CCR Tech Session Information

[johnrehder]

Tech Sessions for CCR 2006

The tech sessions at Chateau Elan will be held on Wednesday the 30th from 9am to 5pm or when we get done. We will be demonstrating the basic 24K type of service on two K1200Lt’s.

We are willing to do other types of farkle install demos, depending on what is requested and who wants to step up to lead them. Examples could include a GPS or Radar Detector install, accessory shelf, ice link or maybe even a voice II or Com System install??

For 24K service demonstrations, we would like to have two crews of 3 people for each bike. At least one person on the crew must be able to bring the basic tools needed to do a 24K. An air compressor and lines will be provided by me along with oil storage containers, shop towels and misc supplies.

We will need two bikes to demo on. Volunteers can supervise the work on their own motorcycle, or sit back and let the team go “team” go at it. We will be changing the fluids, filters (gas & air), checking the valves and other important stuff (including possibly a coolant change, depending on time and/or needs of the volunteer bikes). We might even be showing how to remove a camshaft and show how to figure what buckets you need based on the measurements.

Mark Neblett and I will be leading the sessions and be the moderators for each bike. We will explain what is being done by the crews and answer questions. The room for the tech sessions is large enough to hold several LT’s.

If you have experience working on the LT and would like to be on one of the crews please PM me or send me an email to jcrehder@comcast.net. We should be able to have two Handy Lifts at the session.

If anyone would like to do a demo farkle install and is willing to teach others how to do the install please let me know the details. We will try to accommodate everyone but can’t make any promises.

P.S. We have received several requests for brake fluid change demonstrations. While we are willing to consider this, perhaps as a separate session, with all the other things going on in a 24K, time will likely be too tight for us to feel comfortable that it will be done right. Nonetheless, at a minimum we will do a hands-on talk/walk-though of the three different brake system fluid change processes. More definitive information to come.

[DaFlake]

Is the CCR Tech Group considering a how-to of the proper way of drilling the clutch slave drain hole?

Thanks,
Ramon

[meese]

Is the CCR Tech Group considering a how-to of the proper way of drilling the clutch slave drain hole?If they are, I know several guys who could run it. :D

[JPSpen]

The clutch slave drain has my vote for a good one to demo...

This is something that everyone needs to do on their bikes...

John

[pozo_izquierdo]

The clutch slave drain has my vote for a good one to demo...

This is something that everyone needs to do on their bikes...

John

C'mon guys, I'm getting curious. What is this? (or is this some inside joke to fool stupid non-professionals...)

Regards

[hschisler]

C'mon guys, I'm getting curious. What is this? (or is this some inside joke to fool stupid non-professionals...)

Regards(to others: I'm in a little over my head here, so correct/clarify if I'm wrong)

It is the drilling of a drain hole between the slave cylinder and the clutch, so if (when?) the slave cylinder fails it doesn't leak into the clutch, thereby ruining it, also. It's a pre-emptive measure that minimizes a failed slave cylinder to just that -- and not the clutch.

My slave cylinder failed, taking the clutch with it. This drain hole would have prevented that. It's happened to many others, also.

[Dick]

(to others: I'm in a little over my head here, so correct/clarify if I'm wrong)

It is the drilling of a drain hole between the slave cylinder and the clutch, so if (when?) the slave cylinder fails it doesn't leak into the clutch, thereby ruining it, also. It's a pre-emptive measure that minimizes a failed slave cylinder to just that -- and not the clutch.

My slave cylinder failed, taking the clutch with it. This drain hole would have prevented that. It's happened to many others, also.
Perfecto, Howard. Onliest thang I'd add would be a link to some pictures that showed up recently (butt I couldn't find the thread that contains 'em), so maybe someone can point Ari to 'em.

[Dick]

C'mon guys, I'm getting curious. What is this? (or is this some inside joke to fool stupid non-professionals...)

Regards
Found some pics, Ari. Check 'em out here (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=49182#poststop). Not ed zachery a farkle mod, butt a good one to make anyway!!

[pozo_izquierdo]

Thank you, gentlemen.

Again I learned more! I surely wish that this type of mod could be demostrated in practise as drilling a hole in the wrong place could be fatal...

Best regards

[johnrehder]

Ramon,
We certainly would like to show as many "how to" demo's for the LT that one would be hard to get in during the alloted time we have. Just the basic 24k services we will be doing takes up most of a day when everyone is gathered around two or three bikes.

