So. Cal service party March 18th

[graydude]

If you can't make the 12th, join us on the 18th in Temecula. Same format as the 12th. For those that have not been to a service party before, we will have riders with experience in the task to advise you with your work. I'll provide the waste containers for oil and antifreeze. If your bike does not need any work, come on down anyway to say hello. I'll be providing lunch and beverages. If you have some of the more commonly used tools like a 25 torx driver and metric sockets, bring some. I have a pretty good selection of tools but if we get several guys wrenching at once, the common tools may be used. Meese put together a great parts list which I've copied here as follow:

Here is the list of parts needed as per the normal BMW scheduled service list:


For 6K (and 18K):

Qty Unit Part # Name
1 each 11 00 2 300 053 Oil Change Kit
4 quarts 07 51 1 467 608.5 Engine Oil 20W50


For 12K, the above list plus:

Qty Unit Part # Name
1 quart 07 51 1 467 611.5 Hypoid Gear Oil 80/90
2 each 07 11 9 963 200 Gasket Ring A14X18 (for rear drive fill & drain)
1 each 07 11 9 963 300 Gasket Ring A18X22 (for tranny fill)
1 each 13 71 1 464 916 Air Filter
4 each 12 12 1 465 104 Spark Plug XR7LDC


I don't think we have any 24K bikes, but if we did then all the above plus:

Qty Unit Part # Name
1 each 16 14 2 325 859 Fuel Filter
might want to include an air filter as well with your 24K


And every 4 years:

Qty Unit Part # Name
1 gallon 82 14 1 467 704 antifreeze


Other optional parts are:

Qty Unit Part # Name
1 each 11 12 1 464 823 valve cover gasket
1 bottle Dot 4 Brake Fluid
1 tube Permatex Ultra Black silicone sealant

If the 6K guys want, you can add the rear drive gear oil and gasket as well. It's not required, but also isn't really a lot of extra work.

That should give everyone enough info to get what they need.

msjordons2000 and myself (and DShealey if he gets his car running) will be providing tech advice. Please let us know what kind of work you need or would like to see. Looking forward to having everyone over!

Todd

[mjordans2000]

Todd and I look forward to your participation. Anyone who would like to assist with the supervision should let us know, especially if you have experience with one of the less common repairs. Also, if any '99-0? (anyone know off hand the date range for this problem?) owners are thinking of a 12/24K service, this would be a great time to upgrade your starter relay if you haven't already done it. Decide this soon, you may have to order the upgrade kit.

Michael

[Jriverside]

Todd: I well come by on my way back from the triathlon after noon or sooner. Jim

[graydude]

Sounds good Jim. Glad to have you!

[mjordans2000]

For those who couldn't make the March 12th service party, we had a great time and got a lot done. Elton was a great host and as usual Ken Meese was a great help.

Now let's get ready for the 18th. We are prepared to help you with 6k/12k service needs as well as special projects. Let us know if you plan to participate and what service your bike needs. Feel free to stop by to watch.

Turns out my bike, which I merely planned to use as a demo on the 12th, actually needs real repairs. Seems either the factory, or the last dealer to adjust the valves, didn't correctly align the cam sprocket with the end of the cam. The alignment pin was destroyed. The sprocket, and possibly the cam, need to be replaced, as well as completing the valve adjustment. We didn't get to bleeding the brake and clutch so that work can be done as well if there is interest. Please let us know your needs so Todd and I can get things going,

Michael

[meese]

That was fun. It was good to meet new riders, and old friends alike.

And thanks to Elton for hosting. I don't think I could get 4 bikes into my garage, much less have room to work.

Enjoy yourselves on the 18th.

[graydude]

Just a comment if anyone is concerned about not getting their repairs completed. I have a large concrete sideyard that one could leave their bike in an emergency. It will be well secured. You will of course have to find your own ride home but at least your bike will have a safe place to stay while you finish repairs.

[meese]

We managed to get through two 12K services, one 6K service, one oil change, and one Highway Ottoman installation yesterday. So five bikes torn apart and all five rode home (I'm assuming Elton's still runs :)). If you get an early start and an experienced mechanic or two you should be fine. That is, if there are any more SoCal LTs left to work on. :)

[strsout]

We managed to get through two 12K services, one 6K service, one oil change, and one Highway Ottoman installation yesterday. So five bikes torn apart and all five rode home (I'm assuming Elton's still runs :)). If you get an early start and an experienced mechanic or two you should be fine. That is, if there are any more SoCal LTs left to work on. :)


Well... one almost didn't get home!!!.
I will not say the name :) but I was called to help him about 12 miles from my home, with Engine Oil all over the bike... :)

Just let me give this advice (again, since I'm not the first one to give it) to you guys:

On the cilinder cover, there are 9 screws. Not 8 :)

[meese]

Hm, extra parts left over is usually bad. Glad you could help out though. Maybe we should have been a bit more formal with who was working on which bikes.

[dshealey]

Well... one almost didn't get home!!!.
I will not say the name :) but I was called to help him about 12 miles from my home, with Engine Oil all over the bike... :)

Just let me give this advice (again, since I'm not the first one to give it) to you guys:

On the cilinder cover, there are 9 screws. Not 8 :)

That famous stealth bolt strikes yet again!

As I have stated before, when you put all the valve cover bolts in it is easy to see all the little soldiers all lined up in a row, but forget the lonely little soldier stationed down in the valley guarding the oil well!

That one bolt unfortunately is in a hole that seems to open into a pressurized passage in the block. Grif was the first to discover that, I was the second. :( Sure makes a mess, doesn't it!

[meese]

What a perfect visual description.

How's your Bimmer, David?

[dshealey]

What a perfect visual description.

How's your Bimmer, David?

