Concours or FJR or What?

[Robin]

If, suddenly, you had to replace your KLT with a new bike, but it couldn't be a BMW, what would you get? I love the FJR, but the Concours has a lot going for it. The Feejer is fast and has a lot of the amenities we like but is $13,500. The Concours is long-term reliable, but slower and has a buzziness. It is only $8,000, though, which makes up for a lot.

Robin

[ronjrieth]

If you have the $13,500 to spend, buy the feejer. If you don't....buy the Concours. If I could only have ONE motorcycle, it would be a feejer!
Ride Safe, Ron

[meese]

I left my '99 LT behind when we moved from the UK back to the US. We immediately bought a house, so I was hesitant to drop $20K for another LT. I bought a new Concourse instead. It was fine for solo commuting, but honestly I felt the LT handled better overall.

I ended up not going to CCR '02 because I couldn't see riding the Connie that far. I probably could've done it, but there was no way we were doing it two up. It even got to the point where we'd take the car instead of the bike on weekend trips. It just wasn't really comfortable overall.

So 8 months later I traded it in on an '02 LT and never looked back.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd rather buy a used LT than a new Concourse. Keep an eye out, the '99 and '00 LTs can be had for well under $10K, and you occasionally see them go for around $8,500.

Hope that helps.

[petepeterson]

Hmmmm?? Hard,hard question.....

I can't imagine not having an LT now that I have one,,but, I would probably go back to a FLHTC.. I could ride that scooter longer and farther each day than all the bikes I've owned..I would also go stand a take a long look at the Wing too.........Regards Pete

[dwsdad]

I've had my '86 Connie since '89 and have not ever regreted ownership. It has been a very stable and reliable ride and it is SOOO easy to work on. A lot of the Connie riders are starting to switch over to the FJR because of it's power and handling. You have to remember that the Connie has not changed significantly since it's introduction in '86, so by today's standards it is outdated. Does the LT handle better? Well, it should considering the technology change over the years, but I know a few Connie owners that have surprised sport bike riders in the twisties. Don't underestimate the 'ol girl! Will I ever get rid of the Connie? No way! That thing is just one hoot to ride. I can honestly say that I would part with my LT before I'd part with my Connie. You can also farkle the heck out of the Connie and still not touch the price of an FJR.

[DavidTaylor]

If it can't be a BMW, then probably an FJR or a Ducati ST4S. I don't think I would go Gold Wing, but I could revert back to HD and get a RoadGlide with the huge Screamin' Eagle motor kit. If HD made a sport-tourer on the V-Rod platform I woul definitely consider that.

[rixchard]

nothing. I looked at all the bikes used to go touring and this is the bike we wanted. If we can't have this we will go for the new jag convertible

[dshealey]

If, suddenly, you had to replace your KLT with a new bike, but it couldn't be a BMW, what would you get? I love the FJR, but the Concours has a lot going for it. The Feejer is fast and has a lot of the amenities we like but is $13,500. The Concours is long-term reliable, but slower and has a buzziness. It is only $8,000, though, which makes up for a lot.

Robin

If I do get another bike, it will likely be either another LT, or possibly a GS. I have seen absolutely nothing else out there I would want to even test ride.

[amarider]

As much as I loved the power plant and wind protection of the Connie, I doubt if I could revert to 1986 technology. The frame, suspension and brakes of the old school concours leave so much to be desired. The bike is very unforgiving and the brakes lock fairly easily, you need to be an experienced rider to handle the connie when pushing it hard. Otherwise I loved my Connie, the wind protection was great and I could ride her all day - just had to remember she is an Old School Lady.
The FJR on the other hand is more refined but was to small for my 6'1'' frame. I can't see how anyone over 5'10'' could fit the FJR.

[BMWphreak]

My 2 cents: I liked my Connie, I love my LT. However, you can buy a new Connie with a little haggling for about $7500. Put new fork springs, brake pads, SS brake lines, a fork brace, a de-buzzing kit, bar risers, AND a new seat and you have a pretty F$%%^ good bike. That will most likely set you back another $1k, so, still cheap. I think I might get another Connie in addition to my LT at some point. Bottom line: I could be happy with only the Connie, and they are bullet-proof.

[zippy_gg]

I bought a brand new Connie in 2004, kept it a few months and sold it when I bought my 99 LT used.

