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I am replacing tires on my K1200LT.
I thought I would solicit ideas from the forum before simply buying another set of Metzeler 880s.
The Metzeler 880 is being replaced by the Metzeler 888. Is this a better tire?
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I am replacing tires on my K1200LT.
I thought I would solicit ideas from the forum before simply buying another set of Metzeler 880s.
The Metzeler 880 is being replaced by the Metzeler 888. Is this a better tire?
Any thoughts?
If you stay within the design specifications of a 79V reinf for the rear, your choices are somewhat limited. If you liked the 880's, then the 888's would probably not be a bad choice. Everybody seems to think one mfg is better or worse than another. I tried an Avon roadrider on the front because someone else liked it and in dry it is fine but in wet, I feel it is horrible and very slippery under certain conditions. I won't buy another one of those. I guess I am just saying, what someone else likes may not suit you very well. It never hurts to ask though.

For the record, I am running the Bridgestone BT020 on the rear and am happy with it so far. Got a BT023 for the front and it was pretty noisy but handles OK.

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Is there any rear tire (other than the OEM) that is rated for the weight of that bike & rider(s)?

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I have Metzler 888's on my bike. Have around 8,500 miles on them. Aside from the fact I did Run For The Wall and traveled 4,900 straight up highway miles in 10 days and sawed the center treads down, I've been extremely happy with them.

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The Metz 888 has a 79V,

Bridgestone BT020.

Not totally sure of the Shinko 777 HD. It officially has the 79H rating and I have been told it has reinforced sidewalls so many have used them.


I think the Avon Storm 3D XM has a 79V tire. There may be one other recent addition from Avon as I think the Storm was or is being discontinued. If I left one out someone will add it in.

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If your bike is pre-05 i would suggest Avon Storm 3D XM. These are great handling tires and the newer Avons seem to have much better mileage.
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I am rolling Avon Storm 3d X-M that I got from American Motorcycle Tire, with free shipping and great prices. I replaced the front a while back and the back tire recently and I am really liking them; they handle the curves well and stick. I haven't tried them out in the rain yet.
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My front tire does fine in the wet and rain - just haven't tested the rear tire in the rain AND I'm not going out right now in the current thunderstorm just to test it out.

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Does anyone have experience with the Shinko 777?

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Does anyone have experience with the Shinko 777?
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TIRE REVIEW: Shinko 777 H.D. rear / IRC RX-01 front

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I've only got about 1100 miles on my 777, but so far it's been an exceptional tire. I have tried to be not-so-nice to it to see how it responds, and so far it's done really well. I'm very happy with it.
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I am rolling Avon Storm 3d X-M that I got from American Motorcycle Tire, with free shipping and great prices. I replaced the front a while back and the back tire recently and I am really liking them; they handle the curves well and stick. I haven't tried them out in the rain yet.
It's funny cuz the Avon website says no fit avail. for K1200LT

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It's funny cuz the Avon website says no fit avail. for K1200LT
Just looked up the 99-03 on Avon's site. 2 listed.

Model: K 1200 LT (K2LT) 1999 2003
Storm 2 Ultra Front 90000001119 120/70ZR17 (58W) bw 3.5 3.50 - 3.75 118 4.6 603 23.7 3.8 546 873.6
Storm 2 Ultra Rear 90000001125 160/70R17 * 79V bw 4.5 4.25 - 5.00 166 6.5 654 25.7 6.8 513 820.8
Technical Specifications Tire Tire Service Rec Rim OW OW OD OD Depth Revs Revs
Model Position Material Tire Size Index Sidewall Rim min-max mm Inches mm Inches mm per km per Mile
Storm 3D X-M Front 90000020110 120/70ZR17 (58W) bw MT3.50 3.50 - 3.75 118 4.6 605 23.8 3.8 546 873.6
Storm 3D X-M Rear 90000020499 160/70R17 79V bw MT4.50 4.25 - 5.00 166 6.5 656 25.83 7.7 499 803

Model: K 1200 LT (K12LT) 2004 And Up

No fitment listed because radials are not recommended on the 04 and up.

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It's funny cuz the Avon website says no fit avail. for K1200LT
It is a tire thread. So, thanks for the input. Seems someone else beat me to the answer. The OP has a 2002 model.

