da vinci code ... cool movie

[KBandit]

anyone seen it? good grist for debate.

[BUGKILLER]

I saw it today. I thought it was a good movie but hard to compare with all the historical detail in the book with a two hour movie. I hope they do Angels and Demons next. It has sparked outrage around the world from devout Catholics. Much the same as when Mel Gibsons The Passion of the Christ effected the Jewish Community. I know it is one of the most personal subjects that can be debated and the Catholic church is certainly going to feel attacked.

[drifter36]

It was a well done movie, fairly close to the details in the book. Having been in Paris about 3 weeks ago, I stopped by the Louvre and St Sulpice to check out some of the sites in the book. The movie must have been filmed on location. As far as historical accuracy both the movie and the book have a few shortcomings. But for entertainment value, I thought it was superb. I don't understand the outrage. If one's faith is firm, a movie isn't going to change anything.
Bob

[grifscoots]

I loved his books, but will wait for DVD, just cain't stomache sitting in a theatre.

I also have probs with the uproar/backlash. The book is fiction, is catalogued fiction and the author says it is fiction. So, what makes it truthfull enough to picket the movie?

[pkpr1998]

I loved his books, but will wait for DVD, just cain't stomache sitting in a theatre.

I also have probs with the uproar/backlash. The book is fiction, is catalogued fiction and the author says it is fiction. So, what makes it truthfull enough to picket the movie?


As a Christian, I will partly agree with Griff, the book and the movie is classified as FICTION. I will not see the movie, but the wife and I see maybe one or two movies a year.

When our local news inverviewed people about the movie most haven't liked it; some said it was long and boring.

[TandemCyclist]

When our local news inverviewed people about the movie most haven't liked it; some said it was long and boring.

Damn liberal media only running (editing)the people they want you to hear from.

Rick

[MOSLEYDS]

As a Christian, I will partly agree with Griff, the book and the movie is classified as FICTION. I will not see the movie, but the wife and I see maybe one or two movies a year.

When our local news inverviewed people about the movie most haven't liked it; some said it was long and boring.

Haven't seen it yet, but hear the art alone makes it worth seeing. I suppose
the fact that this movie has gotten a lot of folks involved in discussions about Jesus isn't a bad thing.

[sbrooten]

"Angels and Demons" was already done by one of the cable channels (if my notoriously bad memory serves me) a few months ago. It was pretty good and seemed to follow the book pretty well. Like someone else commented, the book has too much detail for a movie, but it was still a fun movie to watch.

[KBandit]

Damn liberal media only running (editing)the people they want you to hear from.

Rick

best interview i saw was of a catholic priest who said, tongue in cheek, at the conclusion of the interview, "now if you'll excuse me, i've got to go assassinate someone!"

pretty funny.

the movie took great liberties with historical fact, but in my opinion the accuracy is no more or less true than religions accounts. my opinion only.

[messenger13]

anyone seen it? good grist for debate.Haven't seen it. Will NOT be seeing it . . . ever.
But, how do two reasonable human beings debate FICTION? That's totally absurd.
Calling it "cool", that simply displays a lack of discernment...no debate there either. http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/images/smilies/dance.gif


'The World's Fastest Indian' . . . now that was a "cool" movie. http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/images/smilies/yesnod.gif


(Sorry to use so many CAPS Gerhard. I hope this doesn't confuse you...) http://psychobike.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hysterical.gif

((I wonder what Sigmund Freud would say about this? Hhmmn... The only word you see fit to capitalize is your name?!))
Now THAT'S a debate!!! http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/icons/Wicked.gif

[BUGKILLER]

"Angels and Demons" was already done by one of the cable channels (if my notoriously bad memory serves me) a few months ago. It was pretty good and seemed to follow the book pretty well. Like someone else commented, the book has too much detail for a movie, but it was still a fun movie to watch.

Was it in the theaters or made for TV? Do you recall the name or who was in it? Thanks.

[BillyOmaha]

The Da Vinci Code is work of fiction. However, it may be thought provoking fiction and thought is the key to Faith. Free will to believe, to question and come to one's Faith willingly.

Would the example set by Jesus as described in the Bible be any less significant and worthy of emulation if He were not "divine"?

Would His example of how to live a life in the service of our fellow man in God's image be any less of an example if Jesus had fathered a child, as many of us have, or that that the child was by Mary Magdelin?

We are all sons and daughters of God (or, substitute whatever power set off the Big Bang that resulted in our existence) just like Jesus....yes.....just like. Any argument to the contrary is a precursor to proffering an excuse for living a life less than in "God's image" for which we are capable of and allow us excuses not to fulfill.

The Da Vinci Code fiction are words on a page, or images of light and sound on a screen. We should take from them that which helps us live life more in God's image.


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[sbrooten]

Was it in the theaters or made for TV? Do you recall the name or who was in it? Thanks.
It was on TV. As I said, I believe it was one of the cable channels, but I really don't remember. I think it was a two nighter deal, and was pretty long. Wish I could remember more, but I don't. If my little tiny mind comes up with anything else I'll let you know.

