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hschisler
May 17th, 2006, 10:51 pm
It's my pleasure to invite you to a Tech Session!

The Session will be held at my place near Rushville, OH on Saturday, June 17. Arrive as early as you like, but I think we'll start around 8:00... 9:00?

This is a first for me, so I'll tell you what I know now and you can ask questions:

1. I am located approx. 45 minutes SE of Columbus, Ohio in eastern Fairfield County.
2. It's a very rural setting, on 3 acres, surrounded by farms with just a couple of houses nearby, and 15 minutes from the fabulous Hocking Hills. Did you like STC II? You'll like the Hocking Hills. Same roads, just no Smoky Mountains.
3. 30x40 detached garage, with concrete floor, electric, hot/cold water, lights, FRIDGE, 4 overhead doors, 20x52 concrete patio (10x40 under cover). Gravel drive leads from a paved road to this building. Watch your step.
4. Plenty of room for tent camping if you want to stay overnight. Closest hotels are in Lancaster, about 15 minutes away.
5. DOOR PRIZES: BMW Motorcycles of Columbus is offering door prizes. How cool is that?
6. Lunch will be served, catered by my catering wife, a fabulous cook. Depending on attendance and interest, dinner may be served also. I will ask for donations to offset that expense, please.

At this point we are looking at a HID install (yours truly), new shocks (Joe/Messenger13), and other services to be determined. Joe will be on hand to assist with wrenching. I will be on hand to say "What's a wrench?" :D

We are looking for someone to bring a lift with them, if possible.

Please reply with your name and any services/installs you are thinking about doing or having done, and post your questions here.

Joe, what have I forgotten to mention?

messenger13
May 17th, 2006, 11:00 pm
Joe, what have I forgotten to mention?Umm...DONATIONS! Oh, you did mention that. :D

You done good Howard. I think the questions and comments will naturally flow in, and we'll handle them one at a time.


Thanks for hosting Howard! It's about time us Buckeyes got off our collective duffs and did some wrenchin', eatin' & drinkin', riding, camping, laughing, and all that other good stuff that happens when a group of LT'ers gets together.



COME ONE!!!COME ALL!!!

NOGILLS2
May 18th, 2006, 4:20 am
Sounds like fun I oughta load up and join you to kick tires and try some of that cooking. Sweet Tea?? I'll have to check out travel time, Have LT will travel!

NOGILLS2
May 18th, 2006, 4:24 am
Only 955 miles from my house to yours Howard. Could almost get a SS1000 in. 18 hr drive.

MOPMan
May 18th, 2006, 6:44 am
Bummer! I would love to come, but I'm committed to take our neice & nephew (like our grandchildren) camping/fishing on father's day weekend for their June birthdays. Maybe next time...

messenger13
May 18th, 2006, 6:57 am
Family first. :)

(That's usually a pretty good way to start the priority list.)

glenhinegardner
May 18th, 2006, 7:26 am
Hey Howard

Glad you were able to get this together, I will do my best to clear the calander for that date. I dont think I will need any service on my ride, but would love to see the HID and other things being done. Although maybe I should pick up a set of EBC or the other brake pads and put them in, I can't take the squeeelllling any more.

Glen from Litchfield
05 KLT

lurch102
May 18th, 2006, 7:58 am
I've got a tentative business trip but if it falls through, I may try to make it there, just to meet some folks and put faces to names.

hschisler
May 18th, 2006, 12:16 pm
I've got a tentative business trip but if it falls through, I may try to make it there, just to meet some folks and put faces to names.Cool; hope you can make it. My house is about 3 hours from Indy.

hschisler
May 18th, 2006, 12:19 pm
Sounds like fun I oughta load up and join you to kick tires and try some of that cooking. Sweet Tea?? I'll have to check out travel time, Have LT will travel!Capt. Gilless, if you show up you'll get 2 things:

1. Sweet Tea (my wife knows how to make it). She'll even make you a mint julep if you're inclined (with Woodford Reserve, of course).
2. Longest Distance Traveled award

makinne
May 18th, 2006, 3:00 pm
It's my pleasure to invite you to a Tech Session!

The Session will be held at my place near Rushville, OH on Saturday, June 17. Arrive as early as you like, but I think we'll start around 8:00... 9:00?