With that being said if someone in this big LT group wants to demo that particular "fix" on thier own bike they are more than welcome to attempt it. I will leave that idea open for now and see what developes.

[larryschumer]

Interesting. This is the first I've heard of drilling the drain hole--my buddy's bike just blew it's slave and did take the clutch and also the transmission seals. It was an almost brand new 05. It was funny because he had no clutch action and we never saw any fluid leaking out and wondered what was going on.

[MOPMan]

We would be glad to demonstrate how we install Mick-O-Pegs and may even connect with Mike (Ottomans) to show how we have been working together to provide easy mounting of both on the same bike.

[jzeiler]

We would be glad to demonstrate how we install Mick-O-Pegs and may even connect with Mike (Ottomans) to show how we have been working together to provide easy mounting of both on the same bike.

Check out my post in the Ergonomics & Rider Comfort section. I received the new brackets from Mike last night and installed my Mick-O-Ottomans. Love the Mick-O-Pegs! :) Sorry I misspelled it Mic-O....:p

[MOPMan]

Check out my post in the Ergonomics & Rider Comfort section...

I saw that John. We have been working with Mike on even an easier fix so noone will need to ship their crash (tip over) bars to either of us...

[mneblett]

Hi, Gang -- Time to resurrect this thread! :)

As John mentioned, we will be doing narrated demonstrations of bike disassembly, using the 24K maintenance as our general theme -- although I expect that like in past years, we will also be showing additional "stuff", such as guided tours of the bike's features, showing how (or if the demo bike owner desires, doing) a canisterectomy, etc.

First and foremost, we need two individuals who want to have their 24K service performed for free :)

A couple basics:

1. It's your bike, so you can "control" what's done to it -- either by actively participating/leading the team doing the work, or by standing by and eye-balling what the the team members are doing.

2. We'll provide the consumables (fluids, filters, gaskets, etc.). The only exception will be valve shim buckets -- while we will be checking valve clearances and providing you a take-home sheet with the clearances, because we won't have an infinite supply of valve bucket clearances on hand (and because I don't intend to break our streak of every tech session bike making it home under its own power :)), we can't promise to that we will have the supplies on hand to correct out-of-spec valves -- you'll have to attend to corrections once you get home (but at least you'll know that they need attention!).

3. If you have a farkle and/or modification you want done, and/or you want things like cleaning up of wiring (such as re-routing wires under the tank), a canisterectomy, etc., we can probably get that done as we have in the past -- a complete VOICE II installation may be a bit of a challenge, but it's not out of the question :) Obviously, prior planning is the key to such "extras"; I just need to know what you are contemplating sufficiently ahead of time to ensure proper execution.

So, first things first -- please let me know if you wish to volunteer your steed for the education and betterment of LTkind :)

[MOPMan]

Mark,

We would be honored to have our demo bike used for the 24K demo. I have always tried to work on my own bikes and want to know the LT better and you'll help us get a good basic start.

[JCarver]

Hi, Gang -- Time to resurrect this thread! :)

3. If you have a farkle and/or modification you want done, and/or you want things like cleaning up of wiring (such as re-routing wires under the tank), a canisterectomy, etc., we can probably get that done as we have in the past -- a complete VOICE II installation may be a bit of a challenge, but it's not out of the question :) Obviously, prior planning is the key to such "extras"; I just need to know what you are contemplating sufficiently ahead of time to ensure proper execution.

So, first things first -- please let me know if you wish to volunteer your steed for the education and betterment of LTkind :)


Mark and John:

If you would like a volunteer for a HID install, both beams, I have it setting here in a box and would be more than willing to bring it for someone with far more knowledge than I to install it. Only bad part, I won't be able to arrive until late Thursday afternoon.

tia

[WildBill]

Mark and John,

I am wondering if you have all the service bikes lined up yet or not. I've had my bike worked on at 2 previous rallies and would be happy to volunteer again. I would be able to bring tools and a manual and some knowledge, I've learned all I know from Mark! Let me know if you are interested so I won't do my major service before I leave to go to CCR. I believe that you are doing the service demos on Wednesday, if so I should be available. I'm doing registration this year but am supposed to be "off" on Wednesday. So working in the service demo would be a great "off" day activity. Let me know so I can plan accordingly. (I sent Mark an e-mail on this last week. Don't know if he received it or if he is out of town)

Bill Wescoe

[mneblett]

Mark and John,

I am wondering if you have all the service bikes lined up yet or not. I've had my bike worked on at 2 previous rallies and would be happy to volunteer again. I would be able to bring tools and a manual and some knowledge, I've learned all I know from Mark! Let me know if you are interested so I won't do my major service before I leave to go to CCR. I believe that you are doing the service demos on Wednesday, if so I should be available. I'm doing registration this year but am supposed to be "off" on Wednesday. So working in the service demo would be a great "off" day activity. Let me know so I can plan accordingly. (I sent Mark an e-mail on this last week. Don't know if he received it or if he is out of town)

Bill WescoeBill -- thanks very much! You're in :) More details to follow (and yes, I've been tied up/off-line lately, so my apologies for not getting back sooner).

