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post #1 of 26 Old Jan 10th, 2017, 7:26 am Thread Starter
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2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

Does anyone else have a 2016 wet head Rt 1200 Rt and find that they are a rattly engine ??. I asked the dealership about mine at the first service he told me the wet heads are rattly. I just think it sounds and seems as if the tappets are knocking or a gudgeon pin type knock, to be honest it is only at lower speeds and in the first 2 gears when you can hear it. The bike runs great and has no issues that I am aware of.Just would like to know if anyone else finds the same noise. Love to hear your thoughts ?
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Does anyone else have a 2016 wet head Rt 1200 Rt and find that they are a rattly engine ??. I asked the dealership about mine at the first service he told me the wet heads are rattly. I just think it sounds and seems as if the tappets are knocking or a gudgeon pin type knock, to be honest it is only at lower speeds and in the first 2 gears when you can hear it. The bike runs great and has no issues that I am aware of. Just would like to know if anyone else finds the same noise. Love to hear your thoughts ?
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Yes, very much so, from the minute I picked up my 2016 RT. I was concerned about it. Dealer said it was fine, would get better as it broke in. 16,000 miles later it still rattles. I have got better ear plugs and have ignored it, but at 3000-4000 on a slight pull, 3rd or 4th gear, it hits harmony.
I have checked my cam lifter clearance myself at 12000 and found all in spec.
I am unhappy about the rattle as compared to other mark motorcycles, but I cant stop riding this RT...!
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Re: 2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

For what it is worth... my '14 does not seem ratty at all.

or... is the comment from the OP just about the 16's?
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Re: 2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

I came from a Honda ST1300 which was the definition of smoothness, so by comparison a boxer, even a wethead, is a bit rattly. But any bike motor is a mechanical device, an internal combustion engine, things are moving around, opening and closing. The heads on a boxer are way out in the open, not tucked away inside somewhere, so more of those mechanisms can be heard.

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Re: 2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

Hmmmm. Is this about '16 RTs? My '15 RT is not "ratty" at all. In all aspects it is just a wonderful motorcycle. That is assuming I understand what you mean by "ratty".

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For what it is worth... my '14 does not seem ratty at all.

or... is the comment from the OP just about the 16's?
I have never heard a rattle on my 14 RT either.
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Re: 2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

Could that be related to the clutch slave cylinder recall on some '16 RTs?
I seem to remember reading that one of the symptoms was a rattle at idle when in neutral.

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Does anyone else have a 2016 wet head Rt 1200 Rt and find that they are a rattly engine ??.
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Yes Geoff, this appears normal for these engines. My guess is: 1, your hearing is decent and 2, you're not using effective ear plugs, emphasis on effective.

I thought this sound was possibly pre-ignition, so asked about it here right after I bought my '16:

Is the soft fluttering sound that happens from 3000 to 3800 rpm under load...

You will note wethead RTs from other model years manifest the same/similar rattling sound. The dealer's explanation is that is has to do w/ where injector actuators are located and a few other design changes leading to reflection of these sounds off of the fairing on the RT models, whereas w/ GT and naked wethead model's it's less obvious. I was concerned enough that I wanted to test ride another one after talking to the dealer, they kindly obliged and the brand new one was identical, so yes it's just a feature of this motorcycle. I use 3M 29dB NNR plugs fully inserted and this obscures this sound 100% for me, plus also improves music sound quality from the SENA 10R headset I use. I do ride short hops w/o plugs, and it might have improved a little now at 18K miles, but it's still there.

My sense is responses from others on the thread who don't experience this is that their hearing likely is impaired at the frequency this type of sound involves, and/or they use plugs consistently.
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Could that be related to the clutch slave cylinder recall on some '16 RTs?
I seem to remember reading that one of the symptoms was a rattle at idle when in neutral.

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A possibility! I don't consider my '15 to rattle either. OTOH, if one is not used to the boxer, one might think that the engine rattles.
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Re: 2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

If the noise that you're referring to sounds like ping (pre-ignition) my '14 does it as well. Mine changes character with engine load / throttle which leads me to believe that it really is pre-ignition. I can make it go away entirely if I maintain speed with little load on the engine. The dealership has told me that it's 'normal' although they couldn't explain as to what was causing it. I did ride a demo bike at the time and that one did it as well. Haven't heard of any engines blowing up so I guess that's good. Would still like a credible explanation though.
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A possibility! I don't consider my '15 to rattle either. OTOH, if one is not used to the boxer, one might think that the engine rattles.
Exactly I had never rode a boxer. I did find at first it was noisy. Then I looked at how the motor is made, and works, in a BMW DVD. Still not convinced I asked others in our BMW Motorcycle club and they said sounds about right to us.

I have listened to it with and without ear plugs and find the sound fine now. Does take a bit to get used to for new boxer riders, at least for me it did.
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Yes, very much so, from the minute I picked up my 2016 RT. I was concerned about it. Dealer said it was fine, would get better as it broke in. 16,000 miles later it still rattles. I have got better ear plugs and have ignored it, but at 3000-4000 on a slight pull, 3rd or 4th gear, it hits harmony.
I have checked my cam lifter clearance myself at 12000 and found all in spec.
I am unhappy about the rattle as compared to other mark motorcycles, but I cant stop riding this RT...!
Keep posting on what you find.
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I am ok with it as long as it is normal . I had a RT back in the early 90`s as it was a completely different engine back then I understand that the oil head against the wet head to meet the Euro specs has changed a lot. I am not worried about wearing plugs as I am deaf anyway and wear hearing aids when I am not riding so ,I guess what I am saying is I can still hear the rattle but if it is normal then I am ok with it. As for the bike it is everything my Victory was not and everything I remember the older RT, I had was plus more. I love the handling, torque ,and how wonderful it is every time I ride it. Thanks to everyone that replied it has made me feel a lot better ,plus confirms the mechanic that did the first service was not just bull shitting to me.

