Dear BMW Riders - Please chill out!

[Be-nice-have-fun]

I love BMW's. I had a few in my time including an old R100. Along with it, I have several bikes in my garage. One bike I am fond of riding on local trips is a Harley Superglide. Yes I can hear the laughing and gagging from here - which is why I am sending this to all my biker friends who ride those nice Beemers.

Really - what is the problem with some of you guys? Now, not to blame everyone here, but some of you have a serious attitude problem. Why, no matter how close I am following a car in front of me, do you get the sudden urge to have to pass into a dangerous situation. Even after I put on my turn signal to turn left at my house, a group still insisted on passing me - on the left!

Today I had not one, but four newish R1200 RT's bunch up on my ass while I was closer than 25 feet behind a car doing 50mph up a winding mountain road in San Diego. Was it the Harley? Are you so impressed with yourself that you needed me to see you? Get over yourself! Like most riders, I like most bikes and provide courtesy on the road no matter what someone is riding. I have been riding for over 40yrs and I have never seen such rotten atttudes in fellow bikers in my life! Your acting like teenagers on crotch rockets.

[Ted Shred]

I never follow HD's or slow cars especially on a nice mountain road. If you didn't slide over so they could pass you AND the car then shame on you.

When I'm on my LT I always move over for the sport bike guys so they can do their thing. Why hold them up?

[fpmlt]

I have a BMW and a Harley, so I can say this: never follow a Harley too closely, you may be struck by flying parts!
It does amuze me though. When I ride my Harley, Beemers won't wave at me. When I ride my BMW, Harleys won't wave! ME? I just quit waving all together.

[Ted]

Today I had not one, but four newish R1200 RT's bunch up on my ass while I was closer than 25 feet behind a car doing 50mph up a winding mountain road in San Diego.

Cutting you off as you are signalling to turn into your driveway is clearly wrong.

However, as for the above - seems like you were the problem here. Why were you tailgating the car? Either pass the car, or follow at a safe distance.

Sounds like the BMW's were trying to pass you and the car. Had you left the proper distance, the BMW's could have passed you, and then passed the car when safe.

Sorry - I'm sure this isn't what you want to hear, but from what you've described, that's how I see it.

[Rock1098]

I have a BMW and a Harley, so I can say this: never follow a Harley too closely, you may be struck by flying parts!
It does amuze me though. When I ride my Harley, Beemers won't wave at me. When I ride my BMW, Harleys won't wave! ME? I just quit waving all together.


Interesting how that happens. Seems like the Harleys wave only when they are two up. If the HD has ape hanger bars, no wave at all. Must be tired from hanging on?

[KMC1]

I don't understand the mentality that it's appropriate to pass someone because they aren't going as fast as you would like.
It's appropriate to pass if they are going less than the speed limit or conditions allow - not to accomodate someone's percieved right to speed and drive in an unsafe manner.
Speaking of manners, seems there are some folks who don't seem to have any.

[Ted]

If the HD has ape hanger bars, no wave at all. Must be tired from hanging on?

I think their vision is impared from the all the vibration!

[bonafidebob]

Sounds like the BMW's were trying to pass you and the car. Had you left the proper distance, the BMW's could have passed you, and then passed the car when safe.
+1 on that -- that's how I read it. When I notice a bike behind me I always give 'em room to pass. Sometimes that means simply not going as fast as I otherwise would when there's a passing zone.

I don't understand the mentality that it's appropriate to pass someone because they aren't going as fast as you would like.
There's no other appropriate reason to pass! The mentality is simple and matches the law: slower traffic keep right, or keep right except to pass. (I love that they're changing the signs to reflect this now.) If I choose to exceed the speed limit, that's my problem, not yours.

The problem I frequently run into is with cars who also exceed the speed limit on the straights, but won't take turns as fast. So either I putt putt around the corners behind them, or am forced to pass at an inappropriate spot.

When preparing to pass I also often get closer to the car in front of me than I would if just driving. Some might call this tailgating, but since I'm at the edge of the lane I can see around (or over) them and have a place to go should the need arise, so I don't worry myself about it.

[KMC1]

There's no other appropriate reason to pass! The mentality is simple and matches the law: slower traffic keep right, or keep right except to pass. (I love that they're changing the signs to reflect this now.) If I choose to exceed the speed limit, that's my problem, not yours.
Now, are you speaking about being on the highway, or a secondary road as described above?



am forced to pass at an inappropriate spot.

You need to reevaluate your position here - no one is "forcing" you to do something illegal, or worse, unsafe - you are "choosing" to.

[Casaba]

Anyone have cheese?

[bonafidebob]

...no one is "forcing" you to do something illegal, or worse, unsafe - you are "choosing" to.
You're absolutely right, poor choice of words on my part there.

When I come up behind a slower vehicle on a winding mountain road, I've pretty much already made the decision to pass at the next available and safe opportunity. That's my choice.

As the driver of a vehicle being passed, however, you also have some say in the matter. You can help me achieve the pass in a safe manner, or you can act in such a way as to make the pass harder or even impossible to complete safely. I've seen drivers make both choices. I appreciate the ones that help, they always get a wave.

