am going to be away from the bike for a longer period of time like a meal or something.

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Since it wasnt on the USA site I sent off a e-mail on availability. 2 weeks or so.

Cost is 149.00 plus aprox 10 shipping.

I am gonna have to pass and just keep on doing it the way I do. I like it and I do think it will save a opportunist thief, I have invested all play money to a a ongoing project anyway.

Guys been saying a screw driver prying up on it ripping it out of the dash, and turning out the bolt and other things but a guy walking buy can pop that button, catch that GPS, and be by the bike in like 3 seconds without breaking stride.

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Just curious--I wonder how many of you leave Nav V on the bike for run of the mill daily local riding.
I have the GPS on most of the time, same goes for side cases but top box and tank bag is only on the bike when travelling.

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Just curious--I wonder how many of you leave Nav V on the bike for run of the mill daily local riding. I never have, I just use it when I go OOT and need GPS. Same goes for my side cases--they are parked in the man cave and only come out for long trips essentially.
I leave it on the bike most of the time. If I'm parked where I can't keep an eye on it, I put it in my tank bag, hit the quick release on the bag and take it with me. My SW Motech tank bag has a nice carry handle, which makes it pretty simple and easy.

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At the rate I DON'T use Nav V, it will be essentially brand new 5 years from now. Really helpful on trips and right now w/ the Waterworld we live in in Nor Cal this year trips are still a ways out. Now if they make a programming update to allow My Moto data to display for '16 RT as they now do for '17 RT I would definitely keep it on the bike for routine riding. Maybe they will allow a code update if that's all it takes. About the only reason though is so I can display TPM & ambient temp at the same time Ever since watching TPM display in realtime my real tire pressure dropping as I was accelerating on a freeway onramp on my F800GT I've been hooked on having TPM values on display all the time

What would be too cool for BMW Navigator would be two features: 1, radar detection displayed off the the side like the offramp graphic is, i.e. using that portion of the display to indicate radar/laser detection--you just buy the sensor which of course is made by BMW and fits somewhere it ought too nice and discreet like; and 2, I would love to have a rear camera view accessible thru the wonder wheel and displaying on Nav V. They're dirt cheap, waterproof rearview video cameras. This way you could see stuff approaching fast on your 6, and nice for backing up out of parking etc. About the time this RT needs upgraded to the next bike maybe those two features will be there.

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At the rate I DON'T use Nav V, it will be essentially brand new 5 years from now. Really helpful on trips and right now w/ the Waterworld we live in in Nor Cal this year trips are still a ways out. Now if they make a programming update to allow My Moto data to display for '16 RT as they now do for '17 RT I would definitely keep it on the bike for routine riding. Maybe they will allow a code update if that's all it takes. About the only reason though is so I can display TPM & ambient temp at the same time Ever since watching TPM display in realtime my real tire pressure dropping as I was accelerating on a freeway onramp on my F800GT I've been hooked on having TPM values on display all the time

What would be too cool for BMW Navigator would be two features: 1, radar detection displayed off the the side like the offramp graphic is, i.e. using that portion of the display to indicate radar/laser detection--you just buy the sensor which of course is made by BMW and fits somewhere it ought too nice and discreet like; and 2, I would love to have a rear camera view accessible thru the wonder wheel and displaying on Nav V. They're dirt cheap, waterproof rearview video cameras. This way you could see stuff approaching fast on your 6, and nice for backing up out of parking etc. About the time this RT needs upgraded to the next bike maybe those two features will be there.
I wish BMW Motorrad would get with the program and, similar to most of the car manufacturers, just have a screen that pairs with your mobile device. Let the mobile device be the "brains" of the GPS system and just have a touch sensitive screen to manage the data. I would think that would be far less expensive than the $900 for a free standing unit which duplicates what your phone is already capable of. This would also give access to music on the phone. Since this technology already exists in cars, it just seems simple to make it motorcycle capable.

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I wish BMW Motorrad would get with the program and, similar to most of the car manufacturers, just have a screen that pairs with your mobile device. Let the mobile device be the "brains" of the GPS system and just have a touch sensitive screen to manage the data. I would think that would be far less expensive than the $900 for a free standing unit which duplicates what your phone is already capable of. This would also give access to music on the phone. Since this technology already exists in cars, it just seems simple to make it motorcycle capable.


