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post #1 of 10 Old May 9th, 2016, 12:30 pm Thread Starter
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Why no reverse gear?

I'm not yet in the BMW club but I had been thinking seriously about the R1200RT. But after sitting on one and thinking about it, I realize the R is more toward the sport side of sport touring, and being honest with myself, I am more interested in the comfort of the touring side. My current ride is a Triumph Thunderbird and I find the 750+ pound weight very manageable, but I am really careful of where I park because backing that bike up is a challenge for me if there is any incline. So now I am re-focused on the K1600, and secondarily the Honda Goldwing. There is much to like, obviously, about the K1600, and technologically it is light years over the Goldwing. But it made me wonder why BMW has not offered a reverse gear on this bike. From what I can determine, it is actually heavier than the Goldwing. At 900+ pounds, having a reverse gear eliminates my fear of accidentally parking on a slight downward sloping parking space, and then finding I am just not strong enough to back it up the incline to get out. It made me wonder if you K1600 owners are bothered by the lack of a reverse gear, and if not, why not. Any helpful comments by anyone here who considered a Goldwing, or had one before getting the BMW K bike would also be greatly appreciated. The cost difference between a new K1600 and a new well equipped Goldwing is not the deciding factor. With that reverse gear, a larger dealer network, and the Honda reliability reputation, I am looking for reasons why I should seriously consider the BMW. Much thanks for any helpful comments.
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post #2 of 10 Old May 9th, 2016, 1:48 pm
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It made me wonder if you K1600 owners are bothered by the lack of a reverse gear
Not at all. I'll usually park where I can pull in/pull out, or just back in while parking so I can just ride out, but I've done that with every bike so it hardly requires any thought at all anymore. And if I do need to back the bike up, that's what I have legs for . . .

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From what I can determine, it is actually heavier than the Goldwing.
Now that would be incorrect, by up to 200 lbs.

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Are you sure? Every bike has some issues, the thing to take note of is how those issues are handled by the dealer and manufacturer.

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I am looking for reasons why I should seriously consider the BMW.
Go test ride them all, preferably back to back. Then you'll know which one best fits your wants, needs, and desires.
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Meese is right on, you need to test ride these bikes before you commit you wallet. You would be surprised by the RT. It is maybe one of the best all around touring bikes made. The weather protection is amazing, good range and light enough to keep things under but still be steady on the highway. Keep in mind the maintenance costs on a K1600 are fairly high compared to an RT. And the Honda is a really heavy bike.

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The only difference I can think of for maintenance costs is the 18,000 mile valve check, since the K16's valves are buried up under the radiator, and there are 24 smaller valves as opposed to 8 larger ones sticking out the side of the RT. That, and four more spark plugs.

Everything else should be similar in terms of parts costs and overall labor.

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The only difference I can think of for maintenance costs is the 18,000 mile valve check, since the K16's valves are buried up under the radiator, and there are 24 smaller valves. That, and four more spark plugs.
With all of that involved, what's the cost of the 18K service, about $800-1000?

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I really liked having reverse on my LT and do miss it on the GTL... but... I do NOT regret getting the GTL even without reverse. I just make sure I do not park the wrong way on a downward slope spot.
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With all of that involved, what's the cost of the 18K service, about $800-1000?
I changed the oil and final drive oil and BMW Motorcycles of Atlanta did the rest of the 18k service. I forget exactly what it cost but I think they charged me around $1000.

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With all of that involved, what's the cost of the 18K service, about $800-1000?
When I had mine done It was a little over $330. That was for the valve check and a brake flush. The plugs still looked good and I did the oil change myself.

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With that reverse gear, a larger dealer network, and the Honda reliability reputation, I am looking for reasons why I should seriously consider the BMW. Much thanks for any helpful comments.
Want reverse in a K1600? Get a 2017.
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A BMW sales rep told me The new model year K1600 will have reverse.
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