[messenger13]

...and thought is the key to Faith.That very statement . . . premise, if you will, to your post is where you & I part ways.

But I'm not going to preach online. It's FUTILE! As is debating over a fictional film...with zero value. It's like talking about how 'The Lord Of The Rings', or 'The Matrix' can bring one spritual enlightment. Or..."faith". Ridiculous. :rolleyes:

It's entertainment folks. In fact, a better word would be AMUSEMENT. Muse means "to think". AMUSE = NOT to think. Food for thought. (pun intended)

[BillyOmaha]

...and thought is the key to Faith.
That very statement . . . premise, if you will, to your post is where you & I part ways.
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Howdy Joe,
My only reply would be, "what is the alternative?"

My premise, and I would refer you to the works of C.S. Lewis, specifically "Mere Christianity, is that true Faith is arrived at by resolving our doubts and not blindly accepting what others may have written or said.

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[messenger13]

My only reply would be, "what is the alternative?"Ah! That IS the question...isn't it? And if I answered, I'd be preaching. Ain't gonna do it.

Until we meet in person. Then we can continue this discussion. For now...I think I'll unsubcribe from this thread.

[nightcrawler921]

The Da Vinci Code is work of fiction. However, it may be thought provoking fiction and thought is the key to Faith. Free will to believe, to question and come to one's Faith willingly.

Would the example set by Jesus as described in the Bible be any less significant and worthy of emulation if He were not "divine"?

Would His example of how to live a life in the service of our fellow man in God's image be any less of an example if Jesus had fathered a child, as many of us have, or that that the child was by Mary Magdelin?

We are all sons and daughters of God (or, substitute whatever power set off the Big Bang that resulted in our existence) just like Jesus....yes.....just like. Any argument to the contrary is a precursor to proffering an excuse for living a life less than in "God's image" for which we are capable of and allow us excuses not to fulfill.

The Da Vinci Code fiction are words on a page, or images of light and sound on a screen. We should take from them that which helps us live life more in God's image.


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I agree, well said.

[TandemCyclist]

The Da Vinci Code is work of fiction. However, it may be thought provoking fiction and thought is the key to Faith. Free will to believe, to question and come to one's Faith willingly.

Would the example set by Jesus as described in the Bible be any less significant and worthy of emulation if He were not "divine"?

Would His example of how to live a life in the service of our fellow man in God's image be any less of an example if Jesus had fathered a child, as many of us have, or that that the child was by Mary Magdelin?

We are all sons and daughters of God (or, substitute whatever power set off the Big Bang that resulted in our existence) just like Jesus....yes.....just like. Any argument to the contrary is a precursor to proffering an excuse for living a life less than in "God's image" for which we are capable of and allow us excuses not to fulfill.

The Da Vinci Code fiction are words on a page, or images of light and sound on a screen. We should take from them that which helps us live life more in God's image.


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Very logically put Mr. Omaha. Being one of the non believers on this forum, I find it very refreshing for a person of faith to want to think and just not, stick their head in the sand, (ie unsubscribe from this thread).

[KBandit]

i really like the idea that jesus was a reallly cool guy who preached peace, love and tolerance ... stuff that i can certainly get behind. the movie, for me, painted spirituality in a very positive light, free of dogma and narrow-minded interpretation.

not enough to convert me to religion but enough to make me take a second look at spirituality.

[usmctpdog]

Spirituality or whatever you want to label it, I believe is inheritently good based on nature and personal introspection.
Religion on the other hand has been used since time began to control and
shape local & world destiny and has for the most part been the mentor of most of the worlds ills, war and persecution under the heading of wrong thinking righteousness.

Those in power twist and shape their precepts and dogma to suit their own
tastes and perception of how life ought to be.....Reference any political or religious party, including our own now in power.

[TandemCyclist]

Spirituality or whatever you want to label it, I believe is inheritently good based on nature and personal introspection.
Religion on the other hand has been used since time began to control and
shape local & world destiny and has for the most part been the mentor of most of the worlds ills, war and persecution under the heading of wrong thinking righteousness.

Those in power twist and shape their precepts and dogma to suit their own
tastes and perception of how life ought to be.....Reference any political or religious party, including our own now in power.

Well said TPDOG.

[rixchard]

Well considering the are at least three or four of us here....

"I said why don’t we get together
And call ourselves an institute "

apologies to Mr. Simon

[BUGKILLER]

The movie numbers are out. $77 million stateside.$224 million worldwide. Second biggest opening worldwide since Star Wars III. I wonder how much they make on concession stand sales. A large popcorn and two large drinks(all refillable) combo is $14 here in my corner of the world. Matinee prices are $7.75 adult and peak rate $9.50.How much do you guys pay in your area?
$29.5 total for us.

[midwilshire]

Spirituality or whatever you want to label it, I believe is inheritently good based on nature and personal introspection.
Religion on the other hand has been used since time began to control and
shape local & world destiny and has for the most part been the mentor of most of the worlds ills, war and persecution under the heading of wrong thinking righteousness.
I regard Kierkegaard as the father of existentialism. He said, "the greatest enemy of Christianity is Christendom." I think you just said the same thing. Not surprising, coming from an "Existential Secular Humorist."

