Schwarzenegger unlicensed

[KBandit]

it turns out "the governator" has no motorcycle endorsement. how come i'm not surprised?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10794604/

[RaffyK]

yes but he has a Class C which allows him to ride a motorcycle with sidecar.

[messenger13]

it turns out "the governator" has no motorcycle endorsement. how come i'm not surprised?

Because you're prejudice?!
I can't think of any other logical reason...

[rickcavanaugh]

Well....

He has run into 2 cars so far. First time give him he benefit of doubt, second time?

[Jerrod Maguire]

He's been in the news riding bikes for years and rarely, almost never, with a side car. That's a ridiculus example of leadership... and I like Arnold to a certain degree. He's breaking the law, an obvious one at that, no matter how minor, and he's the govenor for crying out loud. I'm still smiling at the irony here.

[messenger13]

Let's not forget that Arnold did not break the law in this reporting. The accident involved a bike w/ a sidecar in which he is completely and legally licensed to operate.

[dshealey]

But Clinton telling the whole world that oral sex is NOT sex is a fine example of great leadership? Where's our priorities? Let's not forget that Arnold did not break the law in this reporting. The accident involved a bike w/ a sidecar in which he is completely and legally licensed to operate.

Correct. Regardless of whether he has been rather stupid for riding other motorcycles in the past without the proper endorsement, in this case he was legal. The other stuff cannot be brought up in a court case, and is not relevant to this one case. If Class C license allows sidecar operation, then the escort detail had no reason to check for a motorcycle endorsement.

Still, it is awfully stupid for the governer to not have the endorsement if he is going to ride motorcycles!

[RonKMiller]

Lewinsky and Clinton have shown
What Kaczynski must surely have known
That an intern is better
Than a bomb in a letter
When deciding how best to be blown

Breathe in, breathe out. It is OK to laugh at this Joe - REALLY. ;) Jesus would. ...and so would Wild Willy! :)

Tell me I did not make you laugh! ;)

[pjessen]

Still, it is awfully stupid for the governer to not have the endorsement if he is going to ride motorcycles!
For sure! But, I still have anyone even venture an educated guess about the percentage of riders that have the endorsement...it must be a "let sleeping dogs lie" law. Dummy me. When I got back to motorbikes, I thought Everybody had the endorsement. Ha! The only gatekeeper is the LEO that stops you. A small percentage for sure.

[airborneod]

Hey, I've ridden with Arnold in the past. He had a big run when he opened Planet Hollywood with Bruce Willits and then again on a Vetrans run. As a rider I give him A-, as Governator, he's a C.

[KBandit]

Because you're prejudice?!
I can't think of any other logical reason...

prejudiced against whom? austrians? body builders? republicans? actors? if you are going to personally attack me please be specific so i can defend myself properly.

actually there is another "logical reason." arnold won the election by positioning himself as a moderate republican, and i agreed with his position on most issues. i even voted for him (prejudiced?). but soon after he took office he reversed himself on many of those key issues, while publicly displaying for all to see how incompetent he is as a consensus builder.

so, no ... i am not at all surprised that he would ride for years in california without an endorsement.

[glenn]

I was curious, I never dealt with any side cars in my previous life. Ca. vehicle code says what he was riding is a motorcycle by definition. The licensing section says the motorcycle endorsement is only required for a two wheel motorcycle. I would say he is in the clear in this specific instance. I guess he could even operate a one wheel motorcycle with his current license

[KBandit]

I was curious, I never dealt with any side cars in my previous life. Ca. vehicle code says what he was riding is a motorcycle by definition. The licensing section says the motorcycle endorsement is only required for a two wheel motorcycle. I would say he is in the clear in this specific instance. I guess he could even operate a one wheel motorcycle with his current license

you are correct ... he is clear in this particular instance. the problem is he's been motorcycling in california for many years. he even appeared on motorcycles in several high-profile movies, such as the "Terminator" series.

[pkpr1998]

Personally, he wears too much makeup and his hair is always greasy!

What happened to the Terminator?

Oh, and to respond to the original post, yes, he should have a full MC license.

I will not address the other issue! LOL

[justincase]

Hey, I've ridden with Arnold in the past. He had a big run when he opened Planet Hollywood with Bruce Willits and then again on a Vetrans run. As a rider I give him A-, as Governator, he's a C.


I just can't get passed the fact that CA allows drivers of motorcycles with sidecars to NOT need an license...that just sounds dumb...

[rdtebeau]

Do they make one wheeled motorcycles? Would that fall in the same class as a 3-wheeled BIcycle.

Seriously (maybe) hoping not to get flamed on this one-
I had a close friend that was a LEO motorcop that never had a motorcycle endorsement the entire time he was on the force. I guess an example of the priviledges of enforcing, applying and instituting the laws.

Less Serious-
If Arnold can handle a bike like he did in the Terminator movies, then he deserves a motorcylce endorsement (maybe even a pilots license) and could teach us a few techniques on riding.