Well, the Bimmer is running. I finally had clear weather Sunday, installed a pressure gage to check the fuel pressure, it was there, although a little low (46 PSI, should be 51).

Hooked up one of the coil packs, put a grounded spark plug in it, had the wife crank it over while watching the plug. Hmmmm, it had spark.

Strange: fuel pressure, cam timing correct, and spark. Put everything back together, and it started! Ran really rough and would not idle, held it at 2000 rpm for about a minute, let off, and it idled. Now it is running just like always. I don't like this car's attitude! I questioned it's parentage, and it just looked at me and said: "WHAT?"

Now I am happy it was nothing serious mechanically, but do not like the fact that I have no good idea what the problem was. I ordered a new fuel pressure regulator, because if that is being flaky could certainly cause it not to start if it sticks open. I really don't know why it would have cranked over as if it had little compression though. Now it sounds normal.:confused:

As most engineers, I really hate being outsmarted by something like this.:mad:

[BEhrler]

Well, the Bimmer is running. I finally had clear weather Sunday, installed a pressure gage to check the fuel pressure, it was there, although a little low (46 PSI, should be 51).

Hooked up one of the coil packs, put a grounded spark plug in it, had the wife crank it over while watching the plug. Hmmmm, it had spark.

Strange: fuel pressure, cam timing correct, and spark. Put everything back together, and it started! Ran really rough and would not idle, held it at 2000 rpm for about a minute, let off, and it idled. Now it is running just like always. I don't like this car's attitude! I questioned it's parentage, and it just looked at me and said: "WHAT?"

Now I am happy it was nothing serious mechanically, but do not like the fact that I have no good idea what the problem was. I ordered a new fuel pressure regulator, because if that is being flaky could certainly cause it not to start if it sticks open. I really don't know why it would have cranked over as if it had little compression though. Now it sounds normal.:confused:

As most engineers, I really hate being outsmarted by something like this.:mad:

It just needed to be burped. :D

[meese]

Aren't intermittent problems fun? I also hate not knowing why something decided to fix itself, but sometimes it happens. The worst part is not trusting the vehicle afterwards. Maybe the fuel pressure regulator will sort it out permanently, but even if it works you have no clear indication atht it might not happen again.

For the record, several of us talked about heading out your way to give you a hand on Sunday. :)

[mjordans2000]

OOPS! And there was a brief chat about that very bolt, I guess we should make sure everyone hears that warning next time.

[dmatson]

I am good at learning things the hard way, most of the time I don't forget them. Thanks Ken and Michael for your help. I was able to get all the tupperware off quickly today with all the practice I had yesterday at Eltons and at the Tyler Mall parking lot! Thanks Elton for the rescue! Ken by the time I got home in the rain and with my new oil based paint job your bike was cleaner than mine!

[AlaskaFish]

I am good at learning things the hard way, most of the time I don't forget them. Thanks Ken and Michael for your help. I was able to get all the tupperware off quickly today with all the practice I had yesterday at Eltons and at the Tyler Mall parking lot! Thanks Elton for the rescue! Ken by the time I got home in the rain and with my new oil based paint job your bike was cleaner than mine!
Impossible! Although we did witness Ken taking water to his Bike once up here at Ernie's house, so I suppose it is a remote chance that it could be clean occasionally. Between rides!

Glad to here that the Tech Sessions are happening all over. Everyone benefits from them!

John

[meese]

Glad to here that the Tech Sessions are happening all over. Everyone benefits from them!Just trying to live up to my reputation. :) BTW, you guys are next. Probably up near Seattle, if we can find a date. Plus a few GT checkpoints while we're at it. :D

[AlaskaFish]

Come on up Ken! You know you're always welcome up here in the "Pacific Northwet"! Right now I'm in Bend without the Bike. Something about getting across the Cascades while there is still a lot of that white stuff on the road! In fact it was coming down white here in Bend this evening!

Let us know if we can assist with the upcoming Tech Session!

John

[strsout]

I am good at learning things the hard way, most of the time I don't forget them. Thanks Ken and Michael for your help. I was able to get all the tupperware off quickly today with all the practice I had yesterday at Eltons and at the Tyler Mall parking lot! Thanks Elton for the rescue! Ken by the time I got home in the rain and with my new oil based paint job your bike was cleaner than mine!


You are welcome Doug. Was good that I had a chance to help you on that :)

[graydude]

I've not heard from anyone on if they will be bringing their bike in for us to practice..er.. work on. If I don't hear from anyone by Friday I'll assume all the works been done and we will post-pone our session. I'm still happy to provide a place if guys just want to sit around and BS and experience farkle envy. I just need to know for planning purposes.

[dshealey]

I've not heard from anyone on if they will be bringing their bike in for us to practice..er.. work on. If I don't hear from anyone by Friday I'll assume all the works been done and we will post-pone our session. I'm still happy to provide a place if guys just want to sit around and BS and experience farkle envy. I just need to know for planning purposes.

It is not a good time for me to come up there, but if someone needs something other than normal maintenance items at a later date I would try to make it.

I would be glad to help/instruct with slave cylinder replacement and drain hole drilling, valve adjustments, etc. I probably would not make the trip for normal maintenance items such as fluid changes/brake bleeding, etc. though, as there are a lot of people who know how to accomplish those tasks.

[graydude]

It appearers that everyone's bikes are running like champs as we've had no one commit to our service party. As such, we'll try it again in May but the event for saturday is cancelled.

[drumsbmw]

Sounds like you guys had a good time back in March....well now its July, and I'm ready to host or join or help assemble our next service gathering!

See my post in the Southwest forum today...taking names and info and seeing when the best time will be.

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11914

Hope to see some of you there!

Brian