[meese]

Haven't seen it, though many friends and family went this weekend. We did have picketers, who I would have asked if they understood it was fiction if I had gone. Instead, I was working on the LT getting ready for another major work/play trip. That's as close to spirituality as I get, next to actually riding, of course. :)

[usmctpdog]

Where there is smoke there is fire they say and I believe with the missing gnostic texts, or gospels our "Cafeteria Plan" Christians pick and choose what they would like to believe and have mixed the literal and the symbolic to a formula of magic and complex fairy tale proportions.

It is not so far fetched to believe the machinations of those in power to
deceive for their own gain. Whoda thunk?

[messenger13]

Very logically put Mr. Omaha. Being one of the non believers on this forum, I find it very refreshing for a person of faith to want to think and just not, stick their head in the sand, (ie unsubscribe from this thread).I unsubscribed because I refuse to preach in an online forum. And that's what ALL of you are doing. PREACHING! Whether you're Christians or not. It's ALL preaching. It's ALL lip-service! And it's all terrifically futile.




Speaking of a preaching falsely, and a total UNTRUTH:
i really like the idea that jesus was a reallly cool guy who preached peace, love and tolerance ... stuff that i can certainly get behind.Jesus, not for one second, EVER preached "tolerance". I can quote scripture after scripture after scripture of where this is just NOT true. He is God...and I am not. He is God and you are not. He doesn't have to tolerate a thing! Utter garbage!!! Flowery thoughts, based on nothing. But you keep trying to hold God in box. Tell me how that works out for you. Then again . . . keep it to yourself. <puke>

[BillyOmaha]

To all that are following this thread, including you Joe, I have a puzzle for you.

1- For those of Faith, God is perfect.

2- God created each of us, every man and woman (directly, or indirectly...He created the blob of matter at the beginning of the Big Bang that got it all started, or He created Adam and Eve as described in Genesis, or take your pick)

3- For those of Faith the first two must be truths, so then we, as creations of God, MUST be perfect. He who is perfect cannot create something that is less than perfect, otherwise that would be a mistake which is not possible.

For the sake of argument accept that the last statement is true, then why do we as God's children behave in an imperfect manner?


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[KBandit]

Jesus, not for one second, EVER preached "tolerance".

bummer. i'm pretty big on tolerance, personally, so on that score jesus and i disagree i guess.

i'm about as far from being a religious scholar as can be, so forgive me if intolerance is a central doctrine of christianity, and i just missed it. but i just figured that when he asked god to forgive his killers because they "know not what they do," it was an act of tolerance. maybe forgiveness is a mo betta word?

and that turning the other cheek stuff ... that's kinda tolerant too, nichts?

[zaphod]

Ah! That IS the question...isn't it? And if I answered, I'd be preaching. Ain't gonna do it.

Until we meet in person. Then we can continue this discussion. For now...I think I'll unsubcribe from this thread.


Jesus, not for one second, EVER preached "tolerance". I can quote scripture after scripture after scripture of where this is just NOT true. He is God...and I am not. He is God and you are not. He doesn't have to tolerate a thing! Utter garbage!!! Flowery thoughts, based on nothing. But you keep trying to hold God in box. Tell me how that works out for you. Then again . . . keep it to yourself. <puke>

Sounds like preaching.http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[vtwinwilly]

bummer. i'm pretty big on tolerance, personally, so on that score jesus and i disagree i guess.

i'm about as far from being a religious scholar as can be, so forgive me if intolerance is a central doctrine of christianity, and i just missed it. but i just figured that when he asked god to forgive his killers because they "know not what they do," it was an act of tolerance. maybe forgiveness is a mo betta word?

and that turning the other cheek stuff ... that's kinda tolerant too, nichts?
Gerhard,

I think you are confusing "tolerance" with "forgiveness."

BB

[hig4s]

Back to the movie!!

About 2/3rds for the facts used in the story are true, maybe a little less.

the rest are made up,, as it is in most fiction.. The closer to the truth the writer keeps it the more interest and more believable the story is.. He did a good job there and the movie also does a good job..

Now the asssertation, connections and assumptions made in the story are only at about 50% feasable.. The big miss IMHO of the story is that how would anyone believe that the primary and final truth in the movie, which is a valid possibility in the real world, could in anyway be a threat to Christianity.

"SPOILER" For those that don't want to know any more about the story don't read any further..



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The idea that Jesus may have decendents is quite possible, as a member of a Jewish family of that era his father would have done his best to have him married by his 20th birthday.. this would have been long before his spreading the word of God. And the church in general would think, so what. Whether he has decendents or not does not change who he was and what he did. And this is where the story falls a little short for me in the believabiltiy dept. But all in all I enjoyed it.

[Gino]

The Discovery channel did a fairly good historical look at some of the "facts" as listed in the book. Most of then were embellished or exaggerated (go figure...). The main "lineage" document (a major component of the book) was forged...

Check here (http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/davinci/davinci.html).

As someone in a previous post said - this is a FICTIONAL book with some "facts" used to move the story along...