This is a first for me, so I'll tell you what I know now and you can ask questions:

1. I am located approx. 45 minutes SE of Columbus, Ohio in eastern Fairfield County.
2. It's a very rural setting, on 3 acres, surrounded by farms with just a couple of houses nearby, and 15 minutes from the fabulous Hocking Hills. Did you like STC II? You'll like the Hocking Hills. Same roads, just no Smoky Mountains.
3. 30x40 detached garage, with concrete floor, electric, hot/cold water, lights, FRIDGE, 4 overhead doors, 20x52 concrete patio (10x40 under cover). Gravel drive leads from a paved road to this building. Watch your step.
4. Plenty of room for tent camping if you want to stay overnight. Closest hotels are in Lancaster, about 15 minutes away.
5. DOOR PRIZES: BMW Motorcycles of Columbus is offering door prizes. How cool is that?
6. Lunch will be served, catered by my catering wife, a fabulous cook. Depending on attendance and interest, dinner may be served also. I will ask for donations to offset that expense, please.

At this point we are looking at a HID install (yours truly), new shocks (Joe/Messenger13), and other services to be determined. Joe will be on hand to assist with wrenching. I will be on hand to say "What's a wrench?" :D

We are looking for someone to bring a lift with them, if possible.

Please reply with your name and any services/installs you are thinking about doing or having done, and post your questions here.

Joe, what have I forgotten to mention?

Howard the wife and I will try to be there. If you can e-mail your address I will mapquest it:) I will be getting in from a business trip that Friday the 16th so hopefully wont be to tired to make it:) Thanks!

shadowofshoe
May 18th, 2006, 7:38 pm
Hey all count me in!!

Howard-I will be in attendance & can help w/ at least the food buys..did I mention I worked in a meat market?? How's a few tenderloins of beef sound-grilled served on silver-dollar buns w/horseradish sauce or whatever, just let me know meats needed I'll take care of it (lunchmeats as well). Check w/your lovely and apparently understanding wife and let me know. all I need is guidance on HID install.
If wives or SO's are coming I'll bring Mona if not I'm sure she'll keep occupied. Anything at all you need just let me know.

Mike 05K1200LT Hilliard OH

hschisler
May 18th, 2006, 8:44 pm
Hey all count me in!!

Howard-I will be in attendance & can help w/ at least the food buys..did I mention I worked in a meat market?? How's a few tenderloins of beef sound-grilled served on silver-dollar buns w/horseradish sauce or whatever, just let me know meats needed I'll take care of it (lunchmeats as well). Check w/your lovely and apparently understanding wife and let me know. all I need is guidance on HID install.
If wives or SO's are coming I'll bring Mona if not I'm sure she'll keep occupied. Anything at all you need just let me know.

Mike 05K1200LT Hilliard OHAwesome. This is turning out nicely.

Mark Kinney (Dayton area) is bringing his wife if he attends. My wife will be here. Haven't heard about other wives/SOs. All are welcome! I don't think this is a boys-only event. (is it...?)

Mike, thanks for the offers. I'll check with my wife about food and such. Typically she likes to take care of all the details, but with your connections...

I'll let you know. Thanks.

messenger13
May 18th, 2006, 8:52 pm
I'll be down Howard's way sometime in the near future and I'll waypoint Howard's location. Then I'll post the coordinates. Maybe even post a few routes in that area...or at least routes from the major arteries to the tech session.

messenger13
May 18th, 2006, 8:54 pm
After changing my shocks and doing who knows how many HID installs that day, I was thinking of doing a little GPS demonstration and/or training.

Anyone interested in that?

hschisler
May 18th, 2006, 9:01 pm
After changing my shocks and doing who knows how many HID installs that day, I was thinking of doing a little GPS demonstration and/or training.

Anyone interested in that?YES
I've never used a GPS; would love to see how it does its "thing".
Excellent idea.

hschisler
May 18th, 2006, 9:23 pm
We've had additional discussions on this thread today regarding the Ohio Tech Session. Here are some additional thoughts my wife and I are having. Please reply with your comments/suggestions.

1. Food: We hosted a similar tech session for VW TDIs last fall and lost money on that. On the one hand, a host should cheerfully bear that burden. On the other hand, should that happen? That said: what do you think about a fixed price for lunch and a fixed price for dinner? Kind of like we did at STC II.