Not comfortable for me, even after installing the bar risers and lowered pegs. In traffic my hands would start to fall asleep and I had to shake them vigorously to get the blood flowing again.
And forget about going much of anywhere with my 5'9" SO... Just too cramped and not designed to travel 2 up for very long. The seat is wrong and needs to be replaced.
On the other hand I like the nimbleness... and yes it was a cheap bike. Then again you get what you pay for.
I think I would even look at a used Honda ST before considering a Connie... if a BMW is not in the picture.

[k12steve]

GS for sure!

Tired of plastic and the feejer has ZERO personality IMHO... :)

[RideIt]

The only other bike I would ever consider is going back to HD Ultra Classic. I still miss the old girl. But then the other old girl (my wife) reminds me that she enjoys the LT so much more.
Leon
05 Blue LT

[messenger13]

Hhmmmn... If I HAD to replace the LT, and the replacement could NOT be another BMW product (aka K1200GT, or K1200R) . . . I would simply replace the LT with a GOLD WING!!! :eek: HELLO!!!

Quite frankly, this thread cracks me up. Y'all talk about replacing the LT and suddenly a list of current sport-tourers shows up! What a hoot! THE LT IS NOT A SPORT-TOURER! It's a Luxury Tourer with some sport capabilities. The FJR could NOT replace what the LT does in a million years. Nor could any of the others mentioned. For one-up or two-up long distance comfort and ammentities...there's nothing to replace the LT 'cept for the Gold Wing.

[Bayliner2052]

for me it would be a Valkyrie Interstate


http://www.honda-geneve.com/F6/custom/99a-4r.jpg

[hoog62]

just Joe being Narrow minded


If the stipulation is (not in the original question) replacing the LT with another luxo-tourer then, yes, the obvious answer would be the Wing. I however, have no interest in a Wing as I feel it's capabilities are too limited for my type riding. I'd actually be more inclined to buy a V-Rod than a Wing. Maybe when I grow up, but not yet.

The Connie- don't think so
The FJR- I'll get back to ya after I've had it for a month, and a couple thousand miles.

[Johnfischer23]

What's an FJR????

[messenger13]

What's an FJR????
http://www.micapeak.com/bike/FJR1300/

http://www.micapeak.com/bike/FJR1300/FJR1300A/originals/ABS-5.jpg

[Johnfischer23]

Thanks, Joe...

Interesting, as someone else noted, the FJR in particular is not LT like at all...

Not any kind of a value judgement at all... it just appears to be a different sort of beast.

The Concours, which I've al least sat on, seems aimed more at being in the same catagory...

As for me... If BMW would make a new K75, I'd grab one in a minute. I had originally intended to sell my K75c after I got used to my LT, but I'm thinking I may well keep it... It's a different kind of ride... for a different kind of mood.

As a newbie here, BTW.. Just want to thank everyone for all the great info.

[messenger13]

Yes...if you scroll up John, you'd see that I was the one that basically eluded to the fact that the LT and the FJR1300 are not in the same class.

It's funny. Some guys get offended when I say things like this. As if I don't LOVE the LT. MY LT!!!! No...I'm just a realist, and they are all quite delusional! :D :D :D

[BigJohn]

NO DOUBT.................FJR

Concours? BZZZZZZZZZZZ BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[hoog62]

Here's an '06 with the bags



http://www.bmwlt.com/gallery/files/2/7/9/2/Yamaha-53.jpg

Power, Handling, Luxury: Pick any TWO, 'cuz you can't have all Three! :D

[Malki]

FJR is a nice fast, comfortable and light machine, more than capable of two up touring, I managed 10 countries on it in 2 years, two up and loaded. 145bhp makes it effortless to ride. LT that I replaced it with is a sluggish monster in comparison. Slow gear change, heavy throttle and really top heavy, are a few of the downsides, but the comfort, I'm hoping will come into it's own on a new European 4000 mile venture I have planned for this summer. :D

[dwsdad]

Joe makes a good point. The LT and the sport-touring class are totally different riding styles, which is why when I decided to get another bike I didn't get another Connie or the FJR, or anything else along those lines. I wanted a different style, but NOT a cruiser!

Now, as for the buzz that you hear so much about. It can be fixed by adjusting the counter-balancer and keeping the valves set. You can also add larger barends weights, or change out the bars and use a bar snake, or fill the bars with lead shot. But honestly after owning the same bike for 17 yrs, if that "buzz" (which I don't even notice) is all there is to complain about, then I'd say it's a damn good bike. Granted 2 up is a bit cramped, especially if the rider and passenger are fairly large, but I've known several people that have ridden across country 2 up, so it can't be all that bad.

If you're really interested in getting a Connie, then check out http://www.concours.org. What you'll find is a group that is as helpful and fanatical about the Connie as this group is about the LT. (another reason I chose the LT!)