[MikeERideWNC]

I don't know why you all are feeding the troll... He has one post and will never return to view this.



As for my.o2...
Harley riders have jaded me. When I see a Harley, my first thought is inexperienced rider.
And this is usually a fact here in the mountains.
Then I reel them in and pass.

[rattler50]

Passing on the left after you see a left turn signal on the vehicle is a rather dumb thing to do. I might scoot by on the right but certainly wouldn't pass on the left. As far as waving, I wave at everyone. Most wave back. Some don't. Sometimes they just don't see you wave. I've missed many riders waving because of concentrating on what is going on with my side of the road. And the one's that don't wave after seeing you wave, probably aren't the kind of people you'd want to know anyway. And as for the speed limit, I tend to run slightly over the speed limit most of the time. Usually around 10 mph over. It's just me. And I may draft off you a little on the two lane road roads here when attempting to pass. The rolling hills don't give you much time to pass in some places. I won't crowd you though. I hate tailgaters myself. And I afford the same courtesy to fellow bikers. It's those weenies that get out in that left passing lane and just STAY there that bothers me. Oh, and the ones that sit at the stop sign where the highway goes from 2 lane to 4 lane and won't turn right into their protected lane until ALL traffic coming from their left has passed. It defeats the whole purpose of the striping and flashing lights. It might as well be 2 lane........... :( So much for my Saturday morning rant.......Ride safe, but ride....... :D

[ChasnRacin]

Interesting how that happens. Seems like the Harleys wave only when they are two up. If the HD has ape hanger bars, no wave at all. Must be tired from hanging on?

With the ape hangers, there is no blood left in their hands so they CAN'T let go...or is it the vibration has them so worried that they are SCARED to let go :histerica No matter, I wave at everyone, enjoy my ride and do so safely. Best way to get back home in one piece.

[Stixx]

Funny this should come up. Only yesterday I found myself creeping along a mountain road behind a group of Harly (type cruiser) bikes and a honda. This was not only going to take way too long but it was going to ruin a nice drive home and I was in the saddle already for near six hours and headed back on two lane only paradise. Well I'm not a yellow line breaker and mostly up here in GA we move over and do a wave by. These guys or were they gals couldn't tell really, were litterly tip toeing around the bends . Had they ben a car or truck going the speed limit I'd have just kicked back and enjoyed the view.

No they were bunched up holding up the car in front of me who could obviously drive and they were actually running way below the speed limit.

Nothing wrong with that.

When I got a clear shot , albeit a short one, I cranked passed them all as did the Honda after me . Now I hope someone like yourself was not in the group and found my behavior snobby or worse because it was a clear case of gotta go gotta go and I have no malice toward cruisers but I am not going to follow them endlessly on nice mountain passes if I can help it. I'll pull over and take a break first.

When the Harley guys wave me buy i make sure and acknowlege them as I am jealous at times they seem so relaxed , but that is not what RT is about and so let's all recognize and give the road to the faster driver even if once in a while they don't deserve it for bad behavior,.

As for crotch rockets. I got two buddies that ride em and I bring up the rear mostly because I'm not willing to ride 9-tenths on a street or road enviornment. That shit is for track days. But we do use the road in a brisk way and when they run off from me they always stop at the next intersection . Lately they have not had to wait long. LOL

[Tat_n_Telle]

1 post.

Troll.

Ignore.

[Tom1200]

Well, any rider can be smart or stupid and I don't find it to one brand of bike. I can say I will pass the cruisers often because I don't care to hear the loud pipes and crawl along at a boring speed or crawl through the turns. I rarely get waved by but if a group comes up on my I am happy to move over and let them by.

We all need to be better drivers on the road and remember to think of others as well when we ride. The one thing I can say is if your in a large group of bikes then you should always be aware of others around you and let them by if needed.

We all need to be smart and courteous of cars and other bikes. Drive smart

[messenger13]

I don't pass just Harleys!

I PASS ALL OF THEM!!! :lol8:




As far as the waving thing is concerned, I try to wave at everyone. The best thing to do is not worry about whether they wave back or not. I'm not going to let the actions of some change what I do.
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[SilverBuffalo]

I'm not going to let the actions of some change what I do.

Now there's a quote "suitable for framing"

[Dude]

I clearly see the problem. The Harley rider THOUGHT his left signal was on but in fact the bulb filament was broken due to extreme vibration. Of course the polite and thoughtful BMW riders would have yielded to him had they in fact been able to SEE the signal. :)

[DavidTaylor]

I love BMW's. I had a few in my time including an old R100. Along with it, I have several bikes in my garage. One bike I am fond of riding on local trips is a Harley Superglide. Yes I can hear the laughing and gagging from here - which is why I am sending this to all my biker friends who ride those nice Beemers.

Really - what is the problem with some of you guys? Now, not to blame everyone here, but some of you have a serious attitude problem. Why, no matter how close I am following a car in front of me, do you get the sudden urge to have to pass into a dangerous situation. Even after I put on my turn signal to turn left at my house, a group still insisted on passing me - on the left!

