The Britts called...They want their guns back

[SLTex]

Cookie, Do they want their guns back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE

[jayjacobson]

Cookie, Do they want their guns back?
He's checking with Fidel now! :D

[c00k1e]

1. VERY out of date - that was a march from years ago
2. That was far from the biggest march in the UK
3. It was originally a march about the countryside being forgotten by the government and got hijacked by pro-fox hunt supporters (upper class twits)
4. The commentary is sooo inaccurate it is unbelievable
5. The interviewers obviously only asked questions about guns - but the march had very little to do with guns
6. I have never met a copper who wants the UK police to carry arms
7. Police 'body armour' amounts to stab vests - not bullet proof vests

Violent crime in the UK is amazingly small. But the media love to egg up the problem. For example: AT the start of last year, the papers were going mad about violent child deaths. But the fact were in 1995, just 44 people between five and 16-years-old were victims of homicide in the whole of the UK. In 2005-06 the number was less than half of that - and during the in-between years it varied wildly - statistics do that when the figures are so small. Crucially, four out of 10 child victims are killed by a parent.


The Martin case is 10 years old now. Facts came out in court that change many peoples opinion of him;
Martin, who was in the house at the time, opened fire with an illegally-held pump-action shotgun.
Barras was shot in the back and died at the scene
When his trial began in April 2000 Martin argued that he had genuinely been acting in self-defence. But it emerged the pair had been shot as they tried to flee through a window. This is not self defence. In the UK we do not allow this from a "violent eccentric who chose to act as a vigilante."
Jurors also heard that Martin had a history of gun-related misbehaviour, including firing upon a car six years before - an incident which led to his shotgun certificate being revoked.
He began an appeal after being convicted. In court he argued he had suffered from a paranoid personality disorder which diminished his responsibility.
The court found in Martin's favour and in October 2001 his offence was downgraded to manslaughter and his sentence reduced to five years.

The alternative to finding him guilty would have set a precedent and the way our laws are made, this would mean that anyone finding a stanger in their house would have the right to shoot them and ask questions later.

OK, in the USA that may be acceptable - not here. That is our law and we have the right to change it if we want. Like the USA we have the right to defend ourselves if we genuinly feel at risk. The most useful import for this is a baseball bat!

[Lee510]

We call that "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."

At least with the twelve, you've got a chance. You can't get away from the six.

If you look up the rap sheets of the perpetrators, they were probably in and out of jail more often than I change my shorts. The more they get away with and the less time they get if caught, the bolder they get. An armed citizen puts an end to their life of crime and suddenly the criminals are Choirboys.

[jayjacobson]

We call that "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six."

At least with the twelve, you've got a chance. You can't get away from the six....
We need to aspire to be more like Cuba! Imagine the jurors they have in Cuba--where even the hookers have college degrees? :D

[gunny]

Well Cookie chimed in with his opinion.

What about the other Brits? What's their take on this video?

[icepick578]

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OK, in the USA that may be acceptable - not here. That is our law and we have the right to change it if we want. Like the USA we have the right to defend ourselves if we genuinly feel at risk. The most useful import for this is a baseball bat!

It is also a fact that in the US, in the year before they outlawed assault-type rifles, more people were in fact killed with baseball bats (7) than were killed with assault rifles (4) but it was assault rifles that were outlawed. The clown show that is our astounding legislature takes decisive action to protect the people once again!

[jayjacobson]

It is also a fact that in the US, in the year before they outlawed assault-type rifles, more people were in fact killed with baseball bats (7) than were killed with assault rifles (4) but it was assault rifles that were outlawed. The clown show that is our astounding legislature takes decisive action to protect the people once again!
More people were killed but "assault" BOOTS :eek: also! When are we gonna have a lil common sense legislation like a waiting period for these very dangerous shoes?! :confused:

Now don't even get me started on those 3-4 ton cruise missiles know as "assault" SUV's! :mad:

[gholt417]

I was unsure of voicing my opinions in this thread as i'm not into mudslinging and I'm not into going through statistics to back up any views I may agree wth or diagree with. But....since gunny asked for opinions from other brits...