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Re: 2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

My Wethead, now at 26,000 miles, has more engine noise than my Oilhead did. Noises I cannot explain, but have had since new and have heard in other Wetheads. They are the same now as when new, I expect they will be the same at 150,000 miles. Truly "normal".
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I commented on my 14 when the dealer started it the first time. It was much noisier than I expected it to be. It is not as noisy now as it was (or not as noticable, may have just gotten used to it) but there is still some tapping similar to your description at near 30K miles. No issues, just noisy compared to the jap bikes. Steve
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To borrow from a song by Tom Petty: "Just the normal noises in here."

My F800GT sounded like it had rocks in the engine...........

Ear plugs work wonders.
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I have a 14 and don't think the engine rattles, gearbox clunky yes. But I did come from Harley so the BMW is like a Rolls Royce
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I have a 14 and don't think the engine rattles, gearbox clunky yes. But I did come from Harley so the BMW is like a Rolls Royce
I came from a Victory Cross Roads and too be honest I loved the Victory it was just as comfortable as the BMW but the BMW has more handling characteristic features lol plus a shit load more torque ,it is like my old oil head RT except the noise and better than I ever remember the older RT was way back in the 90`s.. I could never see me going back to any other bike than the BMW`s may be the next one might be a K1600GTL that I was so close to buying this time round lol. But by that time I might be too old as Iam 62 now lol.
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Every engine is going to make some noise. Certain noises are pleasing to some and drive other people batty and completely imperceptible to others. I love the sewing machine sound that my RT makes. I have and hear the same noise that you're referring to. I call it more of a clattering than a rattle. To me it sounds like valve clatter or ignition knock. I've reported it to the dealer and I've been told it's normal which I'm sure it is. It takes a lot of engineering push to produce over 100hp/liter and still meet emissions regulations.

I seriously considered the K1600GT when purchasing. That engine is sooo smooth and pulls like crazy but I couldn't get over the whining noise from the timing chain. I've put some miles on them and I wanted to turn around and park it because the noise was that aggravating to me. Even with earplugs. My friend has one and he can't understand what I'm talking about. He loves it.




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Does anyone else have a 2016 wet head Rt 1200 Rt and find that they are a rattly engine ??. I asked the dealership about mine at the first service he told me the wet heads are rattly. I just think it sounds and seems as if the tappets are knocking or a gudgeon pin type knock, to be honest it is only at lower speeds and in the first 2 gears when you can hear it. The bike runs great and has no issues that I am aware of.Just would like to know if anyone else finds the same noise. Love to hear your thoughts ?
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Take that baby up to 100 mph in 3 rd gear you will not hear a noisy engine!!
I thought everyone does that regularly anyway I know there is never a ride go by without getting somewhere near that or a bit more a few time on the ride lol.
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Coming from a Harley Cop Bike the 2015 RTP is quiet. But when compared to my GTL with Akra's it is loud. Last year I put 7500 on the GTL and 14500 on the RTP. The RTP did sound like it had loose tappets but it is quieter since the 12000 mile service.


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I thought it was just me but the right side of my '16 all of a sudden started to sound like a pinball machine. I didn't notice it before (or I didn't care). It only has 5,000 miles on it and I thought I had better get it in to the dealer. I could really hear it pinging even with earplugs in. It was really bad starting from a stop and then smoothed out.

Come to find out that it was to much alcohol in the gas I had gotten in Barstow and LA. After refueling with fuel in LV the pinball effect is not as bad as it was. That said, the fuel shouldn't be that different between states. Who Knows!!!

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Does anyone else have a 2016 wet head Rt 1200 Rt and find that they are a rattly engine ??. I asked the dealership about mine at the first service he told me the wet heads are rattly. I just think it sounds and seems as if the tappets are knocking or a gudgeon pin type knock, to be honest it is only at lower speeds and in the first 2 gears when you can hear it. The bike runs great and has no issues that I am aware of.Just would like to know if anyone else finds the same noise. Love to hear your thoughts ?
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I also have a 2016 RT with 8,000+miles. My bike only rattles on a cold start up. It last for about 1 second.. then smooth. Im 64 and my last 4 bikes in the last 44 years were Harley Davidson so this bike to me is very quite and smooth!

My only complaint is the clutch. To me it engages way to early. Of course my BMW dealer assured me I had no idea what I was talking about. I heard there was a recall on the clutch...dealer denied that.
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I also have a 2016 RT with 8,000+miles. My bike only rattles on a cold start up. It last for about 1 second.. then smooth. Im 64 and my last 4 bikes in the last 44 years were Harley Davidson so this bike to me is very quite and smooth!



My only complaint is the clutch. To me it engages way to early. Of course my BMW dealer assured me I had no idea what I was talking about. I heard there was a recall on the clutch...dealer denied that.


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My '16 is not rattlingly at all. I'd say it's pretty darn quiet
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Re: 2016 RT wet heads rattly engine ?

Hit and miss here. Have had a '14, '15 and '17 RT...also a '13 and '16 GS. The only one to rattle was the '13 GS...I bought it used with 11,000 miles. The current '17 seems to be the smoothest, quietest thus far (only 600 miles). On the '13, seemed cam chain was the source of most noise. With GS's geared lower, running higher rpm's, without buffering of fairing, certainly accentuates noise levels.


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