Today I had not one, but four newish R1200 RT's bunch up on my ass while I was closer than 25 feet behind a car doing 50mph up a winding mountain road in San Diego. Was it the Harley? Are you so impressed with yourself that you needed me to see you? Get over yourself! Like most riders, I like most bikes and provide courtesy on the road no matter what someone is riding. I have been riding for over 40yrs and I have never seen such rotten atttudes in fellow bikers in my life! Your acting like teenagers on crotch rockets.


Nice first post, it's great to see you're wanting to try and fit in.

So are you going to all the BMW centric websites and posting this, ot did you feel annoying us was enough?

:feedtroll

[brick_haus]

90% of the replies to this post (no, I didnt do the math) are simply confirming the posters observations. I dont see the type of behavior described when I'm out on the road, but I read the attitude in the immature replies to this post and assume that thats the attitude you ride with... Grow up!

[messenger13]

...but I read the attitude in the immature replies to this post and assume that thats the attitude you ride with... Grow up!
You ain't the boss of me!!! :p


I don't wanna grow up . . . I'm a Toys-R-Us kid! :histerica

[DavidTaylor]

90% of the replies to this post (no, I didnt do the math) are simply confirming the posters observations. I dont see the type of behavior described when I'm out on the road, but I read the attitude in the immature replies to this post and assume that thats the attitude you ride with... Grow up!

You and I will have to agree to disagree. What we have is a guy who signs up on the site today and in his first and only post blindly and broadly takes this entire community to task for the actions of a bunch of other guys who were riding RTs, this with no knowledge of whether those guys frequent this site, the behavior and personality of this community in general, or any other pretinent information that this would be the right place to vent his spleen about his issue. I know I don't ride an RT and I don't pass guys on Harleys or any other bike without making sure they know I'm coming first. So if I take some offense and fire back at him I surely don't feel bad about it.

His post is the classic behavior of a forum "troll"; someone who comes in with the only goal of causing controversy and stirring the pot by posting drivel like this. I completely hate troll-like behavior (more than I do slow Harley riders :) ) on this and other sites, so there again I have no problem taking an asshat who's trolling to task. And I support the others who actually have spent some time here, know what this community is about, and don't like asshat trolls, either.

And don't tell me to grow up, I'll come over there and spit in your milk! :histerica

[grifscoots]

MMMM, spit milk and oreos!

[brick_haus]

I am not defending the post, the poster or his intentions. Maybe he's just venting, maybe a troll, I dont know. Maybe he brings out a valid point though, if we dont want to be stereotyped as such an abrasive bunch, we should let it be known that such behavior is unacceptable. I have just recently purchased my first BMW(owned many others before and have always had at least one) and am so far enjoying it, ALOT. But I do see many posts and replies on this site that transmit a very arrogant and egotistical attitude. More so than ANY other community that I have been part of. It seems that if I dont ride like you ride, dress like you dress and most importantly ride what you ride, then I am not going to be accepted by you.

THAT IS NOT WHAT BEING A BIKER IS ALL ABOUT.

Spit in my milk??? YUK!

[MikeERideWNC]

brick_haus
That is pretty good... You just got two posts on this one thread.
You are up to eight now.



Harley riders are known for being rolling road blocks.
If they don't like the image that they portray, then maybe they should rethink their attitude.

I refuse to show respect to any idiot on a Harley riding to slow with loud pipes.

[grifscoots]

Harley riders are known for being rolling road blocks.
If they don't like the image that they portray, then maybe they should rethink their attitude.

I refuse to show respect to any idiot on a Harley riding to slow with loud pipes.I have a moto: Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. It doesn't matter to me and I have no ego in it.

BUT, after being in the saddle for 14 hours yesterday and 8 today I think I MIGHT have lost my patience. About 15 miles from my house, on the way home, there's a nice twisty bit called The Devil's Backbone. It's 45 thru there and a pack of them there Harley's were going thru it at 30. Now, I rode Harley for 20 some odd years and I know they'll go faster than that. They didn't lead, follow, nor were they inclined to get the hell out of the way.

I passed them on the shoulder and we won't mention how fast, but I did catch a finger as I went by. :D

[rkimmel2]

I have to admit; most of us are dumb, backwards, liberal, conservative, gun nut, premium oil sucking freaks. BUT WE ARE NOT ARROGANT.

[brick_haus]

brick_haus
That is pretty good... You just got two posts on this one thread.
You are up to eight now.





And my post count has what to do with anything?
If you wanted to make an intelligent response to my post, you just blew it.

[LostInAlaska]

Two weeks ago yesterday, I stopped by the House of Harley here in Anchorage to purchase some cloths used for cleaning the chrome on my LT. Parked my bike and prior to dismounting an individual decked out in his non conformists attire asked me…”What the Hell you doing bringing that bike to this dealership?” Now granted that this individual had nothing to do with the dealership (and the minority I'm sure) but I had to laugh and ask…Your kidding; right? Then walked off not expecting/wanting an answer.

Sounds to me that there is a very small percentage of bike owners that have an attitude regardless of what brand they ride. I suggest that those with an attitude…Build a bridge and get over it!

[brick_haus]

Sounds to me that there is a very small percentage of bike owners that have an attitude regardless of what brand they ride. I suggest that those with an attitude…Build a bridge and get over it!


