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Iliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?

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Straight forward question for straight forward answers gents.

For those of you that have the Iliumworks or Wunderlich crash bars on a 2014+ R1200RTW...what do you like or dislike about them. Also, anyone with a real world tip over or slide using either is appreciated.

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I liked the looks of the Ilium works engine bars, easy to installed, also my clearwater lights mounted on them and also highway pegs. I liked the wunderlich pannier crash bars, easy to install. No complaints on neither of them. Hope that helps!
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Greetings,

Straight forward question for straight forward answers gents.

For those of you that have the Iliumworks or Wunderlich crash bars on a 2014+ R1200RTW...what do you like or dislike about them. Also, anyone with a real world tip over or slide using either is appreciated.

Winter is among us, so the projects can begin.

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I went with the Iliumworks. They look nice and the highway pegs mount nicely on them. They haven't been tested yet.


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I installed front and rear Ilium bars. The install was very easy. I liked the smaller profile of the rear bars and that the rear bars can be removed leaving the base mounting plate inplace.

Go to Ilium web site and watch the install video for both front and rear. Then locate the video that shows them testing out the bars. Both sets of bars including tax came to a bit over $ 800 clams but as I age the comfort of knowing I have some protection just in case.
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My experience with both of these can be found in here:

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I went with the Illium's because I liked the grey color ones better. And I liked how they only came out in front of the cylinders. I felt that was the the kind of protection it needed. They didn't have the rear guards out yet, but I plan on getting those too.

If this doesn't convince you the Illium's will work...

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I liked the looks of the Ilium works engine bars, easy to installed, also my clearwater lights mounted on them and also highway pegs. I liked the wunderlich pannier crash bars, easy to install. No complaints on neither of them. Hope that helps!
This is what I did in Silver color.

I liked the front Ilium as I do not believe you need to remove for a valve check. There are others you need to remove.

I liked the rear as they are higher and give me a tie down point for my travel/trip 40 L bags. If you run with a passenger it may be a problem with them and how close the are to their legs.

My SO has her own bike so I am just the pack mule

I do like using the rear to help getting the bike on the center stand also. It seems to give me better leverage. Better then the hand grab was. I have to admit they have been on my bike since I have had it so that may just be what I am used to.

Install on both was pretty easy so no issues there.

Both are quality products.

I also have lights and foot pegs hanging off the Ilium Works front bars.
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Be aware that the Wunderlich engine guard WILL interfere with the removal of your valve covers, and therefore must be loosen in order to get your valve covers off! That can be a bit of a pain in the you-know-where!

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+1 For Illium. Very well made and appear as if they came as standard equipment from the factory.


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Greetings,

Straight forward question for straight forward answers gents.

For those of you that have the Iliumworks or Wunderlich crash bars on a 2014+ R1200RTW...what do you like or dislike about them. Also, anyone with a real world tip over or slide using either is appreciated.

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I have Illiumworks front and rear, excellent product!!!!! They were recommended by my Dealer.... according to them, if the bike should fall, the bars will NOT bend and fold like others have experienced with the Wunderlich bars.

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I went with the Illium's because I liked the grey color ones better. And I liked how they only came out in front of the cylinders. I felt that was the the kind of protection it needed. They didn't have the rear guards out yet, but I plan on getting those too.

If this doesn't convince you the Illium's will work...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a4Jtl_ehG8
Great invitation to Wunderlich to do the same thing. I would also like to see Ilium let it drop on the right side.
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Great invitation to Wunderlich to do the same thing. I would also like to see Ilium let it drop on the right side.
Actually, Wunderlich was the one that did it first.....5 years ago! No, I am not a Wunderlich fan.

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Actually, Wunderlich was the one that did it first.....5 years ago! No, I am not a Wunderlich fan.
I'd say the Ilium demo was more impressive, as it was a DROP onto asphalt, not just gently laying the bike on it's side. From the scratches on the rear bar, it looks like Ilium had several preceding "takes".

Wunderlich showed the static bag-ground clearance, Ilium showed the bars in action. Though slowing that last camera angle down to .25 speed makes me think the pannier might have touched the ground on the first bounce.

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I'd say the Ilium demo was more impressive, as it was a DROP onto asphalt, not just gently laying the bike on it's side. From the scratches on the rear bar, it looks like Ilium had several preceding "takes".

Wunderlich showed the static bag-ground clearance, Ilium showed the bars in action. Though slowing that last camera angle down to .25 speed makes me think the pannier might have touched the ground on the first bounce.
Exactly. A "lay down" from Wunderlic is NOT the same as a complete drop as shown by Ilium.
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Re: Iliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?