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It is a tire thread. So, thanks for the input. Seems someone else beat me to the answer. The OP has a 2002 model.
Yep, if you search the proper year and model, you will find that there are certain years that the Storm 3D X-M is fitted for the LT but not the later years.

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I haven't had my 2001 on the road for 3.5yrs, finally got around to fixing the crack in the cam cover on replacement used motor and putting that stupid jerk ring in behind the pressure plate (didn't see the ring with all the grease on the old motor's flywheel!

Anyhow, did a big ride yesterday in the rain.... holy cow, my back end almost passed me a number of times. Next to zero traction. My butt cheeks were puckered up super tight.

The tires don't have that many miles on them and stored at room temp in my workshop. Front seems pretty good but the rear is like a hockey puck... totally useless. I think I could make it spin in 4th on a wet highway.

What is the stickiest tire available.... I don't give a rats *** on how long it lasts as I don't want to die?

On my 04' Suzuki SV1000S, the Michelin Pilot Powers I have stick like glue in the dry and about 80% of dry in the wet. Impressive. What's with tire pressure anyway, seems some guys running 48-50psi in the rear... wouldn't that be even worse in the rain?
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Simple answer.
AVONS AVONS AVONS AVONS used them since they were just storms, now using the storm XD on my LT and my RT. over 200000 miles
With all the rain we have getting in south Florida, the Avons just keep proving themselves over and over. Steady rain ,70 mph with no fear, no slip, very sure footed. Just try them and you will be hooked. I know, on the LT the mileage isn't great 8-10F,12 R, but I will take grip any day of the week.
Just my opinion. tried most other brands.


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Took my LT to the curviest roads near my house today. Nothing like riding an hour to find more than 2 curves in a row... Anyways, my Avon Storm 3d-XM tires performed perfectly. Stick the turns and track well. Accelerate out of the turn with no problem and ready to go faster. I am really liking this tire on the front and I like it on the back. The tires are made with the rain in mind but I still haven't tested them out...maybe I need to do a rain ride just to enjoy it.

I don't shy away from the rain but I don't purposefully go ride in it either.

The Avon website says they guarantee 15,000 miles if ridden normally. If you don't get 15,000 out of them, they will pro-rate money back to you. I don't know how easy this is to get or not. I need to register my tires for the warranty, or whatever it is I have to do.

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Took my LT to the curviest roads near my house today. Nothing like riding an hour to find more than 2 curves in a row... Anyways, my Avon Storm 3d-XM tires performed perfectly. Stick the turns and track well. Accelerate out of the turn with no problem and ready to go faster. I am really liking this tire on the front and I like it on the back. The tires are made with the rain in mind but I still haven't tested them out...maybe I need to do a rain ride just to enjoy it.

I don't shy away from the rain but I don't purposefully go ride in it either.

The Avon website says they guarantee 15,000 miles if ridden normally. If you don't get 15,000 out of them, they will pro-rate money back to you. I don't know how easy this is to get or not. I need to register my tires for the warranty, or whatever it is I have to do.

I tried this, but the kicker is you MUST buy them from a dealer and since I do all my own tires, you know the answer. but who is to say you cant try. but i never got even close to 15k miles. but normal for me is not normal for Avon. Just think it would be a big fight to get a couple bucks from them. You will probably pay 50$ more at a dealer anyways plus install. IMHO.
Note, I like the rain, it cools me off in the hot summer months of Fla. Just saying. If I could just get rid of the cars it would be great.

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Avon claims their Cobra Cruiser tire is "high mileage". I just took one off of my Triumph T-Bird at 4000 miles. Same as the Metz, Bridgestone, and Michelin. That bike devours rear tires. Even ME880's. they aren't offering any guarantees on the Cobra. (190/60-17).
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I see on their site (Avon) they do offer that warranty on Cobras! Crazy. They would no doubt accuse me of riding "abnormally". And I do mount them myself too. Guess that shoots me down.
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I tried this, but the kicker is you MUST buy them from a dealer and since I do all my own tires, you know the answer. but who is to say you cant try. but i never got even close to 15k miles. but normal for me is not normal for Avon. Just think it would be a big fight to get a couple bucks from them. You will probably pay 50$ more at a dealer anyways plus install. IMHO.
Note, I like the rain, it cools me off in the hot summer months of Fla. Just saying. If I could just get rid of the cars it would be great.