What he said^^^

[ArthurKnowles]

I don't care about the brand of motorcycle someone rides. I don't really care about the car brand either. I do care about the jerks that pass in inappropriate (read illegal) places onteh road though. I live in Fallbrook and right down the road from me is I-76 and the twisties to Palomar.

My view is simple (I abide by it), the only place to pass is when the passing lane opens up. Not a double yellow. Not a blind curve. If you plan to do so, don't expect me to get out of your way. I'm obeying the law, but more importantly I'm obeying reasonable safety considerations and I expect you to do so as well.

If you choose to not follow basic safety considerations, then not only are you putting yourself at risk, but you are putting me at risk. Plus you are putting anyone on the other lane at risk too!

I will admit that I have been known to go faster than the legal speed limit, but never above my skill level. Plus, I always attempt to make sure my motorcycle is maintained well so it will not fail me at a critical time (I hope!). But I'm not a A$$hole that will jump a double yellow line either. I'll suck it up and wait for that passing lane to open up.

If you want to kill yourself, I have no problem with that. Buy a gun and do the job right.

If you want to ride fast and push the envelope, go pay for a track day. Public roads are not the place to be pushing it and risking other's lives.

[Ron_Kendall]

Two weeks ago yesterday, I stopped by the House of Harley here in Anchorage to purchase some cloths used for cleaning the chrome on my LT. Parked my bike and prior to dismounting an individual decked out in his non conformists attire asked me…”What the Hell you doing bringing that bike to this dealership?” Now granted that this individual had nothing to do with the dealership (and the minority I'm sure) but I had to laugh and ask…Your kidding; right? Then walked off not expecting/wanting an answer.

Sounds to me that there is a very small percentage of bike owners that have an attitude regardless of what brand they ride. I suggest that those with an attitude…Build a bridge and get over it!If that was said to me, I would
1) ignore them & continue on with my business.
2) ignore them & continue on with my business, but inform the owner/manager that my money wasn't wanted here by the individual.
3) ignore them & inform the owner/manager that my money was not wanted here & then go someplace else & spend it.
4) or go as far as gathering all the items I wanted to purchase, hopefully a large dollar amount, put them on the counter, then tell the owner/manager I was going to spend some money here, but...

[motorman587]

If that was said to me, I would
1) ignore them & continue on with my business.
2) ignore them & continue on with my business, but inform the owner/manager that my money wasn't wanted here by the individual.
3) ignore them & inform the owner/manager that my money was not wanted here & then go someplace else & spend it.
4) or go as far as gathering all the items I wanted to purchase, hopefully a large dollar amount, put them on the counter, then tell the owner/manager I was going to spend some money here, but...

You just need a quick come back. Like, "O, I am sorry, I just wanted to see where all those Harley's on the back of pick up trucks went?" and laugh, then walk off. We get those stupid a$$ questions all the time on our RTPs.

[grifscoots]

I'm obeying the law, but more importantly I'm obeying reasonable safety considerations and I expect you to do so as well.

I will admit that I have been known to go faster than the legal speed limit, but never above my skill level. So, what's it going to be? Are you going to obey the law, or not? Or, do you choose not to obey the law because of your skill level?


But I'm not a A$$hole that will jump a double yellow line either. I'll suck it up and wait for that passing lane to open up.What if that double yellow is two miles long with a perfect view? I'm one of those assholes that jump the double yellow, but not blindly. A ton of double yellows are "engineered" for the passing ability of a blind grandmother.


If you want to kill yourself, I have no problem with that. Buy a gun and do the job right. Sigh. That's what my momma said when I started riding motorcycles. She still says it. Would you mind trotting out into the kitchen and getting me a glass of milk?


If you want to ride fast and push the envelope, go pay for a track day. Public roads are not the place to be pushing it and risking other's lives. Yes, mom. I'm hanging my head and will change my evil ways simply because you told me to.

[dsauer608]

I have to admit; most of us are dumb, backwards, liberal, conservative, gun nut, premium oil sucking freaks. BUT WE ARE NOT ARROGANT.

Oh yes I am! Whenever I see a Harley, it's time to seek and destroy; they are a nuisance and always in the frickin' way. I also pass on double yellows and would probably spit in someone's milk if the opportunity arose. :D

[eljeffe]

Oh yes I am! Whenever I see a Harley, it's time to seek and destroy; they are a nuisance and always in the frickin' way. I also pass on double yellows and would probably spit in someone's milk if the opportunity arose. :D

Deb,

This must have been the guys riding on US 40 east of Vernal on Saturday. :histerica

Support truck and all. :rotf:

[dsauer608]

Deb,

This must have been the guys riding on US 40 east of Vernal on Saturday. :histerica

Support truck and all. :rotf:

:histerica:histerica:histerica:histerica

[DavidTaylor]

Oh yes I am! Whenever I see a Harley, it's time to seek and destroy; they are a nuisance and always in the frickin' way. I also pass on double yellows and would probably spit in someone's milk if the opportunity arose. :D


See, I knew I liked you for a reason! ;) :D

[ArthurKnowles]

So, what's it going to be? Are you going to obey the law, or not? Or, do you choose not to obey the law because of your skill level?.