My 2016 R1200RT has both the luggage bars and the engine bars. silver ones. They are expensive, but high-quality and easy to install.

I had the BMW supplied head guards on my 2015RT and they were useless and a waste of money.

Here are my expectations from the Wunderlich bars

- Protect the bike from stupid stuff like it falling over while being parked.
- They are nice to grab onto when pulling the bike onto the center stand
- Maybe a bit of help when needing to tie down, either the bike or luggage
- They look kinda cool

- Finally, Keep the bike off of me on a hard down. My 2015 was knocked out from under me and destroyed by an elderly driver in a Caddie. I'll feel better they next time some crap like that happens with these bars between me and the bike and the pavement
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My 2016 R1200RT has both the luggage bars and the engine bars. silver ones. They are expensive, but high-quality and easy to install.

I had the BMW supplied head guards on my 2015RT and they were useless and a waste of money.

Here are my expectations from the Wunderlich bars

- Protect the bike from stupid stuff like it falling over while being parked.
- They are nice to grab onto when pulling the bike onto the center stand
- Maybe a bit of help when needing to tie down, either the bike or luggage
- They look kinda cool

- Finally, Keep the bike off of me on a hard down. My 2015 was knocked out from under me and destroyed by an elderly driver in a Caddie. I'll feel better they next time some crap like that happens with these bars between me and the bike and the pavement
What was it about the BMW head guards that you found useless? Assuming if you were hit there was some serious sliding happening.
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Thanks. My dealer recommended the Wunderlich, but I don't like the large pannier bar because it will hit my wifes calf.
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My 2016 R1200RT has both the luggage bars and the engine bars. silver ones. They are expensive, but high-quality and easy to install.

I had the BMW supplied head guards on my 2015RT and they were useless and a waste of money.

Here are my expectations from the Wunderlich bars

- Protect the bike from stupid stuff like it falling over while being parked.
- They are nice to grab onto when pulling the bike onto the center stand
- Maybe a bit of help when needing to tie down, either the bike or luggage
- They look kinda cool

- Finally, Keep the bike off of me on a hard down. My 2015 was knocked out from under me and destroyed by an elderly driver in a Caddie. I'll feel better they next time some crap like that happens with these bars between me and the bike and the pavement
As I said Ilium front Wunderlich in rear. I wanted the high rear bar for lifting and tie offs. This is why I wanted more leverage lifting onto center stand. This was one of the issues from totaling the LT in 2010:



So as far as any kind of speed mishaps these bars are going to fold pretty quickly. As far as I am concerned, and according to people who know "stuff" the Ilium with it's cross bar is the strongest of the bunch. However I will not bet on them not folding in a speed get off even as strong as they are. And you should look at some installed on bikes so you can judge for yourself what looks best to you and what you think is best strength wise.

These are not intended to be roll bars and will not hold up in a get off. They are for 0 MPH drops when one looses their footing or mind

I have heard speculation that in a speed get off they may cause the bike to flip or dig in as it is sliding.

I tested my set up on the right side and it was on a down hill incline. My bike was laying downhill on it's right side on hard dirt and not a scratch on the bike. I did get some scuffing on the bars.

It would have been the right bag, and the right front fairing which was already replaced for a broken tab. That was on the dealer, this would have been me. Not sure what else might have hit but again the bars paid for themselves that day.

It surely would have cost the bars price to replace that Tupperware.

I love the ones PadG posted but knew I wanted to hang driving lights and did not think those would do it for me. Looks are just sweet on that setup.

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And just a few pics of them.







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Finally, Keep the bike off of me on a hard down. My 2015 was knocked out from under me and destroyed by an elderly driver in a Caddie. I'll feel better they next time some crap like that happens with these bars between me and the bike and the pavement
Did his insurance cover the cost of replacement/repair, just out of curiosity?

Doesn't look like you would get that much protection for yourself, especially if a narrow bar puts full force on a smaller surface area on an ankle or other. Some I guess, but really depends on exactly what pinches what it seems.
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I do not expect the bars to be fully protective in a hard down like I experienced with the Caddie. I imagine the engine protection bar would collapse or at least get bent. The cylinder heads do the heavy sacrificial lifting in a hard down (another reason to like the boxer design). The right cylinder head on the 2015RT was ground open as it slid along the pavement. Oil all over the place.

The rear bars are pretty substantial and may last a while longer as there is less weight/stress on them in a down.

The crash bars are better than nothing and the Wunderlich bars are way better than nothing. Frankly, I would feel naked riding with out them now.
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LAF, I like the looks of your hiway pegs on the Ilium bars. Do your pant legs brush against the valve covers? Worried about melting some expensive gear.