[messenger13]

Doug,

Just remember that you don't have to apologize for the Connie. That old gal's been around longer in it's original form than ANY BMW of the last 3 decades! ;)

(Now if Kawasaki takes the current but soon-to-be obsolete ZZR1200's motor and puts that in the Connie, and gives the old girl a facelift...EVERYone will be drooling over her. You mark my words...)

[hschisler]

Man, the more I ride/learn/practice/read, the more I realize how many different bikes are out there, and how I'd like to ride each one for a month! If that were to somehow happen I'm not sure I'd end up with the LT, which I have now. I have a grand total of 1 month's ownership of a Honda Shadow 600, folloiwed by 6 months with an '05 LT -- not much experience to draw upon when comparing one bike to another. I see myself taking advantage of every opportunity (dealer, Bike Week, friend) to ride a different kind of bike.

Don't get me wrong; I like my LT but the FJR, the Valkyrie Interstate (where did THAT come from? -- completely off my radar, until now) and others look very, very sweet, and could be "the bike" for me. This is an ongoing process!

[wbbngb]

I have owned the LT, Concours and FJR. My decision would be made from how the majority of miles were spent. Two up - Concours. One up - FJR. The LT will cruise in triple digits all day one or two up with uncompromised comfort and amenities. I really don't see an option to the LT.

[messenger13]

Don't worry Howard. You've got the Crème de la Crème of touring bikes. The biggest problem I see is that most people want one bike to do EVERYTHING. Ain't gonna happen. Keep the LT, then find a smaller sportier bike as your riding level increases to complete your stable.

FWIW, the Valkerie is no longer available, IIRC. It had a lot of things going for it...but I could pick on it in certain areas too. Like I said, there ain't no All-In-One bike out there.

[hoog62]

This is an ongoing process!


Exactly. My preferences have morphed over the years, from dirt bikes, to sport bikes, to sport touring, to the LT, to the Wi (screeeeech!), back to sport touring.....

If the LT did not exist, I would more likely have a GS and a sport tourer than a Wing and a sport tourer. If I could have only one bike, it would be a sport tourer.

[messenger13]

Then again...Dave's bike on order is an AUTOMATIC. Some sport-tourer! http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/nutkick.gif

[TPadden]

Exactly. My preferences have morphed over the years, from dirt bikes, to sport bikes, to sport touring, to the LT, to the Wi (screeeeech!), back to sport touring.....

If the LT did not exist, I would more likely have a GS and a sport tourer than a Wing and a sport tourer. If I could have only one bike, it would be a sport tourer.

Make sure to give us an owner's report once you get the FJR - I'm currently debating the FJR / GT choice.

[Texas42]

I love my Sprint ST, but when we want to go together we take the LT.

[hoog62]

Well actually.......

The FJR1300A denotes ABS.
The FJR1300AE has ABS and Electronic shift.

They are not automatics. Every sales person I talked with refered to the AE as an automatic. My next question was "What happens if I pin it, and do nothing else?" The answer is, "nothing." I guess it would blow up eventually, but may run out of gas first.

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/nutkick.gif Back at ya :D

[hschisler]

Don't worry Howard. You've got the Crème de la Crème of touring bikes. The biggest problem I see is that most people want one bike to do EVERYTHING. Ain't gonna happen. Keep the LT, then find a smaller sportier bike as your riding level increases to complete your stable.10-4 on that, Joe. I'm learning that from reading all the discussions on this site. I'd like to hit the lottery then pick up the phone and make some calls to have new bikes (all different) delivered to my front door for long-term test rides. :cool:

[hschisler]

... The LT will cruise in triple digits all day one or two up with uncompromised comfort and amenities...I've seen this (high-speed cruising) mentioned several times. Where does one cruise (for 2 minutes, let alone all day) at that speed? I want to try that some time. I've had the LT to 115 mph briefly, but it was a rural two-lane with a long straight stretch -- prime deer-jumps-in-front-of-you territory.

[messenger13]

Well actually.......

The FJR1300A denotes ABS.
The FJR1300AE has ABS and Electronic shift.I knew that. Just making sure you're paying attnetion. :D

[messenger13]

I've seen this (high-speed cruising) mentioned several times. Where does one cruise (for 2 minutes, let alone all day) at that speed?Montana, Colorado, Wyoming...just to name a few. But nowhere in Ohio Howard. Unless you're feeling VERY daring. I did zip across Indiana's tollroad at triple-digit speeds whilst pacing two rich guys racing their new Bimmers. :D

[BMWphreak]

(Now if Kawasaki takes the current but soon-to-be obsolete ZZR1200's motor and puts that in the Connie, and gives the old girl a facelift...EVERYone will be drooling over her. You mark my words...)