No, it means I go faster than the legal limit because that's what you have to do in traffic or potentially become a piece of road kill. It also means the little yellow cautionary signs on curves that suggest a lower speed limit are usually ignored. I know where/how my motorcycle will handle the curves and do so at a safe speed.

What if that double yellow is two miles long with a perfect view? I'm one of those assholes that jump the double yellow, but not blindly. A ton of double yellows are "engineered" for the passing ability of a blind grandmother.

Then I wait. Sijmple as that. And as you pointed out, if you don't then you are one of those assholes riding dangerously, putting a bad view in the public's eye, and when caught deserver to get a ticket or loose your license.

Sigh. That's what my momma said when I started riding motorcycles. She still says it. Would you mind trotting out into the kitchen and getting me a glass of milk?

Yes, mom. I'm hanging my head and will change my evil ways simply because you told me to.

No milk, but if/when you are a bleeding piece of meat on the road I might stop by with my first aid kit to help stabilize you until the ambulance arrives. If I can.

Nor am I your mother. Wouldn't want to be either. It's always easy to tell the less mature minded or safety concious riders by their actions.

I don't post these opinions to be mean about it either. If I were to do somethign like that I might suggest that your user name implies that you are riding a scooter. I gave those up when I was about 8 years old. :) Now I ride motorcycles (not bikes either).

[grifscoots]

I don't post these opinions to be mean about it either. If I were to do somethign like that I might suggest that your user name implies that you are riding a scooter. I gave those up when I was about 8 years old. :) Now I ride motorcycles (not bikes either).Kewl, with your experience on motorcycles, mayhaps you can tell me how to get rid of the 1/8" of chicken strip I have on my scoot.

[ArthurKnowles]

Kewl, with your experience on motorcycles, mayhaps you can tell me how to get rid of the 1/8" of chicken strip I have on my scoot.

Lean more? :D

[BillyOmaha]

Howdy Arthur,

California appears to have changed policy from making dashed lines on the road to double yellow for the entire stretches of roadway. Not all of them, but it seems that it is happening more and more. My guess is that they want to simply avoid the possibility of a "head-on" by simply making it illegal to pass.....regardless of the reasonable safety of passing.

Of course, the result is that if a vehicle, car, motorcycle, truck, elects not to pull over and let faster vehicles by then it becomes frustrating for those being impeded. Or in the case of a motorcycle, failing to simply slide to the right and wave the following motorcycle past..

I find that is always safer to wave motorcycles past, or pull over and let cars by than to insist that they stay behind me.

Would you have the same attitude if you were stuck behind a mini-van with a driver talking on a cell phone doing 10 under the limit, which is legal by the way, on a two lane with double yellow that extends for 20 miles. You see a straight away where it's safe to pass, but it's still double yellow. Do you go, or simply stay behind the mini-van....for the next 30 minutes?

In short, it's not for me to use my vehicle to force you to behave in a manner that I determine is safe (a relative term), nor is it for you to use your vehicle to force others to behave in a manner that you determine is safe for them.

.

[bonafidebob]

What if that double yellow is two miles long with a perfect view? I'm one of those assholes that jump the double yellow, but not blindly. A ton of double yellows are "engineered" for the passing ability of a blind grandmother.
I'm with you on this one grif. (The more I read of your posts the more I want to ride with you -- I'll have to make an effort to come to one of these rally things y'all keep talking about.)

They should have motorcycle-only passing zones! It's so much easier to safely get around a car (or a harley) on a bike... it takes only a couple of seconds to make a safe pass, compared to tens of seconds in a car.

But to be fair to the Harley guys, on my recent CA-WI-CA trip I was passed by a pair of Harleys. It was on a straight section, I was doing 63 in a 55, and as I saw them come up (fast) behind me I moved to the right and waved them by. What was really surprising was that one of 'em was even towing a trailer. They even waved back -- nice guys!

[ArthurKnowles]

Would you have the same attitude if you were stuck behind a mini-van with a driver talking on a cell phone doing 10 under the limit, which is legal by the way, on a two lane with double yellow that extends for 20 miles. You see a straight away where it's safe to pass, but it's still double yellow. Do you go, or simply stay behind the mini-van....for the next 30 minutes?


I'd stay behind them for the next 30 minutes. In fact, I've been there and done just that. I ride out to Julian quite a few times a year. I know where the passing lanes are and use them, but if I'm stuck behind slow movoing traffic then I'm stuck. Just the way it is.

When I'm in my car and see a motorcycle trying to lane split on the highway I do leave room for them. I've done similar things on my LT to let riders pass me on Palomar mountain road. Partially because I don't want to impeed them, but mostly because I have a responsibility to my passenger and don't want to risk their safety. Some of the things these squids do is simply amazing (amazingly stupid & unsafe in my opinion).