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The Ilium rear bars now look less intrusive on passengers. I ordered a set:

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I own a set and they are spectacular. So easy to remove not that I plan to. I love the Ilium drop test.
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I am lucky after a bit of a issue with the dealership I bought my bike from they supplied me a set of chrome Wunderlich Engine Protection bars and a new pair of BMW All Round boots free to make up for their stuff up, so I have to say they have tried hard to make good their mistake and I could not ask for anymore than that. The added bonus of over $1,300.00 AUD in accessories free has to be a good thing lol.
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Not at all. I do wear Stich gear however. I have worn mesh also and nothing melted, but the Stich is my go to stuff.

You are far enough away from anything to worry.
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I had the wunderlich engine guards on my 2011 and they didn't need removed/loosened for valve checks. I did drop it twice on these guards with it loaded. Both but a slight scuff in the powder coating. No plastic touched either time.
I don't believe that you can go wrong with any of these bars for static drops. However if you carry a passenger and are adding the bag guards, go ilium on those. The wunderlich will hit your passengers legs.
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I bought a set of the Wunderlich bars early on. Wanted the protection when the bike fell over, but mainly a place to mount highway pegs and maybe lights. Didn't care much for the looks after I installed them, but they seemed nice to have when using my highway pegs on long days.

I was doing some windshield development around then and found the highway pegs/engine bars actually had a noticeable drop in fuel mileage. Doesn't sound like they would, but I will know more soon when I can test again.

I have removed my engine bars. Simply cannot stand to look at them any longer. Same would apply to all the brands, they are ugly. Moved the Skene lights to the cylinder. Made some protective strips for the cylinder head that might help some if it falls over. Bottom line is that if you don't have the rear bars to protect the bags any tipover is still an expensive fix. The bars will be no help in a higher speed get-off, possibly digging in and causing the bike to flip. I'll take my chances and fix it when/if it tips over.
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[QUOTE=McWideglide;1666610I would also like to see Ilium let it drop on the right side.[/QUOTE]

Well I did not film it, but I parked on camber a year ago I thought the bike was a bit too upright but would be Ok. It was not and fell over on the right hand side!!

I had city lids fitted (https://www.motorcycleparts-hornig.c...Flat-Lids.html) and the Iliumworks front engine bars. the result was; a broken rider's foot peg (the pillion one can be swapped over to get you home), minor scratching to the city lids and the back of the mirror cracked.

Total cost to replace the foot peg and mirror plastic under 100. I live with the scratches on the pannier lids, after all who cares??

My vote goes to Iliumworks as the Wunderlich version would add labour costs when the bike is in for its service and they look like they might buckle (where the bend is behind the exhaust) if dropped hard.
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If I had a do over I would do the ones PadG posted for the front, and the new Ilium rears.

To me both of those are the least obtrusive to the lines and looks of the bike.

With the various injury's I have sustained over the years I would never dream of riding a bike without some drop protection.

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I had bought a bunch of the black covers for the bags and the front on top of my J-Pegs where there is a support built in. I would roll her around on each side and then replace the black plastic covers. I can tell you I never laid a bike over at 0 speed more then it. Still of all the bikes I did love it for sure. Reverse rocks, and that center stand will spoil you for sure!

Anyway yes you can take your chances naked and many do. I just happen to know how my typical day can go from great to crappy in one quick second

I stick by what I would do if I had a do over. I also would try to get them painted or powder coated to my color of Blue To me that would make them look a lot better but add cost.
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I can see a drop in MPG with pegs and bars and then add a 4" square light on each side. I would think every time I put my legs out on those pegs I am acting like a parachute. I can see it for sure.

I am interested in your findings.

But it makes sense the drag that hardware is creating in it's self then throw legs out on those pegs yet. I only use one side at a time, I will put one leg out or the other, rare I ever have both out at the same time but even that has to create huge drag.
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Lee - I only bought the Wunderlich bars because, I am sure you knew, back then (for the '14 RT), that was the only thing available. If I was to do it over (and I still might!!! ), it would be as you said - Ztechnik front and Illium rear. Love the fact that the Illium rear can be easily removed!
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They look great. Also I like the color on Ilium bars way better also.

Looks great.
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I fitted my Wunderlich bars on today the right side went off without a hitch but the left side was a real bitch. After removing the engine bolt it because obvious that the engine and frame were not alined from factor and out around 2mm as can be seen in the photos. I had heaps if trouble trying to jack the various parts of the bike to get the bolt to go back in without forcing it. In the end I ended up re-taping the thread and it come together without too much more problem. Finally on and look great ,mind you they are going to be a both to keep polished as they are a tight fit
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That is a lot of misalignment! Never had that issue on my '15!
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I do like the look of the Ilium bars better than the Wunderlich. And I do like that they're easily removable if I ever (hasn't happened yet) decide to ride without the bags. But I'm wondering, since they're so much lower, will they provide protection to the bags in the event of a forceful tipover (or slide) that rocks the bike over further than just the 45-65 degrees that the average standing-still tip over brings?