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So what happens when you have poor or no cell service?
CoPilot and Locus are two Android apps that I use - all the map data is stored on the phone, just like a dedicated GPS. No cellular service or data plan is needed. You don't even need a SIM card. iGO Navigation is similar, available for both Android and Apple, and is the software used by many auto manufacturers for their built-in navigation systems. Google Maps lets you download map data to the phone via WiFi or cellular if you know in advance you will be going to an area without cellular service.

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Cell phones have GPS chips. No need for cell signal. I've used maps.me, offline maps app.
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Cell phones have GPS chips. No need for cell signal. I've used maps.me, offline maps app.
Not a big fan but it works.


Cell phones have assisted GPS, and are heavily reliant on cell or wifi. What about maps and directions? Won't have those in the hinterlands. Don't get me wrong. I MUCH prefer my smartphone navigation apps. They put the NAV5 to shame.


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Just received email from Wunderlich USA in California. It has the navigation security kid on order, but it is still in production.

If you want to be notified when the kit is here, contact: edward@wunderlichamerica.com

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post #30 of 33 Old Feb 10th, 2017, 4:21 pm
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Re: Kit to lock SatNav to RT

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Cell phones have assisted GPS, and are heavily reliant on cell or wifi. What about maps and directions? Won't have those in the hinterlands. Don't get me wrong. I MUCH prefer my smartphone navigation apps. They put the NAV5 to shame.


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No need for cell towers if the cell is equipped with a GPS chip. For maps, there are plenty of free and pay apps that have downloadable maps. I use maps.me. It's free. I use it on a tablet without cell support and no WiFi in the area.

I'm not discussing your preferences as I think it all depends on what you use the device for and how you use it. If it serves your purpose, it's fine.
Otherwise the discussion tends to go the PC/Mac/Linux, etc route. It's pointless.

ps to get back on topic, the lock is interesting. If BMW couldn't provide a way to lock the NAV, it's great that others find good solutions.

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post #31 of 33 Old Feb 14th, 2017, 4:45 pm
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Re: Kit to lock SatNav to RT

Hi WillH,

I'm curious to see exactly what you've done - it sounds like the most attractive interim solution to me. I'm not looking for real "security", I don't think that is possible even with the GSs lovely lockable mount, what I do want is to be able to go in and pay for fuel and expect to get back to the bike with the sat-nav where I left it! The as-original-set-up is just far to easy for the light fingered brigade to help themselves.

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post #32 of 33 Old Feb 14th, 2017, 7:52 pm
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Re: Kit to lock SatNav to RT

Has anyone actually had their NAV stolen from their RT? If so, where was it parked? Where were you? How long were you away from your RT when the NAV disappeared? (Now, was it recovered?)

First-hand reports only, please.

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post #33 of 33 Old Feb 15th, 2017, 10:18 am
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Re: Kit to lock SatNav to RT

Here is a photo of the back side of the housing that shows how the button is held in place. Just a simple plastic tang that rides in the slot of the button.

There may be more than the two ways I have mentioned to remove the button but with the button being so inexpensive from BMW, drilling a small hole in the existing button and using a paper clip from the front side of the bike is probably the simplest. Then buy another button to store away in the event you sell the bike or wish to return back to stock - Since you won't be damaging the plastic tang, the button should slide back in and the tang will reengage once again.

Once the button is removed, you can use your own creativity with regard to fashioning an alternate button that is removeable. One idea I had was to fill the slot in the button with epoxy and sand it flush so that the tang will no longer engage the slot in the button which would allow you to keep the original button in the tupperware for looks and function but still be able to remove it when you want to step away from the bike for a few minutes. Another idea (the one that I have chosen) is to fabricate a separate tool that will engage the lock release and keep this tool in the front storage box and then modify the original button by cutting off the slot portion entirely so that I can put it back in the tupperware for appearance - once you cut it off, it will no longer extend deep enough to engage the release mechanism of the NAV. You can attach some type of "nib" the end of the button so that you can insert and remove it easily or, drill a hole and use some type of small pick tool that you would keep in the storage box.

I can post more pictures later - I am heading out of town for a few days.
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