Yes, as cookie said, the protest march was from the countryside alliance and was hijacked by the pro-fox hunting brigade. I am concerned that the commentator can twist the march into one about guns. I have no recollection whatsoever of any issues relaton to banning guns. I do have to question the motives of the clip.

Over the years I have read many threads relating to views on gun control, my views are (what you might expect from this side of the pond) that I am happy that guns are banned and I feel safer that not all police are armed.

I am not preaching to anyone which view is best, its my view basd on someone living in the UK, where guns have not been a way of life. Obviously it is different in the US, and I am not saying that US pro-gun people are right or wrong, however I do feel uncomfortable when in US knowing that so many people are armed.

Graham

[gunny]

Graham:
Thank you for your input.
Here in the colonies, we might not agree with your point of view but will fight for your right to voice your opinion.

[jayjacobson]

....however I do feel uncomfortable when in US knowing that so many people are armed.
I feel uncomfortable in the US knowing that so many BAD guys are armed--and so many silly laws prevent the good guys FROM being armed! :(

[myk_edwards]

What about the other Brits? What's their take on this video?

The Video/March was Hijacked to try and make a point, but having said that......

I would feel happier having a weapon other than a baseball bat in my house. I was trained to use various weapons while in the military, and if some F%&ker enters my house without my consent, then I'd rather empty a clip into the toe-rag than try and beat him to death with a piece of wood.

I think Tony Martin was right to shoot, and was in error because he didn't finish the job, one twat got away.

[jayjacobson]

....I would feel happier having a weapon other than a baseball bat in my house. I was trained to use various weapons while in the military, and if some F%&ker enters my house without my consent, then I'd rather empty a clip into the toe-rag than try and beat him to death with a piece of wood.

I think Tony Martin was right to shoot, and was in error because he didn't finish the job, one twat got away.
Myk, my man....According to Cookie of Cuba, that's not how we--er--you do things in England. This sort of senseless, gratuitous, gun-loving violence is ONLY prevalent in the USA. Look, even the cops don't carry guns, right? So why would you need one? I'm positive that a criminal who would break into your house, across the pond, couldn't be like said criminal here. In England, I'm sure you can calmly, rationally explain that you have no firearm. Mr criminal will greatly appreciate that you're not gonna blast him, see the error of his ways, and quietly back out the way he came. ;)

Now, don't you FEEL safer--not having a gun? :confused:

[myk_edwards]

Now, don't you FEEL safer--not having a gun? :confused:

Not wishing to offend! :p "Go blow it out your arse" :histerica

I'm sorry, but if someone come on to my property uninvited and I think they are a threat to my families safety in any way shape or form, they better start making for the exit very quickly. The only thing that might stop me from hunting them down and removing their hands with any blunt instrument I can find would be the intervention of the poilice, but the chances of every actually seeing a copper in this country not busy filling out some forms it pretty slim.

Shoot first ask questions later, and if you are shooting straight, they will not be able to answer :)

I do think we need to have some changes in perception in this country, you can use reasonable force if someone has entered your house, that I believe is written into our law books, and you are trying to get them to leave, but in every case I've read about, the house holder has been assumed guilty, when in fact the criminal with 49 prevoius convictions is seen as the victim. I think a few more dead trespassers might get the others thinking before entering a property. The sad fact is, and I don't think it's just in the UK, people have little or no respect for others, and I think you can see that in many of the younger generation today. I'm not tarring all young kids, but they just don't have the respect I remeber when we were younger. I can remember getting a clip round the ear from the local Bobby when I was messing about, and it didn't turn me into an axe murderer. OK rant mode off, back to the the big smiles.
:D :D

[jayjacobson]

Not wishing to offend! :p "Go blow it out your arse" :histerica......Shoot first ask questions later, and if you are shooting straight, they will not be able to answer :)....
:) Myk, you're a very violent guy! These poor, misunderstood criminals don't have a chance. But that's what I like about you. :D

[gunny]

Not wishing to offend! :p "Go blow it out your arse" :histerica

I'm sorry, but if someone come on to my property uninvited and I think they are a threat to my families safety in any way shape or form, they better start making for the exit very quickly. The only thing that might stop me from hunting them down and removing their hands with any blunt instrument I can find would be the intervention of the poilice, but the chances of every actually seeing a copper in this country not busy filling out some forms it pretty slim.