2. Wives/SOs: a couple of guys have asked if spouses/SOs can attend. I think YES -- bring 'em. It's a fun day in the country for anyone who attends. Wives/SOs were at STC II and had a pretty good time... I think. We want to include our favorite gals, don't we?

I'm thinking (can I use one term for wives and SOs going forward?) wives will be bored if they are here all day. They're welcome to ride, wrench, read a book (outside, or inside our living room), sew, chat, take a walk down a country road -- whatever they please. However, if there is interest, we could put together a trip to Amish Country (1.5-2 hours away); the Longaberger Homestead (wives LOVE this place -- lots of neat shopping for items for the home in the Martha Stewart style; Coshocton (historic canal town with neat shops, 1 hour away); historic Lancaster (10 minutes away; nice shops, restored mansions, museums). Get the idea? If you want to bring your wife, then bring her but think about what she's going to do all day. You know best. I hope I havent' beaten this issue to death; just want your gals to have fun, too.

grifscoots
May 18th, 2006, 10:36 pm
Not to step on any toes here, but just an offering from one who's had many tech sessions and visited (can you say put to work?) a few:

Unless the ladies are close friends, or you live in an extremely exciting area, they'll be bored to tears. Imagine being thrust amongst a bunch of strangers, forced to kitchen duty and clean up and having to make conversation with someone you likely have nada in common. Sandar the mag always takes off to the coast, Dallas or shopping.

Whatever you decide to cook, plan your menu and then double. These boys can eat.

Be sure to have lots of spare parts around. Namely tupperware screws, well nuts and fasteners and other assorted stuff. Ya never know what'll break. I keep air tools, a 220v welder and some large oxy/acetylene bottles for those tough removals, or in case I feel like destroying something. Weapons of various caliber strewn about the place is fun and so is multitudes of sharp devices. I also keep about 20 valve buckets just in case you're in the middle of an impromptu 12 thou service and the valves are out. Brake pads, tune up stuff and lots of oil are a must. Yeah, I've had a few of these, and man, I really enjoy them. (PS: hide your good ceegars)

messenger13
May 18th, 2006, 11:31 pm
Grif...you da man. As usual! :) And your advice is right on target. I'm not sure how in-depth we're going to get as far as service goes just yet. So far, all I've heard about is HID installs, changing shocks (mine), and probably a fluids change or two. Oh, and some GPS demo'ing and/or training. Of course, this is ALL subject to change. But for now, I think we can keep the welder turned off. :D

As for the ladies, it's a tender subject, but it's important that anyone bringing their better half should know what really to expect . . . and if they have other options. Let's face it...men & women are different. Take 10 men that are virtual strangers, throw them in a garage with some bikes, tools, oil, and FOOD . . . and you've got a party! Women are just a little more complex than that. ;)

hschisler
May 19th, 2006, 7:17 am
Not to step on any toes here, but just an offering from one who's had many tech sessions and visited (can you say put to work?) a few:

Unless the ladies are close friends, or you live in an extremely exciting area, they'll be bored to tears. Imagine being thrust amongst a bunch of strangers, forced to kitchen duty and clean up and having to make conversation with someone you likely have nada in common. Sandar the mag always takes off to the coast, Dallas or shopping.

Whatever you decide to cook, plan your menu and then double. These boys can eat.

Be sure to have lots of spare parts around. Namely tupperware screws, well nuts and fasteners and other assorted stuff. Ya never know what'll break. I keep air tools, a 220v welder and some large oxy/acetylene bottles for those tough removals, or in case I feel like destroying something. Weapons of various caliber strewn about the place is fun and so is multitudes of sharp devices. I also keep about 20 valve buckets just in case you're in the middle of an impromptu 12 thou service and the valves are out. Brake pads, tune up stuff and lots of oil are a must. Yeah, I've had a few of these, and man, I really enjoy them. (PS: hide your good ceegars)Grif, thanks for saying this more candidly than I was brave enough to. It's my concern (as host :) ) that the gals will be bored. That said, they are welcome to attend and do whatever. They're all big girls and can plan ahead, watch the wrenching, or maybe take their guy's bike into Lancaster to see the (General) Sherman museum, the Georgian mansion, art galleries, antique shops, and so on.

My wife won't know any of the ladies who show up, and they won't know her. She's planning on doing the whole kitchen/serving/cleanup thing herself and is comfortable with that. Some help with carrying stuff from house to shop, general cleanup, etc. is always appreciated but not expected. I'd like to think that women are like men -- show up and form quick bonds centered around our mutual interests -- but after 28 years of marriage it's dawning on me that that isn't the case. Duh.