The previous owner of my bike took a slow speed slide that had the edge of the fairing, near the mirror, grinding along the pavement. The bag on that side looked new when I got the bike, so either they weren't on the bike when it happened, he had them repaired, or replaced them.

Does anyone know if the Ilium bars will protect the bags if the bike rolls over that far?
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I fitted my Wunderlich bars on today the right side went off without a hitch but the left side was a real bitch. After removing the engine bolt it because obvious that the engine and frame were not alined from factor and out around 2mm as can be seen in the photos. I had heaps if trouble trying to jack the various parts of the bike to get the bolt to go back in without forcing it. In the end I ended up re-taping the thread and it come together without too much more problem. Finally on and look great ,mind you they are going to be a both to keep polished as they are a tight fit
They look fine to me. As far as alignment you should have pulled the bars and made the holes align. Got help and a strap and use a cats paw to pry/pull the bar forward. I can see the bends being off a bit and would consider that no big deal. I hate to hear you had to tap a fitting to make it work though.

Something different and looks fine to me. The chrome looks interesting with the headers and exhaust.
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They look fine to me. As far as alignment you should have pulled the bars and made the holes align. Got help and a strap and use a cats paw to pry/pull the bar forward. I can see the bends being off a bit and would consider that no big deal. I hate to hear you had to tap a fitting to make it work though.

Something different and looks fine to me. The chrome looks interesting with the headers and exhaust.
It was not a matter of pulling the bars as they were fine it was the left engine bolt being tight to pull out and once that came out the frame and the engine were out a few mm , enough not to allow the bolt to be screwed back in without being forced. I had no intention to force the bolt and cross tread it. There were small fillings in the thread so I knew it was done at the factory thats the reason I taped the thread again to make sure it was not damaged. Anyway once it was taped the bolt went back in without a problem.
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I misunderstood where the alignment problem came from. My Bad.

I have a item called a Black Widow and it has various sized derlin pegs and I have used it to jack up various things at various angels. Black Widow Motorcycle Lift Jack | MC-JACK | Discount Ramps

Did you try jacking the bike up anywhere to try and take pressure of the bolt coming out? I guess spilt milk and as long as you have them on is all that matters. I am curious as to why it was like that? Were you on center stand or side stand?
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I misunderstood where the alignment problem came from. My Bad.

I have a item called a Black Widow and it has various sized derlin pegs and I have used it to jack up various things at various angels. Black Widow Motorcycle Lift Jack | MC-JACK | Discount Ramps

Did you try jacking the bike up anywhere to try and take pressure of the bolt coming out? I guess spilt milk and as long as you have them on is all that matters. I am curious as to why it was like that? Were you on center stand or side stand?
I had the bike on the centre stand. As for jacking the bike as I took the bolt out, I have to say no as I thought it might had been some lock tight that was putting the resistance on the bolt. but as you said no use crying over spilt milk and it all come together in the end so all is good thanks.
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It was not a matter of pulling the bars as they were fine it was the left engine bolt being tight to pull out and once that came out the frame and the engine were out a few mm , enough not to allow the bolt to be screwed back in without being forced. I had no intention to force the bolt and cross tread it. There were small fillings in the thread so I knew it was done at the factory thats the reason I taped the thread again to make sure it was not damaged. Anyway once it was taped the bolt went back in without a problem.
OK, like Lee, I also misunderstood what you did! Technically, what you did was to "chased" out the thread to get rid of any damages that might have been in there! I had to do something similar, but of insignificant consequent, when I did the 12k (miles) service. One of the 5mm screw that held the plastic spark-plug cover did not go in properly. Went in about 1/2 way, and wouldn't go any further. I had to chase that tapped hole out with a 5mm tap.
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I have removed my engine bars. Simply cannot stand to look at them any longer. Same would apply to all the brands, they are ugly. Moved the Skene lights to the cylinder. Made some protective strips for the cylinder head that might help some if it falls over. Bottom line is that if you don't have the rear bars to protect the bags any tipover is still an expensive fix. The bars will be no help in a higher speed get-off, possibly digging in and causing the bike to flip. I'll take my chances and fix it when/if it tips over.
By the combined sentiment of folks on this thread it seems like a foregone conclusion one is going to drop the bike at some point, at least once. I keep thinking it's very possible to NOT drop the bike if you can keep your mind 100% in the present for all low-speed maneuvers and so far so good, but I know all it takes is one momentary space-out at the wrong time and down she goes. I haven't had the need to hang parts like lights or horns, so haven't gone w/ guards beyond the new rubber-backed BMW cylinder head guards and the stick-on bumpers for the side cases which may help enough, or not. I'll be paying the freight for a repair should the drop happen. Highway pegs look intriguing but for the 10K miler we took last summer we were off the bike every 90 minutes or so and with that there doesn't seem to be a need to get my feet up on pegs. Iron butt would be another story, but I have no desire to do that either. I'm happy w/ the stock seat, stock foot pegs position, etc.

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By the combined sentiment of folks on this thread it seems like a foregone conclusion one is going to drop the bike at some point, at least once. I keep thinking it's very possible to NOT drop the bike if you can keep your mind 100% in the present for all low-speed maneuvers and so far so good, but I know all it takes is one momentary space-out at the wrong time and down she goes. I haven't had the need to hang parts like lights or horns, so haven't gone w/ guards beyond the new rubber-backed BMW cylinder head guards and the stick-on bumpers for the side cases which may help enough, or not. I'll be paying the freight for a repair should the drop happen. Highway pegs look intriguing but for the 10K miler we took last summer we were off the bike every 90 minutes or so and with that there doesn't seem to be a need to get my feet up on pegs. Iron butt would be another story, but I have no desire to do that either. I'm happy w/ the stock seat, stock foot pegs position, etc.

Each to their own and that is what makes us all individuals , I wanted the Engine protection bars mainly if the bike was parked and someone parked on it ,pushed the bike over while it was standing parked on the road and I was not there to prevent it. Plus it was a deal from the dealership that cost me nothing lol. The same went with the BMW boots I have never in all my ring life ever used motor cycle boots but when you get them free why would you say no . Top be honest if the bike goes down hard enough it will be damaged and that is why we pat to have insurance. I hope I never have to use it but it is there. I must also say I have had a claim when my Victory was blown over in a really bad storm ,that cost the insurer over $8,000.00 to fix and to think that a 400 kg bike being picked up and blown over by winds is amazing. So another reason I wanted engine protection bars as the RT is half that weight and I park out side my unit. These days is is on a new pathway beside my garage wall to give it a bit more protecting from the weather lol.
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Well I can certainly understand the rationale for full engine guards and thought about it quite a bit when I bought my '16 RT but in the end was OK w/o. If the dealer had offered them I would have definitely accepted the offer. Having another vehicle knock the bike over is definitely an indication for full guards. I know I go out of my way to park away from other cars when I go to the store or stop for food, wherever I can, but it happens for sure. One factor for me is I'm tall at 6'3" w/o shoes, so this makes it a little easier to stay upright for low speed stuff, emphasis on 'little' as it's just one factor I understand. On our long ride this summer we managed to park in wind and weather protected areas 90% of the time during motel stops. I'm guessing I'll be sorry some day but as I see it I have about $700 worth of credit towards a repair since I haven't paid for guards per se. The dealer threw in the valve cover guards and side case bumpers.

Apparently some folks are more prone to drops than others for myriad reasons. Just yesterday my wife was driving about a block from where we live and she witnessed an 'older' guy on a BMW drop his beemer when his plan to come to a rolling stop suddenly morphed into the need to stop outright as my wife's car was approaching his 3-way intersection where he had planned to make a right turn into her path. He put his left foot down into a pothole, he lost his balance and down she went. Pretty easy to see why this happened--he had to make an unanticipated sudden stop which he set himself up for with the rolling stop, and he didn't notice the pothole, presumably because he hadn't planned on stopping. This particular intersection has poorer visibility to oncoming traffic from the left, so again, he set himself up for this type of event.
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Be aware that the Wunderlich engine guard WILL interfere with the removal of your valve covers, and therefore must be loosen in order to get your valve covers off! That can be a bit of a pain in the you-know-where!

Appearance is very subjective, but this is the one that I like the best, but it is probably the most expensive: ZTechnik | Z7103 Stainless Steel Engine Guards

I have these too, and with short legs, they permit me to move the highway pegs closer to me. Depending on your height, this could be key.
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I have these too, and with short legs, they permit me to move the highway pegs closer to me. Depending on your height, this could be key.
I don't use highway pegs myself, but the inconvenience of having to loosen up the Wunderlich bars to do the valve is enough to make me seriously consider tossing them for this Ztechnik!

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This is a good thread to review with pictures of the ZTechnik bars and the ilium highway pegs: Ztechnik Engine Guard installation

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