Shoot first ask questions later, and if you are shooting straight, they will not be able to answer :)



Here we call it Three S. Shoot, shovel, shutup.

[meese]

Here in the colonies, we might not agree with your point of view but will fight for your right to voice your opinion.Unless you happen to disagree with said opinion and the way it is voiced, or who it happens to be voiced by.

"Well, I wanted to protect his right to free speech, but not if he's gonna burn a flag. And that other guy, well he looked kinda shifty and foreign to me, so he's on his own. But I'm bored now. Wanna go bash some gays?"

If you're gonna fight for someone's rights, then you have to fight for all their rights, not just the ones you happen to agree with. See hypocrite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite).

[jayjacobson]

....But I'm bored now. Wanna go bash some gays?....
:rotf: Beat you to it....Prop 8 already passed! :histerica

[ldbikin]

"I do think we need to have some changes in perception in this country, you can use reasonable force if someone has entered your house, that I believe is written into our law books, and you are trying to get them to leave, but in every case I've read about, the house holder has been assumed guilty, when in fact the criminal with 49 prevoius convictions is seen as the victim."

Are you talking about Los Angeles??? :histerica

[RonKMiller]

"I do think we need to have some changes in perception in this country, you can use reasonable force if someone has entered your house, that I believe is written into our law books, and you are trying to get them to leave, but in every case I've read about, the house holder has been assumed guilty, when in fact the criminal with 49 prevoius convictions is seen as the victim."

Are you talking about Los Angeles??? :histerica

No, but I am: ;)

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )

(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

[Randy]

No, but I am: ;)

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

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Tongue planted firmly in cheek ;)

[jayjacobson]

"I do think we need to have some changes in perception in this country, you can use reasonable force if someone has entered your house, that I believe is written into our law books, and you are trying to get them to leave, but in every case I've read about, the house holder has been assumed guilty, when in fact the criminal with 49 prevoius convictions is seen as the victim."

Are you talking about Los Angeles??? :histerica
:rotf: I see you've been here before? :histerica
No, but I am: ;)

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )

(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)
Ron, where are we going with this?! :confused: Los Angeles is still a beautiful place to live and work! :rolleyes: Hell, same for ALL of So Kal! ;)

[RonKMiller]

:rotf: I see you've been here before? :histerica

Ron, where are we going with this?! :confused: Los Angeles is still a beautiful place to live and work! :rolleyes: Hell, same for ALL of So Kal! ;)

Actually - nowhere!

I just thought it was interesting reading from a local newspaper.

The wife and I spent 10 days near Carlsbad for a vacation last Labor Day. We had a great time and we're looking forward to going back again. Even left the doors open at night to let in the fresh air. :)

[jayjacobson]

Actually - nowhere! I just thought it was interesting reading from a local newspaper....
OK good! Without all those leeches and criminal aliens, the So Cal area just wouldn't be as nice.... ;)

[Fedexrider]

Unless you happen to disagree with said opinion and the way it is voiced, or who it happens to be voiced by.

"Well, I wanted to protect his right to free speech, but not if he's gonna burn a flag. And that other guy, well he looked kinda shifty and foreign to me, so he's on his own. But I'm bored now. Wanna go bash some gays?"

If you're gonna fight for someone's rights, then you have to fight for all their rights, not just the ones you happen to agree with. See hypocrite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite).

:crybaby: