We're pulling out

[c00k1e]

Should never have gone in, but the British troupes are today pulling out of Iraq.

Before the war;
Major General Patrick Cordingley believed a second Gulf War would be pointless as it would only lead to tens of thousands of Iraqis being needlessly killed. As commander of the Desert Rats (the 7th Armoured Brigade) during the 1991 conflict, he led the Allied armoured forces into Iraq.
During the war;
"There's an upswell of disgust and disapproval for the Iraq war in the military," intelligence sergeant Selena Coppa "The difficulty is letting them realize they are legally entitled to speak out about it, other than to service members," added Coppa, who is still on active duty in the US army.

Camilo Mejia, the first conscientious objector to the Iraq war, went a step further. "I want our servicemen and women to know that standing up to an immoral occupation is not only their right but also their duty to their country and humanity," he told reporters at the opening news conference, which was heavy with foreign correspondents but light on US media.

And now;
179 good British men and women have died 'protecting' what?
65 of them died in Iraq at their own hands or in 'accidents' or friendly fire.
Countless will be scarred for life.
These figures are a drop in the ocean compared to the US and Iraqi figures. But every one was a son or daughter.
What was if for?
WMDs was what was rammed down our throats here. They never existed. All those deaths for a lie.
Disgusting

[Oisin]

Should never have gone in, but the British troupes are today pulling out of Iraq.

Before the war;
Major General Patrick Cordingley believed a second Gulf War would be pointless as it would only lead to tens of thousands of Iraqis being needlessly killed. As commander of the Desert Rats (the 7th Armoured Brigade) during the 1991 conflict, he led the Allied armoured forces into Iraq.
During the war;
"There's an upswell of disgust and disapproval for the Iraq war in the military," intelligence sergeant Selena Coppa "The difficulty is letting them realize they are legally entitled to speak out about it, other than to service members," added Coppa, who is still on active duty in the US army.

Cookie,



Camilo Mejia, the first conscientious objector to the Iraq war, went a step further. "I want our servicemen and women to know that standing up to an immoral occupation is not only their right but also their duty to their country and humanity," he told reporters at the opening news conference, which was heavy with foreign correspondents but light on US media.

And now;
179 good British men and women have died 'protecting' what?
65 of them died in Iraq at their own hands or in 'accidents' or friendly fire.
Countless will be scarred for life.
These figures are a drop in the ocean compared to the US and Iraqi figures. But every one was a son or daughter.
What was if for?
WMDs was what was rammed down our throats here. They never existed. All those deaths for a lie.
Disgusting

Thanks for posting. Unfortunately it will take decades to fix the carnage of King Georges scandalous reign. It is unfortunate that other countries were hoodwinked into supporting his insanity

[Moot]

Iraq is a chapter that for better or worse is all but written. That being said, what are your plans for Afghanistan? According to our president we are sending in 4,000 "advisors".

Listening to President Obama announce the Afghanistan build up I was struck by two things. (1) The similarities between his speech and the speech in which President Bush requested authorization for a war in Iraq and (2) The slippery slope of sending in "advisors". As a Viet Nam veteran I recall very well the morass that resulted from sending advisors in there.

Did these comparisons strike anyone else as they listened to President Obama's announcement on Afghanistan?

[meese]

Iraq is a chapter that for better or worse is all but written.Agreed, unfortunately. Although we'll be cleaning up this mess for a long time to come. And everyone who rooted for the war based on blatant lies and rabid patriotism should be ashamed. All that false red-white-and-blue rhetoric that was crammed down our throats has done more damage to our soldiers and our country than any mere protester could have done.

But even at the height of 9/11 hysteria it was clear that the Taliban in Afghanistan was actually harboring Al Qaeda, who are the ones who directly attacked us. And that Saddam had nothing to do with any of that. So going into Afghanistan was at least justified, if still messy (as war always is), but going into Iraq never was.

So now we've wasted 6 years, billions of dollars, and thousands of lives (tens of thousands if you count the Iraqis) and have nothing to show for it. And so we're finally focusing on Afghanistan, only to find that Al Qaeda has regrouped and reformed in the free-for-all Pakistan border areas, where they will be much harder to get to. And they're currently making serious inroads into the heart of Pakistan's geographical as well as political centers, where we can't simply make stuff up to justify another invasion.

Imagine if we had focused all those resources at Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the first place, we might have actually had something to show for it all by now . . .

[pickerbiker]

Agreed, unfortunately. Although we'll be cleaning up this mess for a long time to come. And everyone who rooted for the war based on blatant lies and rabid patriotism should be ashamed. All that false red-white-and-blue rhetoric that was crammed down our throats has done more damage to our soldiers and our country than any mere protester could have done.

But even at the height of 9/11 hysteria it was clear that the Taliban in Afghanistan was actually harboring Al Qaeda, who are the ones who directly attacked us. And that Saddam had nothing to do with any of that. So going into Afghanistan was at least justified, if still messy (as war always is), but going into Iraq never was.

So now we've wasted 6 years, billions of dollars, and thousands of lives (tens of thousands if you count the Iraqis) and have nothing to show for it. And so we're finally focusing on Afghanistan, only to find that Al Qaeda has regrouped and reformed in the free-for-all Pakistan border areas, where they will be much harder to get to. And they're currently making serious inroads into the heart of Pakistan's geographical as well as political centers, where we can't simply make stuff up to justify another invasion.

Imagine if we had focused all those resources at Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the first place, we might have actually had something to show for it all by now . . .

Pakistan is the real issue over there. With over 100 nukes and a government that is held together by a thin thread, they are ripe for Al Qaeda to feast on. Scary stuff.

[meese]

Pakistan is the real issue over there. With over 100 nukes and a government that is held together by a thin thread, they are ripe for Al Qaeda to feast on. Scary stuff.As I said, imagine if "we" had figured that out 6 years ago, instead of flailing about 1,500 miles too far to the west. Sigh.

[jayjacobson]

....WMDs was what was rammed down our throats here. They never existed. All those deaths for a lie....
I think the hundreds (thousands?) of Kurds that got gassed might disagree with you. Of course going in and ALMOST finishing a job that should have been done 20 years earlier does give ample time to destoy or hide the WMD's.
....Unfortunately it will take decades to fix the carnage of King Georges scandalous reign....
It'll take the same amount of time to fix as all the other "scandalous" reigns!
....According to our president we are sending in 4,000 "advisors".....
I'd just like to know WHEN are we gonna start killing people and breaking things? In other words, WHEN are we gonna start fighting--er--advising for real?! :confused:
....And everyone who rooted for the war based on blatant lies and rabid patriotism should be ashamed. All that false red-white-and-blue rhetoric that was crammed down our throats has done more damage to our soldiers and our country than any mere protester could have done.

But even at the height of 9/11 hysteria it was clear that the Taliban in Afghanistan was actually harboring Al Qaeda, who are the ones who directly attacked us. And that Saddam had nothing to do with any of that. So going into Afghanistan was at least justified, if still messy (as war always is), but going into Iraq never was.

So now we've wasted 6 years, billions of dollars, and thousands of lives (tens of thousands if you count the Iraqis) and have nothing to show for it. And so we're finally focusing on Afghanistan, only to find that Al Qaeda has regrouped and reformed in the free-for-all Pakistan border areas, where they will be much harder to get to. And they're currently making serious inroads into the heart of Pakistan's geographical as well as political centers, where we can't simply make stuff up to justify another invasion.

Imagine if we had focused all those resources at Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the first place, we might have actually had something to show for it all by now . . .
Speaking of imaging: if we had properly tended our borders and immigration process, combined with a few common sense security measures, we wouldn't have to worry about Al Qaeda or the Taliban, either. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

[LAF]

We are just driving them around like Deer, except no one is on line at the end of the drive.

We need to finish it.

You can not tell me we don't know where or what these bands of terrorist are at.

Hell with permission, just go in covert, do the job, and get the hell out.

Ruel Number 1 : Never tell on yourself.

And as far as our own borders, you cant tell me with the tens of thousands of miles of Sound Walls that are along our highways, someone cant build a damn wall to keep the cockroaches out!

[jayjacobson]

We are just driving them around like Deer, except no one is on line at the end of the drive.

We need to finish it.

You can not tell me we don't know where or what these bands of terrorist are at.

Hell with permission, just go in covert, do the job, and get the hell out.

Ruel Number 1 : Never tell on yourself.

And as far as our own borders, you cant tell me with the tens of thousands of miles of Sound Walls that are along our highways, someone cant build a damn wall to keep the cockroaches out!
Yeah but Lee, do you REALLY want to be responsible for those "torture teams" running around?! :D

AND if we build a wall, someone inevitably goes "tits up" at the wall! Can you really live with yourself WHEN that happens?! :histerica

[meese]

Great. Jay's back, resurrecting week-old threads again. Now where's that Ignore function . . .

[Steve_R]

Same place that it is for the ignore Ken function, I would reckon. :D

[jayjacobson]

Great. Jay's back, resurrecting week-old threads again. Now where's that Ignore function . . .
Speaking of pot/kettle!....BUT I DO NOT need the "ignore" button! :D
Same place that it is for the ignore Ken function, I would reckon. :D
Yeah, but that's the difference between me and an EXTRA tolerant guy like Ken: I NEVER pull the pin--er--push the button! :D

[LAF]

Yeah but Lee, do you REALLY want to be responsible for those "torture teams" running around?! :D

AND if we build a wall, someone inevitably goes "tits up" at the wall? Can you really live with yourself WHEN that happens?! :histerica


I can at this point in my life say emphatically YES to both of those.

I am too old to move real fast for covert (joint cracking is pretty loud), but I would do a week of "Wall for Americans Only" duty :rotf:

[jayjacobson]

I can at this point in my life say emphatically YES to both of those.

I am too old to move real fast for covert (joint cracking is pretty loud), but I would do a week of "Wall for Americans Only" duty :rotf:
:rotf: Very bad, Lee....Ken's gonna nut up tighten than a rusty old drum! :histerica

[gpolakow]

We better find a way to deal with the very real and daunting global issues that face us that do not require force of arms. We don't have the money, manpower, or will to go to war with every "rogue" nation that 's out there. We just don't. And I'm tired of seeing young American men and women sent off to die or be maimed in hopeless political/military situations in distant regions of the world.
And as for the Somali pirates who are now threatening to kill American crews on future pirated ships as a way of punishing the USA for killing three of their compatriots, all I can say is who do you think you'll be holding for ransome, asshole!