We have 2 wives attending, so far; both of those are short drives from their home. They'll have to figure out what to do for the time they're at the Tech Session, but all of the options previously mentioned are there for them. The world is their oyster!

Smoking: anyone caught smoking inside my shop will be shot and then asked to leave. Survivors will be shot again, by my wife. :D Smoke 'em if you got 'em -- but outside, please. We have 5 kinds of flammable stuff inside the shop and a 300-gallon fuel tank outside the shop. No sense in blowing out the neighbors' windows and getting seriously killed, as they say. Hopefully this is seen as a reasonable request. I didn't see a lot of smokers at STC except for the after-hours cigars and so on.

I have no parts, new or spare, or fasteners. Anyone considering service work should plan on bringing their own things. I have basic wrenches, hand tools and 2 portable air compressors.

shadowofshoe
May 19th, 2006, 7:28 am
Grif, thanks for saying this more candidly than I was brave enough to. It's my concern (as host :) ) that the gals will be bored. That said, they are welcome to attend and do whatever. They're all big girls and can plan ahead, watch the wrenching, or maybe take their guy's bike into Lancaster to see the (General) Sherman museum, the Georgian mansion, art galleries, antique shops, and so on.

My wife won't know any of the ladies who show up, and they won't know her. She's planning on doing the whole kitchen/serving/cleanup thing herself and is comfortable with that. Some help with carrying stuff from house to shop, general cleanup, etc. is always appreciated but not expected. I'd like to think that women are like men -- show up and form quick bonds centered around our mutual interests -- but after 28 years of marriage it's dawning on me that that isn't the case. Duh.

We have 2 wives attending, so far; both of those are short drives from their home. They'll have to figure out what to do for the time they're at the Tech Session, but all of the options previously mentioned are there for them. The world is their oyster!

Smoking: anyone caught smoking inside my shop will be shot and then asked to leave. Survivors will be shot again, by my wife. :D Smoke 'em if you got 'em -- but outside, please. We have 5 kinds of flammable stuff inside the shop and a 300-gallon fuel tank outside the shop. No sense in blowing out the neighbors' windows and getting seriously killed, as they say. Hopefully this is seen as a reasonable request. I didn't see a lot of smokers at STC except for the after-hours cigars and so on.

I have no parts, new or spare, or fasteners. Anyone considering service work should plan on bringing their own things. I have basic wrenches, hand tools and 2 portable air compressors.


Thanks for the easy out on SOs...Mona will probably head to Stubenville area to see families new babies-again. This was the answer I was hoping for, a bored wife is ..well not as fun.


Mike

lurch102
May 19th, 2006, 8:15 am
My wife dragged me through the Longaberger "Cult Compound" a couple years ago after a romantic weekend in a castle at the Mohican state forrest...

Hint #1: Don't even bring the possibility up to your wife
Hint #2: If she already knows about it, hide the credit cards

A bored wife is no fun, but still a much better alternative to "Girls Gone Wild in Dresden"

grifscoots
May 19th, 2006, 9:41 am
I'd like to think that women are like men -- show up and form quick bonds centered around our mutual interests -- .

What? You don't think you'll walk in the house, find them drunk and watching a porno movie?



We have 5 kinds of flammable stuff inside the shop and a 300-gallon fuel tank outside the shop. No sense in blowing out the neighbors' windows and getting seriously killed, as they say. .

Dood, you need to seriously loosen up... blowing shit up is fun!!!!!


I have no parts, new or spare, or fasteners. Anyone considering service work should plan on bringing their own things. I have basic wrenches, hand tools and 2 portable air compressors.

See, now you're missing the most vital thang here: Man Shopping. "But, hon, I really need these new tools and parts".

hschisler
May 19th, 2006, 11:09 am
I'll be down Howard's way sometime in the near future and I'll waypoint Howard's location.I'll alert the Fairfield County Sheriff's office to be on the lookout for you. Hope they don't block all roads leading into Fairfield County, like last time you passed this way... ;)

hschisler
May 19th, 2006, 11:13 am
My wife dragged me through the Longaberger "Cult Compound" a couple years ago after a romantic weekend in a castle at the Mohican state forest...