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Yep, most companies like to get money in, not send money out. You are right in the savings is probably a wash at best when going without a local motorcycle dealer. Warranties are usually difficult to get enforced.

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I think radials are 99- 04. Steering geometry was changed in 2005. Therfore radials not recommended.

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STAY AWAY FROM THE; Michelin Road Pilot 4 GT!!! They are cool looking, the cross sipping works great, BUT they wear out in less than 6K miles. Center hard section looked like it could go 12K but the softer edges cupped and disappeared like a pencil eraser. I do live in Colorado and most of that 6K miles was leaning over.

I use the AVON Storm 3D XM now on my 2000LT. Stick great, wears evenly. Just bought my 2nd rear, replacing after 12K on the odometer. Which (by the way) is 10% off, every LT can take 10% off the odometer readings for actual bike mileage and wear and tear. It's a joke among my riding buddies. We made a (confirmed) 3000 mile ride across country to visit Barber Motorsports Park and Museum, my odometer measured it as 3300 miles +/- or so.

Point is; 12,000 miles on a LT tire = 10,800 miles

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Yep, if you search the proper year and model, you will find that there are certain years that the Storm 3D X-M is fitted for the LT but not the later years.
I think radials are good for the American 04 models.
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I've been very happy with my BT-20's (front and rear) on my 2002 LT. They were noticeably more 'flickable" than my worn Metzlers. Sure footed in the rain too. I can't speak to the mileage on them, but the quality of my ride is more important to me than the quantity. I paid $283 for the pair with shipping from Tires Unlimited, and had them the next day.

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Anyone tried shinko 777 front & rear yet? Illinois BMW group seems to like it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=85-Lp_BT3H4
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Seems the Avon 3 isn't that good? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU9IwGgZh1Y
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Seems the Avon 3 isn't that good? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU9IwGgZh1Y
Everyone has their judgement on a tire. For me the Avon 3 is by far the best tire for me. I have a new set ordered for my 02 because I have 14K miles on my current set. Just my $.02.
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I'm more specifically interested on what you think of the rain traction and tire noise as it ages? I couldn't care less if someone gets 100k miles out of a hockey puck. :-)
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I am replacing tires on my K1200LT.
I thought I would solicit ideas from the forum before simply buying another set of Metzeler 880s.
The Metzeler 880 is being replaced by the Metzeler 888. Is this a better tire?
Any thoughts?
Ive been running the Avon 3dXM on my 2002 and been very happy with the traction. I did a 3k mile ride on slab to serious curves through the mountains. I wasn't light on the throttle or flower sniffing in the curves and never had a reason to slow up due to tires. I rode through some heavy rains on part of it and it was solid at 60-80 mph. The only complaint I have is the front scallops. I believe that is due to the weight of the bike and the softer compound on the sides of the tire.

I spoke with my tire guy and he can't say enough about the Shinkos. They are a softer tire so mileage may suffer but I prefer traction over mileage anyway.
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Timely post, I just looked tires over on our bikes today.

I have a touch over 14,000 miles on my front Avon Storm 3D, and I would replace it before going on a long ride, but for my local commuting it will hold up for a while yet.

The rear has 6K on it, and still looks excellent, but I didn't measure the tread depth.

I have used Avons on my Kawasaki 1500A and Nomad, and the wet traction is every bit as good as I would expect. I am also a person who will not sacrifice wet traction for long tire wear, but I have never gotten this kind of life out of Avons before. I think they finally have it figured out.

I have also used Metzlers, and on my Nomad, I swore I would never use them again, and this LT came with them. The rear left me sitting 180 miles from home. A friend rescued me that time, and he has just started using the 888, so we will see how those do.
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I was out in some rain on Friday for about 40 minutes. It was a light rain and I was on mostly straight roads at that point with some traffic. The Avons did great. Acceleration was good when passing vehicles in the rain going at very solid highway passing speeds - tires didn't miss a beat. And, the LT kept me dry as I was moving fast enough to create a dry zone around me. I kept toying with pulling over to put on the rain gear but the rain stayed light and I wasn't getting wet as long as the speeds stayed up. If I was in stop and go traffic, I would have put on the rain gear.

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Shinko has the 777 in 160/70-17 rear tire but no 120/70-17 front...is 130/80-17 the closest size? I'm just looking to get a pair from www.chaparral-racing.com <$200 for both.
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