That's what I've been waiting for, Joe, but I can't seem to find any news of that ever happening!

[dwsdad]

I've seen this (high-speed cruising) mentioned several times. Where does one cruise (for 2 minutes, let alone all day) at that speed? I want to try that some time. I've had the LT to 115 mph briefly, but it was a rural two-lane with a long straight stretch -- prime deer-jumps-in-front-of-you territory.

Uh...West Texas comes to mind.............several hours of uninterupted anything out there!

[dwsdad]

(Now if Kawasaki takes the current but soon-to-be obsolete ZZR1200's motor and puts that in the Connie, and gives the old girl a facelift...EVERYone will be drooling over her. You mark my words...)

That's what I've been waiting for, Joe, but I can't seem to find any news of that ever happening!
The latest rumor is the tranformation of the ZX14 into the next Connie. WOOHOO!! (if it happens)

[justincase]

I gotta agree with Meese for all the reasons he stated.

I love the concours for a quick fun ride and back and forth to work.

You can't beat the KLT for the long haul riding pleasure. I can't speak for the FJR, but I've heard great things from people that own one.

Good luck!

[messenger13]

The latest rumor is the tranformation of the ZX14 into the next Connie. WOOHOO!! (if it happens)As exciting as that sounds...it's highly unlikely. To rework the current Connie's frame to accommodate the ZZR1200's powerplant would be MUCH more simple than redesigning everything to accommodate the ZX-12R's or ZX-14's motor. Completely different architecture. Worlds apart!

By the way . . . Don't discount the "WOOHOO" factor of the ZZR1200's motor. Imagine a Connie with 135-140bhp at the rear wheel, outta the box. http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/images/smilies/yesnod.gif

[dshealey]

I've seen this (high-speed cruising) mentioned several times. Where does one cruise (for 2 minutes, let alone all day) at that speed? I want to try that some time. I've had the LT to 115 mph briefly, but it was a rural two-lane with a long straight stretch -- prime deer-jumps-in-front-of-you territory.

Spend some time in the Soutwest and you will see what we mean.

Western Texas, New Mexico, AZ and CA east of the Laguna mountains are prime areas for 85+ for hours on end. Been there, done that, often. You will hardly raise an eyebrow of even the LEO's in NM and AZ at 85, since the speed limits on much of the interstates is 75. I had a NM trooper pass me once when I was not watching my rear view mirror, and I was doing nearly 90 by GPS. Needless to say that gave me a little scare, but I did not even slow down, since he did not seem to mind. :D

Certainly not much of that type of area east of the Mississippi!

[meese]

I've seen this (high-speed cruising) mentioned several times. Where does one cruise (for 2 minutes, let alone all day) at that speed? I want to try that some time. I've had the LT to 115 mph briefly, but it was a rural two-lane with a long straight stretch -- prime deer-jumps-in-front-of-you territory.How about here:

http://eloise.cementhorizon.com/albums/cgcc03_misc/US50_the_loneliest_road_in_america.jpg http://www.lexpix.com/nevada/nevada_high/b/highway_50_distance_v.jpg

[hschisler]

David and Ken: yep, looks like I need to stretch the LT's legs and take her out west. Awesome photo, Ken. Ohio has its own fabulous roads, but of a different sort. (Can you say "Hocking Hills"? -- SE Ohio)

I think doing 85 (or more) in Ohio is a capital crime, according to our friends with the State Highway Patrol. :D

[dwsdad]

As exciting as that sounds...it's highly unlikely. To rework the current Connie's frame to accommodate the ZZR1200's powerplant would be MUCH more simple than redesigning everything to accommodate the ZX-12R's or ZX-14's motor. Completely different architecture. Worlds apart!

By the way . . . Don't discount the "WOOHOO" factor of the ZZR1200's motor. Imagine a Connie with 135-140bhp at the rear wheel, outta the box. http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/images/smilies/yesnod.gif

I don't see Kaw re-using the existing frame. I see them utilizing the new ZX14 and changing the chain to shaft, raising the bars and sticking a slightly bigger fairing on her. The Connie frame is too old and outdated to be reused. This next one will be a total rework in my opinion.

[messenger13]

This next one will be a total rework in my opinion.And that's probably a very true statement, once I gave it a little more thought. But do you have any idea how difficult it is to work on the ZX-12R and/or ZX-14?! The upper-frame IS the air box!!! Valve jobs are a NIGHTMARE! But not for the ZZR1200 . . . that's what I based my statements on. Maintenance issues.

[McRuss]

I guess I'm one of the really lucky ones. I dont spend my money on much other than motorcycles so I have an '04 FJR, an '05 LT and a '98 KLR650. I commute 50 miles round trip from the Hill Country of Texas into San Antonio and switch off with the bikes. Each is so different that a couple weeks on one then a switch is like getting a new bike! The FJR is a sweetheart though, and I have 27,000 plus on it. I put a Bill Mayer saddle on and a few other farkles but it was not bad stock. I have friends with Connies and they love them, old tech, slow and all. But I would still go with the FJR for the extra $$. (And there are a few low mileage FJRs out there for $8000 or so, some more, some less.)

[meese]

I imagine there are a few more low mileage FJR deals out there now that the '06 bikes are imminent. I also imagine the LT's will be in the same boat in about a year or so. :)

[Robin]

I have to say that I agree with the FJR also. I asked about the Connie vs. the FJR on both the FJR and Connie websites, and the FJR people wouldn't have a Connie. Of the Connie people a significant fraction would upgrade to the FJR if money wasn't an issue.
There is, however, the Triumph Rocket Three to consider, not withstanding that it is kind of a cruiser configuration. However, several of the corespondents to this thread wanted a Harley.

Robin

[messenger13]

There is, however, the Triumph Rocket Three to consider, not withstanding that it is kind of a cruiser configuration. However, several of the corespondents to this thread wanted a Harley.Nothing against a Harley or the Rocket III . . . but associating those two bikes (bike types?) with this thread leaves me speechless. And that is pretty tough to do, as we all know. First, the LT is a "sport-tourer". And now! . . . a Harley or the Rocket III is a "sport-tourer alternative".

Got it! Loud & clear. (I give up on this species...) http://70.84.70.244:8080/default/images/smilies/awcrap.gif

[hoog62]

Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.....

YOU seem to be the only one hung up on labels here.



Robin originally asked,
"If, suddenly, you had to replace your KLT with a new bike, but it couldn't be a BMW, what would you get? He goes on to infer that the Connie and FJR would be on his list.

Now he throws out the R3, and mentions the Harley, so let me go out on a limb and say he isn't limiting his choices to German built, 800#, shaft drive, fully faired, power ABS braked luxo-tourers with heated seats and grips, electric windshields, sound systems, cruise control, and on board computers.......in blue.

Or did I just prove your point? ;)


Joe, speechless? http://www.bmwlt.com/gallery/files/2/7/9/2/haha.gif yeah right....

[messenger13]

Yes Dave...I can honestly admit that when I saw the words "replace your KLT with a new bike", I assumed one would "replace" a luxury tourer with a luxury tourer. To a fault...I am very "premise" centered. And when one talks of replacing the LT, I wrongly assume they mean a bike that does all that the LT does. I just don't think any "true" sport-tourer can do that.

Kinda like asking a carpenter if he wanted to replace his 22oz. framing hammer with a new hammer and another carpenter recommended a 5 pound sledgehammer. Afterall...they are both hammers, right?

BTW...I'm agreeing with you. It won't happen often, I promise! :D

I really enjoyed: "Joe, speechless? http://www.bmwlt.com/gallery/files/2/7/9/2/haha.gif yeah right...."

:D :D :D

[TPadden]

Kinda like asking a carpenter if he wanted to replace his 22oz. framing hammer with a new hammer and another carpenter recommended a 5 pound sledgehammer. Afterall...they are both hammers, right?

Nope - more like asking if you wanted to replace your spouse would you recommend your wife's twin? I have no problem with the answer going in an entirely different direction!

Personally - I recommend the Mormon solution. :)

[hoog62]

IMO, there is nothing out there that could "replace" the LT. All bikes are compromises, the LT just allows you to compromise less doesn't it?

When Gail and I discussed the FJR deposit, I suggested that selling the Sprint and the LT would cover the cost of the FJR and its inevitable farklelizing. She politely said "Have you lost your mind?" She's subtle like that.

[JCarver]

My thought would be like Doug's, get the connie. It may be old technology, but it has never let me down, it is easy to work on, parts are reasonable, it has good wind protection, and it will take all you can give it through the twisties. As for the comment on brakes and locking the wheel, I guess I need his brakes as mine need more locking power.

