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Hard Throttle or Limp Wrist?

Hi there. I am pretty new to the group, but really have been impressed by the participation.

I plan to purchase a 2002 LT with 25k miles (MONDAY YEAH!). It runs and rides like a dream! I sold my 2005 Road King Classic last fall, and have never looked back.

My question:

The throttle on the LT takes a serious grip to make it operate. My last few bikes were no match for this girl. Is this normal? Or is there some adjustment that I need to make, to make the throttle turn easier?

Thanks again.
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Hi there. I am pretty new to the group, but really have been impressed by the participation.

I plan to purchase a 2002 LT with 25k miles (MONDAY YEAH!). It runs and rides like a dream! I sold my 2005 Road King Classic last fall, and have never looked back.

My question:

The throttle on the LT takes a serious grip to make it operate. My last few bikes were no match for this girl. Is this normal? Or is there some adjustment that I need to make, to make the throttle turn easier?

Thanks again.
Shouldn't be hard to twist.
You can search for throttle cables.
Start with this one Throttle cable replacement notes
then this Throttle Cable Replacement
and throttle cable replacement, how easy?
and so on.

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+1, as mentioned above. You need the "Throttle Cable Upgrade". There were significant changes, and the operation is a lot easier.

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x3 on all the above..............while doing maintenance on mine this winter, I worked a little 'White Lightning' into the cables.................made a ton of difference but I still plan on replacing them with the later model cables..............

LT's are about the most fun you can have with your clothes on..................
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Re: Hard Throttle or Limp Wrist?

While mine is not hard to turn or twist, it is by far the throttle with the most friction on any morotorcycle I've owned. I'm used to it now.

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Re: Hard Throttle or Limp Wrist?

Ditto, +++, etc. This is by far the stiffest throttle I have experianced even after installing the new style cables after my clutch job. Not bad but stiffer than any other bike I have owned.

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upgraded cables on my 02 and it was night and day. Just wish I had upgraded earlier. Welcome to the group.

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Re: Hard Throttle or Limp Wrist?

When it comes to this group, there are no limp wrists.... Though I'm not sure how much non-pharmaceutical induced stiffness there is either.....

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my '02 has a really stiff throttle as well. I need to upgrade but just haven't taken the time to do it. Spent all my cash on the ABS unit.

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Don't know how stiff the throttle is on your bike but I'll bet it doesn't hold a candle to the throttle on my '81 Yamaha 650 Maxim!!! Pretty good pull when you're operating 4 carburetors!!!

BTW, I remember when this little 495 lb cruiser felt big! Now it feels like I'm riding a skateboard with handlebars! The gas tank seems like it is about 6 inches wide.

Perspectives change when you ride the big girl!

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Ditto, +++, etc. This is by far the stiffest throttle I have experianced even after installing the new style cables after my clutch job. Not bad but stiffer than any other bike I have owned.

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Shouldn't be hard to twist.
You can search for throttle cables.
Start with this one Throttle cable replacement notes
then this Throttle Cable Replacement
and throttle cable replacement, how easy?
and so on.

BTW . . . welcome to the Funny Farm! A recent quote from BBC's Top Gear . . "Some think that riding an LT is better than sex." Hmmmm I don't but it comes close.!

Thanks to all who responded. This site is awesome and I look forward to the summer with my new bike!

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Re: Hard Throttle or Limp Wrist?

I'm an ex H-D guy, too. Didn't have as much of a problem with the throttle as I did with that pre-'87 clutch. Ouch! Definitely for younger hands.

You need these parts for the throttle cable upgrade:
Throttle Cable: 32737694490 ($40.19).
Acc. Cable: 32737694491 ($56.79).
Twist Grip Mod Kit: 32727691990 ($24.19).

While your throttle grip is off of the handlebar, take some 600 grit wet-dry sandpaper and polish the handlebar surface. Use either a light oil or water for a lube as you "shoeshine" the handlebar surface with a strip of the sandpaper. Mine had quite a bit off bumpy paint and rough metal.

A few minutes effort to prep that handlebar surface goes a long way to making a slick, responsive throttle.

Good Luck,
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Re: Hard Throttle or Limp Wrist?

The "throttle upgrade" was stock in 05 on I take it? I have an 04 and I have never even given it a second thought.....

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LT has strong return springs even on my 2006. I purchased a right & left (for looks) throttle rockers ($10.00 each) and the stiff throttle is a thing of the past! JMO

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LT has strong return springs even on my 2006. I purchased a right & left (for looks) throttle rockers ($10.00 each) and the stiff throttle is a thing of the past! JMO
How does a piece of plastic outside affect the stiffness?

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How does a piece of plastic outside affect the stiffness?
I will assume you weren’t being rude and will answer your question with the extremely complicated scientific discovery:



LEVERAGE! Your palm does the work.

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Hi there. I am pretty new to the group, but really have been impressed by the participation.

I plan to purchase a 2002 LT with 25k miles (MONDAY YEAH!). It runs and rides like a dream! I sold my 2005 Road King Classic last fall, and have never looked back.