I understand the frustration of being stuck behind slow moving traffic. Believe me I do, but still that's no reason to jump that double yellow line. Where I live, I've watched the signs pop up by DMV about not passing on I 76. It's a two lane road with almost no pasing zones. Those that were there between I 15 and Melrose were removed. Still I see people (almost all motorcycles) passing by crossing the double yellow. I see them doing it on straight aways and even blind corners (really really stupid). I had an idiot pass me (in my car) on Mission road in a blind uphill corner. He was doing well over 80 mph in a 50 zone. And then I watched him pass several more cars ahead of me. Bobbing and weaving for all he was worth. For what? To save a few minutes? Because he could get away with it?

[Wolfgang]

What if that double yellow is two miles long with a perfect view? I'm one of those assholes that jump the double yellow, but not blindly. A ton of double yellows are "engineered" for the passing ability of a blind grandmother.


I always thought it was legal to cross a double yellow line if it was safe and there is no LEO in sight. Done it it for years in cars and on bikes and never got a ticket or had an accident.

Should I not do this any longer? :)

[grahamw]

Howdy Arthur,

California appears to have changed policy from making dashed lines on the road to double yellow for the entire stretches of roadway.
++
Would you have the same attitude if you were stuck behind a mini-van with a driver talking on a cell phone doing 10 under the limit,

.

They are doing that over here as well and extending the speed limits further out of the towns village.

Being on a cell phone is against the law in this country but the speed limit is that - a limit not a target.

Regards

[grifscoots]

I'd stay behind them for the next 30 minutes. See, I'm way too young and impatient for that. You older, and probably retired, guys have more time. I was also raised, and this is a common thing in Texans, to get out of the way of those that want around you. It's only common courtesy.

[grifscoots]

Lean more? :DYa think?;)

[BillyOmaha]

I'd stay behind them for the next 30 minutes. In fact, I've been there and done just that. I ride out to Julian quite a few times a year. I know where the passing lanes are and use them, but if I'm stuck behind slow movoing traffic then I'm stuck. Just the way it is. All I can say is bahahah, bahahah, bahahah (as in the bleating of a sheep). Laws have to make sense or they lose their meaning. To mindlessly follow what some lawyers recommendation to the department of transportation for no other reason than to reduce the States liability is ridiculous.

If you came to a traffic light on your bike and the light were red and it wouldn't change for you, would you sit there for hours? Days? Weeks? To follow the literal meaning of the traffic laws you'd have to (California has changed the law to allow you to go after the lights have cycled, however they don't all cycle unless another car trips their light). It's illegal to back up on the roadway, it's the law that you need to signal 100' before changing lanes and in California it's illegal to change lanes within 100' of an intersection. You better hope someone brings you food and water and a porta-potty, that is unless you choose to break the law.

When I'm in my car and see a motorcycle trying to lane split on the highway I do leave room for them. I've done similar things on my LT to let riders pass me on Palomar mountain road. Partially because I don't want to impeed them, but mostly because I have a responsibility to my passenger and don't want to risk their safety. Some of the things these squids do is simply amazing (amazingly stupid & unsafe in my opinion).You should do it when you ride solo as well. If you do for the safety of your pillion, you should do for your safety as well.

I understand the frustration of being stuck behind slow moving traffic. Believe me I do, but still that's no reason to jump that double yellow line. Where I live, I've watched the signs pop up by DMV about not passing on I 76. It's a two lane road with almost no pasing zones. Those that were there between I 15 and Melrose were removed. Still I see people (almost all motorcycles) passing by crossing the double yellow. I see them doing it on straight aways and even blind corners (really really stupid). I had an idiot pass me (in my car) on Mission road in a blind uphill corner. He was doing well over 80 mph in a 50 zone. And then I watched him pass several more cars ahead of me. Bobbing and weaving for all he was worth. For what? To save a few minutes? Because he could get away with it?I agree that some people exercise poor judgement when operating on the roads, cars, motorcycles, trucks. The only control I have is exercising my judgement in dealing with them. When I'm in a cage and a motorcycle comes up quickly I simply slide to the right of the lane and give him the okay to slide by me when it's safe to do. If it's a large group, then I simply pull off the road, sometimes only half way off, so they can all pass. It's no "skin off my nose" and it helps to reduce the tension on the road.

Except for the anxiety of getting a traffic violation, I have no qualms about passing on a double yellow. I do it in a safe (relative to my skills and judgement) manner and with my pillion. However, I defend your right not to do so, I'll simply give you the motorcycle wave as I pass.

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[bonafidebob]

To follow the literal meaning of the traffic laws you'd have to (California has changed the law to allow you to go after the lights have cycled, however they don't all cycle unless another car trips their light). It's illegal to back up on the roadway, it's the law that you need to signal 100' before changing lanes and in California it's illegal to change lanes within 100' of an intersection.

If it's a large group, then I simply pull off the road, sometimes only half way off, so they can all pass. It's no "skin off my nose" and it helps to reduce the tension on the road.
There's no law in California against changing lanes in an intersection. (Though it's been reported that some officers might use the general "unsafe lane change" law in this case. However, last time I looked there were no lanes in an intersection, so I think this could quite easily be challenged in court.)