A bored wife is no fun, but still a much better alternative to "Girls Gone Wild in Dresden"That's funny. Dresden is about an hour away, and for those who haven't been there:

HOLY COW, it's the center of the Longaberger Universe madness. Don't go alone (as the sole man) in a group of women. You'll be ripped to shreds getting onto or off the bus, entering a store, and so on. You think a mother bear and a cub are something to stay away from? Don't step between a sale item and a female shopper in Dresden. You'll be lucky if you survive.

hschisler
May 19th, 2006, 11:16 am
Dood, you need to seriously loosen up... blowing s**t up is fun!!!!!No, I'm down with that. Bring your stuff over. There is an abandoned quarry 1/2 mile from house; it's where we do most of our plinking. Plenty of room to blow your stuff up. :D

Dick
May 19th, 2006, 12:03 pm
What? You don't think you'll walk in the house, find them drunk and watching a porno movie?




Dood, you need to seriously loosen up... blowing shit up is fun!!!!!



See, now you're missing the most vital thang here: Man Shopping. "But, hon, I really need these new tools and parts".
Hey, Grif - portal to portal, how far is Howard's place, ya think?? Huhmmmm??? :think: :crazy:

grifscoots
May 19th, 2006, 2:49 pm
Road trip? I've got some jalapenos freshly put up!

hschisler
May 19th, 2006, 2:54 pm
Road trip? I've got some jalapenos freshly put up!If you and Dick show up YOU GUYS will get the Longest Distance Traveled award, with all the rights and privileges appertaining thereto. :)

And, you will NOT see a "no concealed weapons allowed" sign on my property. Pack 'em if you got 'em. :cool:

messenger13
May 19th, 2006, 3:18 pm
Road trip? I've got some jalapenos freshly put up!I'll be bringing some Jalapeno jelly that's out of this world. A cracker, some philly cheese, and that jelly... Yeehaw! HEAVEN ON EARTH! :abduct:

grifscoots
May 19th, 2006, 6:23 pm
Well rat's butt. I was by all serious intent going to show. Sandar the mag has a condo rented at Port Aransas for five days during that time. Let's see...... do I want to hang around with a bunch of smelly, old men........ or ....... do I want to lay on the beach, play in the waves, eat some great seafood and roll in my sweet baby's arm's with the love of my life?

Oh, the hard question's of life.

Dick
May 19th, 2006, 6:53 pm
Well rat's butt. I was by all serious intent going to show. Sandar the mag has a condo rented at Port Aransas for five days during that time. Let's see...... do I want to hang around with a bunch of smelly, old men........ or ....... do I want to lay on the beach, play in the waves, eat some great seafood and roll in my sweet baby's arm's with the love of my life?

Oh, the hard question's of life.
Me thinks you can find the answer by listening to the one who uses the passenger armrests!!! :bmw: :D

gulfxray
May 19th, 2006, 8:54 pm
Me thinks you can find the answer by listening to the one who uses the passenger armrests!!! :bmw: :D

Grif, Not having met Ms. Sandar the Magnificient, but assuming she is at least similar to my wife, I think the "Stupid hurts rule" may come into play here... :) However that blowing stuff up part sounds pretty cool - almost had me packing a bag...

Howard, I hope you guys have a terrific session - please take pictures so we can share the experience and put some names with some faces...

hschisler
May 19th, 2006, 9:21 pm
...Howard, I hope you guys have a terrific session - please take pictures so we can share the experience and put some names with some faces...Hey Shawn, I believe we will; it's shaping up nicely. We'll be happy to share non-incriminating photos; the incriminating ones I'll keep for my retirement fund if you know what I mean. ;)

grifscoots
May 19th, 2006, 10:33 pm
Hey Shawn, I believe we will; it's shaping up nicely. We'll be happy to share non-incriminating photos; the incriminating ones I'll keep for my retirement fund if you know what I mean. ;)

Just make sure your pic doesn't have a number board and height chart:D

jsciullo
May 24th, 2006, 3:58 pm
Howard-
I would like to come to your tech session. I also have a lift - but no way to transport it. If someone has a long bed pick up truck that can pick it up and drop it off, your more than welcome to use it. Im about 95% OK but I also believe that this weekend is also a weekend for a potiential BMW rally in Ohio. Either way you can still have use of the lift as long as we can get it there. Im in Dublin, OH - NW corner of Columbus.
Thanks,
Jim

hschisler
May 24th, 2006, 9:00 pm
Howard-
I would like to come to your tech session. I also have a lift - but no way to transport it. If someone has a long bed pick up truck that can pick it up and drop it off, your more than welcome to use it. Im about 95% OK but I also believe that this weekend is also a weekend for a potiential BMW rally in Ohio. Either way you can still have use of the lift as long as we can get it there. Im in Dublin, OH - NW corner of Columbus.
Thanks,
JimHey Jim,

You're welcome to come on down. It's one hour from Dublin to my house N. of Rushville.