It still puzzles me how Arnold and his license (which he didn't need) get all the attention and not the accident or cause of the accident. I guess he falls into the scooter trash pile. I wonder if the driver of the vehicle was kin to Janklow?

[glenn]

A movie cyborg does not need a motorcycle license, or a helmet, or a street legal machine.

[KBandit]

Do they make one wheeled motorcycles? Would that fall in the same class as a 3-wheeled BIcycle.

Seriously (maybe) hoping not to get flamed on this one-
I had a close friend that was a LEO motorcop that never had a motorcycle endorsement the entire time he was on the force. I guess an example of the priviledges of enforcing, applying and instituting the laws.

Less Serious-
If Arnold can handle a bike like he did in the Terminator movies, then he deserves a motorcylce endorsement (maybe even a pilots license) and could teach us a few techniques on riding.

It still puzzles me how Arnold and his license (which he didn't need) get all the attention and not the accident or cause of the accident. I guess he falls into the scooter trash pile. I wonder if the driver of the vehicle was kin to Janklow?

couple of points:

1) exactly how high up do you have to be in government before the rules no longer apply to you? i had assumed that being above the law was reserved for the president, but now it appears the privilege starts somewhat lower.

2) LEOs get much more intensive training than the average joe, and i'm pretty sure your friend has the skills and knowledge needed to get by. still, you would think a cop of all people ...

3) i have had motorcycle licenses in a number of states, and california has tougher requirements than any other state by far. not as tough as europe but pretty darned tough. in louisiana you basically only need to demonstrate you have a pulse. in california both the written and skill test are much more rigorous, and if you don't read the handbook you will likely fail your first attempt. believe it or not.

i know nothing about arnold's riding skills (or lack thereof) and therefore will not comment. but now i know something about his arrogance.

[DaFlake]

Let's not forget that Arnold did not break the law in this reporting. The accident involved a bike w/ a sidecar in which he is completely and legally licensed to operate.

"Los Angeles police Lt. Paul Vernon told the Associated Press that Schwarzenegger does not have the proper license to ride the motorcycle even with a sidecar. Vernon said police referred their findings to the Los Angeles city attorney's office, which will determine whether the governor should be cited for an infraction."

[dshealey]

couple of points:

3) i have had motorcycle licenses in a number of states, and california has tougher requirements than any other state by far. not as tough as europe but pretty darned tough. in louisiana you basically only need to demonstrate you have a pulse. in california both the written and skill test are much more rigorous, and if you don't read the handbook you will likely fail your first attempt. believe it or not.


I don't know about all states, but of the four I have been motorcycle licensed in California's riding test is definitely the most difficult to pass. I know a couple of riders that knew they had no chance of passing the riding test on their own motorcycles, so borrowed smaller ones to take the test on. That is particularly true for many "Choppers", no way you will get them around the test course.

[tkramer]

Yup! I flunked the California written test the first time I took it, because since I was M rated in two other states, TX and CO, I thought I didn't need to even crack the CA handbook.

After flunking, I sat down in the DMV for an hour to read the manual and took the test again. I passed, but still missed two questions that didn't refer explicitly to anything in the book. BTW, CO has the same practical course as CA, and it is a bear on a big bike. Luckily I was riding a R100GS at the time and not the LT. It would have been a breeze on a 125cc or 250cc enduro.

[Keith]

I don't know about all states, but of the four I have been motorcycle licensed in California's riding test is definitely the most difficult to pass. I know a couple of riders that knew they had no chance of passing the riding test on their own motorcycles, so borrowed smaller ones to take the test on. That is particularly true for many "Choppers", no way you will get them around the test course.


Just noticed a local guy, runs an ad in the cycle trader. For a fee, he will meet you at the DMV and let you use his small bike for the test! Love the entrepenurial spirit!

[MOSLEYDS]

Yup! I flunked the California written test the first time I took it, because since I was M rated in two other states, TX and CO, I thought I didn't need to even crack the CA handbook.

After flunking, I sat down in the DMV for an hour to read the manual and took the test again. I passed, but still missed two questions that didn't refer explicitly to anything in the book. BTW, CO has the same practical course as CA, and it is a bear on a big bike. Luckily I was riding a R100GS at the time and not the LT. It would have been a breeze on a 125cc or 250cc enduro.

Yes, The Colorado motorcycle practical test is hard on anything bigger than 250cc. As for the Gov....someone should offer him a motorcycle ridders course. Like he said, maybe he just never thought of getting a licence befor.

[jayz9705]

Don't know about CA, but in CT, you still need a motorcycle endorsement to ride a sidecar. It also must be registered as a motorcycle, not as a motor vehicle (4 wheels).

Class C used to relate to a commercial driver license (CDL). It now is a class 1, 2, or 3. Even under the old definitions, a "C" has no rights on anything registered as a motorcycle