On the other hand, there actually is a California law requiring drivers of slow moving vehicles to turn out to allow passing. (As long as you're with 4 friends...)
VC 21656 - Turning Out of Slow Moving Vehicles (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21656.htm)

21656. On a two-lane highway where passing is unsafe because of traffic in the opposite direction or other conditions, a slow-moving vehicle, including a passenger vehicle, behind which five or more vehicles are formed in line, shall turn off the roadway at the nearest place designated as a turnout by signs erected by the authority having jurisdiction over the highway, or wherever sufficient area for a safe turnout exists, in order to permit the vehicles following it to proceed. As used in this section a slow-moving vehicle is one which is proceeding at a rate of speed less than the normal flow of traffic at the particular time and place.

Amended Ch. 448, Stats. 1965. Effective September 17, 1965.

This one is interesting too.
VC 21753 - Yielding for Passing (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21753.htm)

21753. Except when passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall safely move to the right-hand side of the highway in favor of the overtaking vehicle after an audible signal or a momentary flash of headlights by the overtaking vehicle, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle. This section does not require the driver of an overtaken vehicle to drive on the shoulder of the highway in order to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass.

Amended Sec. 9, Ch. 440, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997.
Amended Sec. 40, Ch. 724, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.

[ArthurKnowles]

Just for the record, I'm only 46 and definitely not retired. But I am a self-employeed computer consultant. So, my job may have something to do with my attitude as not everyone has the self-restraint required to be self-employeed. Many that try fail because they take the job too lightly and can't force themselves to do the work when it's bright and sunny outside and nature/ride is calling.

All I can say is bahahah, bahahah, bahahah (as in the bleating of a sheep). Laws have to make sense or they lose their meaning. To mindlessly follow what some lawyers recommendation to the department of transportation for no other reason than to reduce the States liability is ridiculous.

Rediculous or not, it is the law. If you don't like it, then get it changed. The legal agreement (your license) you signed requires you to obey the law. If you don't want to do that, give up your license.

If you came to light on your bike and the light were red and it wouldn't change for you, would you sit there for hours?

As you pointed out, I don't have to as CA recognizes that not all lights will trip for a motorcycle. So, if it doesn't the next time it cycles I head on out. Of course wehn I have noticed that a light doesn't trigger for me, I usually find an alternate route around the light so I don't have to be concerned with it or allow it to impeed my progress.

You should do it when you ride solo as well.

I don't ride my LT solo. Not an issue. On my RT I've yet to be slow enough to cause any concern for a fellow rider. And if I'm going the speed limit, then they can too.

However, I defend your right not to do so, I'll simply give you the motorcycle wave as I pass.

I will not defend or condone your passing on a double yellow as it is wrong (i.e. against the law), but I appreciate your willingness to defend my rights (not that is needed as I am doing nothing wrong).

[MikeERideWNC]

When I drive through Atlanta and other major cities, I see an HOV lane.

Here in the mountains where I can go for twenty miles without seeing a passing zone,
there needs to be HOG lanes.
This would eliminate any issues with slower bikes.

[grifscoots]

Just for the record, I'm only 46 and definitely not retired. But I am a self-employeed computer consultant. So, my job may have something to do with my attitude as not everyone has the self-restraint required to be self-employeed. Many that try fail because they take the job too lightly and can't force themselves to do the work when it's bright and sunny outside and nature/ride is calling.Well, dayem. You talk like an old man! I'm only 51 years old, have been self employed for at least a couple of decades and have a rawking bidness www.payrollplus.us (http://www.payrollplus.us) . And talk about sef restraint, I see many, many millions of dollars come thru the door every month and it's not mine. Now, where the hell did I put that island with the topless girls waving the fans?

Dood, you need to lighten up some and loosen up a bunch. Life is waaaaaay too short to be stuck behind a mini van full of screaming brats (I"m a grandpa, I know these things) for 30 minutes.

[BillyOmaha]

...As you pointed out, I don't have to as CA recognizes that not all lights will trip for a motorcycle. So, if it doesn't the next time it cycles I head on out. .... You only took part of my example and left out the part about the light NOT cycling. The light may fail to cycle because it doesn't recognize your bike, or perhaps it is an error in the programming. Either way, would you sit there indefinitely in order not to violate the literal statement of the law?

My point is that at some point most individuals will apply their common sense and elect to ignore the literal word of the law and exercise their judgement as to when to ignore the literal aspect of a particular law.



I don't ride my LT solo. Not an issue. On my RT I've yet to be slow enough to cause any concern for a fellow rider. And if I'm going the speed limit, then they can too.First, there isn't a speed limit, or lack thereof, anywhere in America that the LT can't easily exceed safely while two-up. So the choice to follow the speed limit laws on the LT and not on the RT is just that, a choice.

I can see why your having problems with other riders on the road. Your attitude borders on arrogance in regard to when you think it's okay for you to exceed the speed limit you will do so, but when you decide to follow the speed limit "then they can too".

I hope you'll reconsider your approach..

[BillyOmaha]

There's no law in California against changing lanes in an intersection. ...Thanks for the research Bob.

My example to Arthur was that he couldn't enter the intersection since the light was red and wouldn't cycle. In short, he's stuck there at the light because the law says he can't "legally" move any direction. That is, unless he exercises common sense and violates the literal statement of the law.