Now it is not as smooth as the LT, but what is? It is just as top heavy as the LT, so you won't loose touch with that, but it is about 300 lbs lighter. It can do two up, but when you do you will have to downshift to pass. As for its shaft drive, never a problem one and I have 77k on it. It is the best bang for the buck and at its price one can afford to put all the farkles you want.

Heck, just do what I did, get both used. The connie is my weekday commuter and fun bike, the LT is for the weekends, tours, and two up rides. A man can't have too many motorcycles.

BTW, if the SO complains about the number of bikes you have, just mention that you are thinking of getting a new Bass boat. :-)

tcars

[messenger13]

Now it is not as smooth as the LT, but what is?My ZX-11 is smoother. I'd lay money on it... http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/images/smilies/yesnod.gif

(Not that it's a choice here...but it does amaze me that Kawasaki can make such a smooth bike in the ZX-11, and the Connie has some buzz at varying degrees. I don't get it.)

[dcwchfc]

What's the difference between the FJR and the GT as to riding position???
Anybody know first hand?
I rode an '05 GT and found the riding position a little too much on my wrists, and the bike's front end is REALLY heavy at startup turns, with little handlebar leverage cause they're so short compared to the LT

[meese]

Remember the '05 GT and the '06 GT are entirely different beasts. The former is based on the same flat four motor that the LT has, while the latter has the new slanted four from the K12S. I'd say they're way more different than alike.

[messenger13]

The '05 and '06 GTs are LIGHT YEARS apart. Without a doubt... I haven't ridden the new GT yet, but I have ridden the 'S'. And comparing the older GT with the 'S' is . . .well . . . comparing apples and oranges.

[ben1364]

Did no one nention the Honda ST1300 as an alternative or did I miss it? The ST13 isn't as fast as the FJR and it is top heavy and hot but it is more sophisticated than the Connie.

[meese]

Did no one nention the Honda ST1300 as an alternative or did I miss it? The ST13 isn't as fast as the FJR and it is top heavy and hot but it is more sophisticated than the Connie.Not any more. (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14539) :D

[murray]

Word has it the ST will be revamped for 2007. If you go to the honda web site they only show the 2006 models.

[niobium]

Anyone see the new Concours 14 over at motorcycle.com?

Looks like it has some potential goodness...

[Flint]

Bring the rpm's up to 3500 and rapidly feed in the clutch. The rear tire will spin on warm pavement as you make the quick shift into second gear and it pulls the front wheel a few inches off the ground and hurtles itself forward. Snap shift third and then start braking hard for the right turn into Dairy Queen. Yep it's a GoldWing. If it isn't enough fun then the FJR will do every thing the wing does but, it will just do it all a lot faster.

Just teasing guys but there are certainly a number of bikes to choose from. My personel "fun" list for the barn would include the Boss Hoss, the Rocket III, and the Suzuki V Strom 1000. I visit the Boss Hoss pages every now and then and just can't get over the 502 going by at 30 or so and a crack of the throttle makes tire smoke and some really cool noises?

Sure is fun to look huh?

Flint aka Denny Kintner

[DGM]

For me it was the FJR or the LT. No LT then the FJR. There are no other bikes in the Sport Turing class.
Just my 2 cents.
Don

[mikexup1]

It seems the last couple of bikes I've had, there have been reliability issues, and these issues have been with bikes that are new or relatively new. I don't like being stranded or knowing that a particular bike has problems just waiting to unveil itself at some inopportune time. These problems range from fuel injection sensors, to stators, to waiting for rear drive units to leave me high and dry. Along with reliability issues, we now have bikes that although they handle great and look beautiful, in hot weather they will bake you to the point of making the ride miserable (FJR 1300, ST1300, Triumph ST, just to name a few). All this and they still want over 12 grand for their bikes, and really it's not a money issue, it's a quality of build issue. I did my research, talked to people, rode the bikes, and bought a Concours. I don't care that a bike doesn't feel exactly right riding double, or velvetly smooth at the bars, I want a bike that gives me peace of mind that I can go from here to there without problems. I know there are no absolutes when it comes to breakdowns, but I like to have the odds in my favor. My philosophy: simple is better, brand loyalty doesn't make sense when they make junk, more money doesn't mean a better product, don't believe everything you read, somebody has to pay the magazines overhead.

[fas]

It seems the last couple of bikes I've had, .... in hot weather they will bake you to the point of making the ride miserable (FJR 1300, ST1300, Triumph ST, just to name a few). ....... I don't care that a bike doesn't feel exactly right riding double, or velvetly smooth at the bars, I want a bike that gives me peace of mind that I can go from here to there without problems. ......My philosophy: simple is better, brand loyalty doesn't make sense when they make junk, more money doesn't mean a better product, don't believe everything you read, somebody has to pay the magazines overhead.

I hear you and in many ways I agree with your thinking. I've owned two KAWA bikes and they were both great for their time.

As a 2006 BMW GT owner, the most important thing to me is how much SO and I prefer the ride quality at speed. For us, it's about riding and the feel for the road for us. We are blessed with the ability to buy any bike we want. Certainly, the GT is not cheap. But, the ease of adjusting the suspension for load and ride style, the power, combined with excellent heat management add up to our favorite. We added the large top case for our helmet storage. We love being able to carry our side cases into hotels. We rode our LT hard for four years. We prefer the ride quality of the GT. I set it for comfort with SO on the back and off we go. She jumps off and I set it for SPORT. It's like owning two or three diffferent bikes. With nine settings at the touch of a finger, the BMW GT suspension is really fun for riders who travel, then commute on Monday morning using the bike solo. I set the cruise at 85, or 90 and off we go. Smooth riding with lots of power in reserve to get around or away from the cageres on their cell phones. We sat at Canadian customs this summer when we rode to Canada. The heat was there, but the body of the GT does a great job while the engine temp stays in the safe zone. My LT would always go to RED way too fast if you got stuck in traffic and it was 90 degrees outside. The GT heat management is excellent. Again, not a cheap ride. But, at 4,100 miles, I must say the only thing I do not like is the terrible, silly, embarassing HORN. What a joke. Whoever approved this horn needs a good flogging.

My philosopy, built it for 2-up riders (not cruisers, or HOG polishers) and they will come. Sure, many will not be willing to pay the price of admission.

[McRuss]

I can't see how anyone over 5'10'' could fit the FJR.

Ummm, easily? Bar backs and a Rick Mayer seat. I'm pushing 6' and find the riding position on the modified FJR (04) a tad more comfortable than my '05 LT. BUTT, my wife won't get back on the FJR now that she's ridden a few thou miles on the LT; much cushier for the pillion.

[mikexup1]

Rob, I hope the GT proves to be the great bike BMW riders everywhere are hoping for, time and miles will tell. I have owned 40 some bikes of every brand and model in my time of riding, (not bragging, just a enthusiast and enjoy bikes), and there are two makes that have ticked me off by their reluctance to stand behind their products. One of them is Victory who put out a batch of bikes from 1999 through 2001 with bad transmissions(I had a 2000 SC). Instead of standing behind the product, admitting that a mistake was made, and making it right with the consumer, chose to ignore the problem as much as possible and wait for the warranties to run out or whatever their intentions were. The other bike that I was disappointed in was the BMW LT (I owned a 2000), the rear drive problems that cropped up, and the ridiculous amount of noise the engine made while sitting there idling. Maybe Victory had an excuse with being a new company and trying to get something on the market to satisfy the bean counters, but BMW had no excuse in my book putting out a product and then pretending there wasn't a problem.
I loved the way the LT rode and handled, but it was always in the back of my mind that there were issues with the bike that could leave me stranded. Some people can put this in the back of their mind, ride the bike, and not think twice about it, these are the ones BMW will get as repeat customers. In the world of the internet and the communication that can take place between like consumers, any company that isn't on the up and up with their customers sooner or later is headed for problems. IMHO

[jkersh1]

On returning to Arizona last week from the Falling Leaf Rally in Missouri I was cruising down I-40 in New Mexico. After rain showers early, the weather settled on windy and chilly. The wind wasn't as strong as I've seen it on this road since the 18 wheelers were staying within a single lane, but, doing 82 on CC, as I passed a loaded FJR I noticed he was doing the windy day two-step (one to the left, two to the right) and wasn't having anywhere near as much fun as me.

[johnw]

The new 1400 Connie is due in March. Many of the same amenities as the FJR. Price should be close too.

That said I'm planning on dumping the Light Truck for an '07 Black Cherry FJR sometime in the next 8 months. If it's half as good looking in person, I want the bad boy.

[sbrooten]

The new Connie should be worth a few months waiting. I HAVE to try that bike before I get anything else. That being said, I can get on the LT and ride a couple of hundred miles to get breakfast, and I'm not tired or sore. Could never say that about my previous bikes. If I don't think a bike will be comfortable for a full day of riding, I ain't changing! :yeah:

[McRuss]

82 on CC, as I passed a loaded FJR I noticed he was doing the windy day two-step (one to the left, two to the right) and wasn't having anywhere near as much fun as me.