[mneblett]

Mark,

We would be honored to have our demo bike used for the 24K demo. I have always tried to work on my own bikes and want to know the LT better and you'll help us get a good basic start.Thanks, Jim -- you're lucky winner no. 2! I'll contact you with details as we get closer.

[WildBill]

Mark/John,

No need to hurry with the details. I'll be arriving at CCR on Sunday and staying through Saturday so I'll be around. Let me know what tools I need to bring, I have torque wrenches that I can ship down with other stuff. If there is a choice I've switched over to synthetic oil in the engine and rear drive. If that is an issue I'll go out and buy some in Atlanta to use so that I don't go back and forth. Other than that I'm happy to help out.

Bill

[was]

Do you still need crew members? I'd be happy to turn a torx driver, haul that load, lift that bale, go for coffee . . . I've done only one session of general maintenance on my own bike, and helped out at one tech session, so I'm green. But I can bring basic tools, include oil filter wrench and tranny drain plug remover thingy. BTW, if you look for my name in the list of registrants you won't find it yet; I just closed a deal last night with someone who is selling one registration, and he will let CCR know about me as soon as he receives my check.

[mneblett]

Back again!

Time to recruit volunteer "T-25 Torx Drivers" for the 24K service demonstrations :)

Looking for three folks each for the two demo bikes to assist the bike owners (this assumes both owners want to work on their own bikes, rather than watch the fun!).

Knowledge of/prior experience with tupperware removal required; patience and a sense of humor when getting smart-___ comments from the announcer and the rogues' gallery a must :):)

Tools not required (although I have only one electric T25 driver to lend out; let your aching wrist determine whether you want to bring your own ;)); don't worry about tools otherwise, I'll bring enough 3 lb sledge hammers :) (just kidding Bill and Jim -- the hammers aren't near that big :O) ).

Plan on the better part of the day Weds. (morning through mid afternoon), as we'll want to take our time to conduct "visual tours" of the stripped bikes and to make sure everyone gets to see what they want. If you would prefer a half-day only, I'm happy to coordinate tag-team relief midday.

Any Q's? Post 'em here!

[JPSpen]

I'll throw in for Wednesday. Sounds like fun.. Going to try to ride on Thursday, though. I'm sure my butt will be sore enough for a break on Wednesday..

Manual Driver, We don't need no steenkin' power screwdrivers to damage parts with..

I can work on whatever crew you want.

John

[WildBill]

Mark,

If'n you're only using a 3lb hammer you have a kinder more gentler approach than I.......I've got a power torx driver to unscrew all the tupperware. It'll be in my tool bag.

Bill

[KayGee]

How do you go about getting on the list for the tech session? I would love for someone to help me perform a canisterectomy and perhaps install a new shifter linkage.

[hschisler]

Not sure where you all are on who's doing what, but I need to get some serious on-the-job training on removing/replacing the tupperware. If that's the kind of volunteer you are looking for on some of these things, then I'd like to volunteer to help with some of the menial tasks. If, in the interest of time, you would rather have experienced technical-types doing all the "body work" then I'll watch over someone's shoulder or from the safety of the Peanut Gallery!

I'd also like to second (or third) the recommendation for the slave cylinder hole-drill demo. Every LT at CCR could use that mod.

[pozo_izquierdo]

Now that I got my GPS problem solved (thanks to Roy) we have good chances to find our way to the party site.
My bike just had a 40.000 km (24 kmiles) service done on Monday and I assisted the wrench a full day stripping and dressing the bike. Otherwise it would have taken him two days...

Obviously I have had my share of riding too by that time, so if anyone is interested in seeing inside my bike (slightly modified...;) ) , we can strip it and try to do to at least the famous "drilling". Why not oil change etc too.

Regards

[was]

Back again!

Knowledge of/prior experience with tupperware removal required;

Oh, my, yes. I've even got that big can opener I used, I'll bring it down.

patience and a sense of humor when getting smart-___ comments from the announcer and the rogues' gallery a must :):)

I've been a patient a good part of my life, and my meds are now well regulated, so I rarely get homicidal anymore.

Tools not required (although I have only one electric T25 driver to lend out; let your aching wrist determine whether you want to bring your own ;));

Not to worry, I have a torques (proper spelling) driver that measures in nM (nanometers, for the non-mechanical amoung you). It's not electric, but I'll bring that too. Count me in. Or one. Or if you count in binary, 01.

[TandemCyclist]

Obviously I have had my share of riding too by that time, so if anyone is interested in seeing inside my bike (slightly modified...;) ) , we can strip it and try to do to at least the famous "drilling". Why not oil change etc too.

Regards

I think all of us mod freaks want to take a look inside your bike. I need to steal some ideas.

[mneblett]

How do you go about getting on the list for the tech session? I would love for someone to help me perform a canisterectomy and perhaps install a new shifter linkage.Hi, Keith -- sorry I forgot to respond when you posted this. The tech session is a demonstration of the 24K services, which we are performing on two volunteer bikes. We are not planning to have an "open service bay-bring what ya wanna do" sort of event (although that is an interesting idea for future CCRs!).

I intend to cover the canisterectomy process during the session, either by demonstration if one of the volunteers wants it done, or by explanation.

If neither 24K service volunteer wants/needs their canister done during the tech session, we can either do it on your bike during the tech session if you're willing to strip off the right side tupperware and remove the trunk, or, if you're not comfortable doing it on your own, you and I can meet up to do parking-lot surgery some other time during the week.

[Texas42]

So did anyone offer up to sacrifice their bike to be pierced in the private part around the slave cylinder. :bmw:

[mneblett]

So did anyone offer up to sacrifice their bike to be pierced in the private part around the slave cylinder. :bmw:I did not ask for this one this year, for a couple reasons.

First, we already have a full platter with the 24K services on two bikes.

Second, due to the limited visibility, I believe this would be much better presented with an article with numerous photos, rather than in a ballroom where few would be able to see the work.

Third, I personally haven't had cause to perform the mod myself, and I am unwilling to do or supervise something to someone's bike that I personally haven't done to my own, so that I can guarantee we can maintain our current unbroken streak of every LT ever worked on in a CCR tech session making it home under its own power. :)

Fourth, I came into this year's tech session a bit late, and simply didn't have the time to investigate/arrange for it. I will, however, look to including it in next year's sessions if I can come up with a suitable camera/projection system for all to see what's being done.

[grifscoots]

Yo Marky, still want me to bring my buckets?

[mneblett]

Yo Marky, still want me to bring my buckets?Absolutely! It would be great to have them there if we find a reason to pull a cam :) Thanks again!

[grifscoots]

Roger, roger. In the leetle bag with the buckets, I keep the Gunsmoke write up and the cam tensioner tool. Want me to throw the #2 pencil that I've marked for TDC, or are you good?

[mneblett]

Roger, roger. In the leetle bag with the buckets, I keep the Gunsmoke write up and the cam tensioner tool. Want me to throw the #2 pencil that I've marked for TDC, or are you good?Sure -- better safe than sorry, since mine didn't immediately pop up on my workbench. Thanx.

[mneblett]

Hi, gang --

Let's plan on meeting in the tech session room ~45min-1hr before the session start time to meet/greet/set up.

Current volunteers:

Ari Ignatius
Bill Smalley
Bill Wescoe (bike owner; can step back and "supervise" if preferred :))
Howard Schliser
Jim Mick (bike owner; can step back and "supervise" if preferred :))
John Spencer


Grif, you wanna play, too?? :)

If there are any changes/cancellations/substitutions, let me know.

Thanks again to all!

[hschisler]

Hi, gang --

Let's plan on meeting in the tech session room ~45min-1hr before the session start time to meet/greet/set up.

Current volunteers:

Ari Ignatius
Bill Smalley
Bill Wescoe (bike owner; can step back and "supervise" if preferred :))
Howard Schliser
Jim Mick (bike owner; can step back and "supervise" if preferred :))
John Spencer

Thanks again to all!In case you're making name tags, it's "Schisler". :D

Also: I never, ever thought I'd see my name in the same list as some of those shown above. I'm assuming I'm on the list because of my reply to a previous request for people to help with a Tech Session. If you're looking for an experienced wrench I ain't it. If you're looking for general help, assistance, gophering, etc., then I can help. HTH.

[mneblett]

In case you're making name tags, it's "Schisler". :D

Also: I never, ever thought I'd see my name in the same list as some of those shown above. I'm assuming I'm on the list because of my reply to a previous request for people to help with a Tech Session. If you're looking for an experienced wrench I ain't it. If you're looking for general help, assistance, gophering, etc., then I can help. HTH.

Howard, my sincere apologies -- more proof I don't have enough memory left; can't even make it through two page refreshes to transfer a name! :)

And you may think you're in because you volunteered -- actooly, we're starting your training to become the next tech director :)

Thanks again for offering up your body!

[hschisler]

...And you may think you're in because you volunteered -- actooly, we're starting your training to become the next tech director :)

Thanks again for offering up your body!I'll be ready for that job. By CCR 2028. :rolleyes:

I'm guessing you still want me to help, and I'll be happy to. Just keep Rock away from my attempts at wrenching. :D

[Texas42]

Grif,

Along with your #2 pencil, are you going to bring your Munster Garage Shirt too?

[grifscoots]

Grif, you wanna play, too??





Oh, I'll be there alrighty just in case you cain't get a reverse knob off :D . Seems there will be a GT to tear down. too. The first time I saw El Jeffe's, I didn't want to ride it, I wanted to take it apart. We were in the parking lot of a BBQ place and he wouldn't let me. :mad: Mean, mean man!:eek:



Grif,

Along with your #2 pencil, are you going to bring your Munster Garage Shirt too?

I dropped it at the laundry and seeings how I've just been wearing t-shirts and shorts, well, stuff stays at the laundry for awhile. Besides, you think I want to muss that beauty after having it cleaned and starched? I treasure that shirt!

[was]

Hi, gang --

Let's plan on meeting in the tech session room ~45min-1hr before the session start time to meet/greet/set up.

Current volunteers:

Ari Ignatius
Bill Smalley
Bill Wescoe (bike owner; can step back and "supervise" if preferred :))
Howard Schliser
Jim Mick (bike owner; can step back and "supervise" if preferred :))
John Spencer


Hokay. Um, is it Ari or Howard or John that's gonna protect me from Bill Wescoe or Jim Mick when Bill or Jim notices what I've done to his bike?

Oh, I'll be there alrighty just in case you cain't get a reverse knob off :)).

Wait, there's a reverse knob?

[mneblett]

Hokay. Um, is it Ari or Howard or John that's gonna protect me from Bill Wescoe or Jim Mick when Bill or Jim notices what I've done to his bike?Did you ever see that scene in Blazing Saddles when the new sheriff arrives, everyone sticks their guns in his face, and the Pastor looks at him and sez "Son, you're on your ownnnn..."? http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Wait, there's a reverse knob?If there's not, we'll just turn the tranny around! :)

[MOPMan]

Mark & all,

I'll plan to be there early.

[hschisler]

Hokay. Um, is it Ari or Howard or John that's gonna protect me from Bill Wescoe or Jim Mick when Bill or Jim notices what I've done to his bike?It won't be me -- I'm a pacifist. Call me anything else and them's fightin' words! :D

[jzeiler]

Mark,

I would be willing to offer a Shift Linkage Maintenance 101 course in addition to the other stuff you have going during the tech session. I preach it a lot on the board so I don't mind sharing what I have learned. It can be done anywhere and on anyone's bike so as not to over crowd the 24Ks you have going. Will see if there is interest after I get there.

[Texas42]

Mark,

I would be willing to offer a Shift Linkage Maintenance 101 course in addition to the other stuff you have going during the tech session. I preach it a lot on the board so I don't mind sharing what I have learned. It can be done anywhere and on anyone's bike so as not to over crowd the 24Ks you have going. Will see if there is interest after I get there.


Yes I would like to see this, I have had both types of linkage break, so I need to learn how to maintain it. :confused:

[jzeiler]

Bo,

I'll see if we can set up a sign up sheet at the registration desk for it- otherwise look me up during CCR.

[mneblett]

Mark,

I would be willing to offer a Shift Linkage Maintenance 101 course in addition to the other stuff you have going during the tech session. I preach it a lot on the board so I don't mind sharing what I have learned. It can be done anywhere and on anyone's bike so as not to over crowd the 24Ks you have going. Will see if there is interest after I get there.Thanks, John -- if we can fit you into the 24K room, we'd be happy to have you in with us.

[munson]

Grif,

Along with your #2 pencil, are you going to bring your Munster Garage Shirt too?
I have mine packed and ready for Tech day!