When/where is the Rally you're referring to?

I'll keep the lift "on reserve". Joe: do you need the lift for your work on the 17th?

Jim, I think we've had some offline discussions before; I work at Cardinal Health in Dublin.

jsciullo
May 25th, 2006, 7:00 am
Its a BMW RA Campout that was in the works. I just checked the web site and dont see it so it must of fell thru. Yes we have messaged in the past. Im going to try to make it down. Would love to see how to change shocks on this monster. BTW, if anyone local need to use a bike lift they can use my garage or take it with them. I dont have a problem with lending it out for use.
Jim

messenger13
May 25th, 2006, 8:15 am
I'll keep the lift "on reserve". Joe: do you need the lift for your work on the 17th?Changing shocks without a lift would be a challenge. We'll discuss on the phone our options of getting it there. :)

kdbell
May 25th, 2006, 10:42 am
I may be able to come by just to meet and greet the names of fine folks that I only know through this site. I only need an address and any specific hazardous warnings about the route. I am near Bellefontaine and about 40 minutes to the 270 loop via 33 on the NW side of the capitol.

Thanks
Kenn

hschisler
May 25th, 2006, 12:11 pm
Address:
4735 Gun Barrel Rd. NE
Rushville, OH (Fairfield County)
home: 740.536.7338
cell: 740.974.3524 (spotty coverage at home)

Rushville is at US22 and St. Rt. 664, eastern Fairfield County.

From that intersection, take SR 664 north 1.8 miles.
Turn left on BOPE Road. Bope Road dead-ends on Gun Barrel Rd.
Turn left onto Gun Barrel Rd. We are the 3rd house on the right, counting the house at the intersection of Bope and Gun Barrel Rd.
Two-story, columns in front.
Go past the drive at the house; 50 yards down the road turn right into the gravel drive to the barn.

From Dayton, Columbus, Pennsyvania, and points north of I-70:
Take I-70 to the Thornville/St. Rt. 13 exit.
Turn south onto SR 13.
Turn right onto SR 256.
Turn left onto St Rt. 664.
Turn right onto Bope Rd. If you get to Rushville you've gone too far.
Follow directions as above.

There is a more direct route for those coming from Dayton and Columbus: I270 to US33 South; left onto Pleasantville Rd. Pleasantville Rd. to SR 664; right onto SR664, right onto Bope Rd., then same directions as above.

WATCH THE GRAVEL. The gravel gets deep, and loose, as the drive approaches the barn. (For those who want to plan accordingly, this is #57 crushed limestone, not the #8 like at the house...)
Park on the concrete.

Specific cautions:
There are many gravel driveways entering onto any of the routes (state, county, township) in the area. Normal cautions apply: watch for gravel that is spilled out into the road.

hschisler
May 30th, 2006, 9:10 pm
I'm picking up Jim Sciullo's m/c lift tomorrow. It will be on site for the June 17 Tech Session. :cool:

messenger13
May 30th, 2006, 9:14 pm
Excellent!!! You going to try using it before your trip? Any need?

hschisler
May 31st, 2006, 7:18 am
Excellent!!! You going to try using it before your trip? Any need?The only thing mechanically that needs to be done to my bike before Friday is an oil change. Highly unlikely that's going to happen. Jim's lift will sit in my garage, awaiting June 17 to arrive.

I'll install the Baehr unit without the lift.

jsciullo
Jun 6th, 2006, 8:08 am
Howard-
I will be able to make the tech session. If someone could show me how to get rid of the cannisters on an '05 that would be great. Also, if anyone needs to use my lift after the tech session - if you can get it back to me - you can use it. It is heavy and will require a pick up and two people to load. I only use it a couple of times a year and hate to see it sitting around unused.
Jim