Odd, maybe it was his tire pressure...or choice of tires...or overloading his top box....but I have marveled at my FJRs sweetness in windy conditions. The worst bikes I had for wind were the 1100/1150 RTs. I swear, I can have as much fun in the wind at 82 as you can! The biggest problem I have with the FJR is getting the grin off my face after riding it. Any where, any condition. It is so sweet and such an nice change after riding the LT for a while. I have the LT because SWMBO likes it, and it has qualities that the FJR does not. But if it weren't for her, I'd just ride the FJR and grin.....

[nplenzick]

Sorry I didn't get a chance to post this sooner. When we were at Daytona for biketoberfest they had the new Concours there, so I got a chance to sit on it. Very nice bike seemed to fit me pretty well although I was leaning a little to far forward for my bad back. It didn't look like the bars were adjustable but this was a non running version. Some of the things on it including the bars didn't look production made. The people there thought it should come in around $13,000 or so with ABS. If that's true, and if it performs as good as it looks its going to give the GT fits along with everything else out there!

[rlv]

Yep npenzick,
My guess is that BMW is fixing to lose a lot of customers over this little puppy.
Seem's to me that BMW cuts their own throat by doing some of the things that they do. If I were them, I would be telling the motorcycling public what is in store for the LT and even the GT within the next year, but be truthfull, if not that would ruin them with the public.
Seems like it's really all about horsepower to a lot of folks. Which is a good thing I guess, since horsepower sells.
But as far as I'm concerned my Lt goes fast enough.
The only thing that I absolutely hate about this bike is the smoking on startup when it has been parked on the side stand and the black suit left on the rear of the muffler.
I'm like David Shealey, just can't believe that they would not build a next generation LT. But on the other hand even my dealer has said that he does not see them building it.
He say's there is a problem with putting the new motor in the LT or something like that. But of course he has present day GT's and LT's that he's trying to sell in present day time.
By the way, Happy Thanksgiving
Richard

[REWDOC]

Doug,

Just remember that you don't have to apologize for the Connie. That old gal's been around longer in it's original form than ANY BMW of the last 3 decades! ;)

(Now if Kawasaki takes the current but soon-to-be obsolete ZZR1200's motor and puts that in the Connie, and gives the old girl a facelift...EVERYone will be drooling over her. You mark my words...)

Looky, looky, I'm waiting to see this. Supposed to be out this April! :)

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id=220&content=features

[pkpr1998]

Sorry I didn't get a chance to post this sooner. When we were at Daytona for biketoberfest they had the new Concours there, so I got a chance to sit on it. Very nice bike seemed to fit me pretty well although I was leaning a little to far forward for my bad back. It didn't look like the bars were adjustable but this was a non running version. Some of the things on it including the bars didn't look production made. The people there thought it should come in around $13,000 or so with ABS. If that's true, and if it performs as good as it looks its going to give the GT fits along with everything else out there!

According to what I have read regarding the new Connie, they are supposed to have something that will enable you to add risers without much of a problem.

To me, that would indicate that there would be a way of getting around the "humping" issue!

Y'all have a good Thanksgiving.

[jayjacobson]

It seems the last couple of bikes I've had, there have been reliability issues, and these issues have been with bikes that are new or relatively new. I don't like being stranded or knowing that a particular bike has problems just waiting to unveil itself at some inopportune time. These problems range from fuel injection sensors, to stators, to waiting for rear drive units to leave me high and dry. Along with reliability issues, we now have bikes that although they handle great and look beautiful, in hot weather they will bake you to the point of making the ride miserable (FJR 1300, ST1300, Triumph ST, just to name a few). All this and they still want over 12 grand for their bikes, and really it's not a money issue, it's a quality of build issue. I did my research, talked to people, rode the bikes, and bought a Concours. I don't care that a bike doesn't feel exactly right riding double, or velvetly smooth at the bars, I want a bike that gives me peace of mind that I can go from here to there without problems. I know there are no absolutes when it comes to breakdowns, but I like to have the odds in my favor. My philosophy: simple is better, brand loyalty doesn't make sense when they make junk, more money doesn't mean a better product, don't believe everything you read, somebody has to pay the magazines overhead.
Yes, I suppose you can't argue with Japanese reliability.

[jayjacobson]

If, suddenly, you had to replace your KLT with a new bike, but it couldn't be a BMW, what would you get?....Robin
Tough question! After reading EIGHT PAGES of responses, I would have to go with the Concours 14. Hopefully heat management is better than the FJR.