My question:

The throttle on the LT takes a serious grip to make it operate. My last few bikes were no match for this girl. Is this normal? Or is there some adjustment that I need to make, to make the throttle turn easier?

Thanks again.
Yes, my 07, which I believe has the "new and improved" throttle is still very stiff. 30 minutes has my wrist slamoring ofr relief. The relief is in the form of cruise control! I use it all the time, unless I have in the twisties and on and off the throttle in which case the stiffness is much less apparent. The grip puppies helped a little as the larger diameter gives you a little more leverage, but it added maybe 10 to 15 minutes duration before the wrist was complaining.

I have no idea why it needs to be so stiff, but I believe the FI has two return springs, most likely for redundancy in case one breaks. And with the recent Toyotat sticking throttle issues, I can understand BMW being conservative in this regard. I believe that one can "unwind" the springs a notch or two to lessen the effort and I will probably do this if I ever have occasion to tear into the old girl that deep.

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Simple - - Limp wrist
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Well just finished installing the throttle cable upgrade! My wrist, forearm and elbow made a collective sigh of relief with the first twist!

Best money I have spent on this bike, since the purchase price (which was last Friday, the day I picked this baby up and rode home).

Even like this beauty more than ever!

Thanks for the encouragement and instructions!

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I did the cable and housing replacement on my 02 last year.
big improvement. The bike is enjoyable to ride again.

I used 05 parts.

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DasBoat Dave.....are those BMW part numbers?

Keith....Which cables / parts did you use? Aftermarket? BMW?

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DasBoat Dave.....are those BMW part numbers?

Keith....Which cables / parts did you use? Aftermarket? BMW?
those are BMW parts from the dealer.

you also might want to check my last post in this thread.... '05 throttle cable fix

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I did the upgrade on my 03 with parts from Chicago BMW. It's like night and day and my old hands sure appreciated it.............

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yeah.. and the HD has larger diameter grip.. which means, more leverage..
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DasBoat Dave.....are those BMW part numbers?

Keith....Which cables / parts did you use? Aftermarket? BMW?
I used the factory BMW parts. Figured since I was going through all the work, why skimp on the cables...

Love my new bike! The new throttle makes it a real joy to ride now. If you haven't upgraded - do it now!

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Can I use these parts on a 99 LT as well?

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[QUOTE=LTFan]Can I use these parts on a 99 LT as well?[/QUOTE

Yes

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I would also suggest the addition of a set of "Grip Puppies". Very cheap, but increases the grip diameter and cushions it. Grip fatigue is much reduced. Best price/performance improvement I ever did to my '05.

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I'm an ex H-D guy, too. Didn't have as much of a problem with the throttle as I did with that pre-'87 clutch. Ouch! Definitely for younger hands.

You need these parts for the throttle cable upgrade:
Throttle Cable: 32737694490 ($40.19).
Acc. Cable: 32737694491 ($56.79).
Twist Grip Mod Kit: 32727691990 ($24.19).

While your throttle grip is off of the handlebar, take some 600 grit wet-dry sandpaper and polish the handlebar surface. Use either a light oil or water for a lube as you "shoeshine" the handlebar surface with a strip of the sandpaper. Mine had quite a bit off bumpy paint and rough metal.

A few minutes effort to prep that handlebar surface goes a long way to making a slick, responsive throttle.
Did this "upgrade" a few months ago; I had to as I had snapped a throttle cable. I was able to do it WITHOUT removing the airbox OR fuel rail (it was kinda like playing Operation, you know, the "wacky doctor game"). Used this reference to do the throttle end of the mod. Throttle pull is nice and easy...

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BTW, I remember when this little 495 lb cruiser felt big! Now it feels like I'm riding a skateboard with handlebars! The gas tank seems like it is about 6 inches wide.

Perspectives change when you ride the big girl!

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Beemerick - the pictures are very helpful. Do you have pictures on replacing the cables from throttle body? I am unable to remove the air box since the hoses to the from air box is using a clamp which needs a different tool.

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Beemerick - the pictures are very helpful. Do you have pictures on replacing the cables from throttle body? I am unable to remove the air box since the hoses to the from air box is using a clamp which needs a different tool.
Sorry, no pictures at the other end. The BMW manual was pretty helpful. It definitely took some patience and finesse (as opposed to force)... but it is very doable with the airbox and fuel rail still installed.

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The throttle on my 2000 is hard too...until I put the cruise control on. Then all it takes is the slightest touch of the throttle to knock the cruise off. Go figure. I usually end up resting my throttle hand on the brake reservoir.
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I managed to change the throttle cables to the part numbers mentioned here but my throttle is still pretty stiff. Is it possible to change the springs on the throttle body?

I did manage to change the cables without removing the air box. I had to remove the fuel rail.

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Guys, one thing to check FIRST
on my 99 LT I upgraded and the difference was amazing. However when I bought my current 04LT the throttle (despite being the upgraded type) was also stiff.
After playing for a while I realised the PO had tightened BOTH cable (opening and closing) and there was no slack. A couple of turns backed off and everything was nice and light and smooth....of course this may NOT be your problem.

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The PO was the problem. I removed the cables from the PO and took a test drive today morning.

I am loving the new bike It feels so smooth.

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