[ArthurKnowles]

Dood, you need to lighten up some and loosen up a bunch. Life is waaaaaay too short to be stuck behind a mini van full of screaming brats (I"m a grandpa, I know these things) for 30 minutes.

Boy do I understand about the life too short bit. I should have been dead at least twice. Heart attack at 38, bypass at 39, kidney failure at 41, kidney transplant at 46.

But I don't need to pass illegally. I just listen tot he tunes and enjoy what I can of the ride.

[eljeffe]

Well, dayem. You talk like an old man! I'm only 51 years old, have been self employed for at least a couple of decades and have a rawking bidness www.payrollplus.us (http://www.payrollplus.us) . And talk about sef restraint, I see many, many millions of dollars come thru the door every month and it's not mine. Now, where the hell did I put that island with the topless girls waving the fans?

Dood, you need to lighten up some and loosen up a bunch. Life is waaaaaay too short to be stuck behind a mini van full of screaming brats (I"m a grandpa, I know these things) for 30 minutes.

Grif,

I'll ride with you any day. Arthur comes across like a big stick in the mud, and I wouldn't want to ride with him anyway. Reminds me of that fuddy-duddy couple in Eureka Springs that was upset because they couldn't keep up with us.

[ArthurKnowles]

Either way, would you sit there indefinitely in order not to violate the literal statement of the law?

If it doesn't cycle, I'll just do a U-Turn and find a way around it, but I've yet to encounter a light that doesn't cycle.

First, there isn't a speed limit, or lack thereof, anywhere in America that the LT can't easily exceed safely while two-up. So the choice to follow the speed limit laws on the LT and not on the RT is just that, a choice.

Obviously you didn't read my comment on the Rt well enough. I only choose to ignore the cautionary yellow signs on corners. Of course if I have an accident due to speed above the cautionary sign, then I will be at fault and cited so. As for highway speeds, if you do not keep up with the traffic flow you can be cited for impeeding traffic.

I can see why your having problems with other riders on the road. Your attitude borders on arrogance in regard to when you think it's okay for you to exceed the speed limit you will do so, but when you decide to follow the speed limit "then they can too".

I'm not being arrogant at all. Nor am I doing what you state. If I am doing the speed limit in a single lane road (I'll move to the right as the law requires on a multi-lane road) then the traffic behind can do the same. A speed limit is just that. A limit on how fast you can drive.

I hope you'll reconsider your approach.

Not a chance. Unless the laws are changed. You are welcome to try and change them though. And when/if they change I'll do my best to follow them.

[bonafidebob]

If it doesn't cycle, I'll just do a U-Turn and find a way around it, but I've yet to encounter a light that doesn't cycle.
There are at least 3 around here, and I ran into one in Wisconsin as well. If a car doesn't show up first to help activate the signal, then I usually give it a minute or two and just go. ...after first looking for traffic and ensuring it's safe etc.

AFAIK police and local governments are fine with this, and with a little bit of effort you can find the right place to report malfunctioning traffic signals and get them fixed. (e.g. Traffic.Signals@sanjoseca.gov (mailto:Traffic.Signals@sanjoseca.gov)) I've even read about riders going above and beyond and showing up to help the traffic engineers fix the signals.

[ArthurKnowles]

Arthur comes across like a big stick in the mud, and I wouldn't want to ride with him anyway. Reminds me of that fuddy-duddy couple in Eureka Springs that was upset because they couldn't keep up with us.

So I'm a big stick in the mud because I choose to follow the law. I can live with that. Your comments tell me a lot about you and I already know I wouldn't want to ride with you. You don't care about the safety and/or comfort of your fellow riders.

If you chose to ride with a group and then leave them behind you because you chose to ride faster then their comfort zone, ell that's not something I would do. Nor would I chose to ride with you again knowing the way you ride.

But I wouldn't be upset with you either. I'd just choose to go my own way. I don't need to be lead by anyone. I can find my own way anywhere I choose to go. I'll get there in my own time as well.

[ArthurKnowles]

There are at least 3 around here, and I ran into one in Wisconsin as well. If a car doesn't show up first to help activate the signal, then I usually give it a minute or two and just go. ...after first looking for traffic and ensuring it's safe etc.

AFAIK police and local governments are fine with this, and with a little bit of effort you can find the right place to report malfunctioning traffic signals and get them fixed. (e.g. Traffic.Signals@sanjoseca.gov (mailto:Traffic.Signals@sanjoseca.gov)) I've even read about riders going above and beyond and showing up to help the traffic engineers fix the signals.

I guess I'm lucky. I did report the signal that failed to recognize my motorcycle. Maybe they will fix it. But for now I just ride around it.

It's good that you are checking the traffic flow, etc. before proceeding through the light. If that's what you choose to do that's fine.

[Ted Shred]

If it doesn't cycle, I'll just do a U-Turn and find a way around it, but I've yet to encounter a light that doesn't cycle.

That is the DUMBEST thing you've said yet. Making a U-turn because the light won't cycle may be the single most dangerous move you could make on a bike.

I made an ill advised u-turn once. I can show you the skin graft scars if you like....I learned from that experience and you can too....

[BillyOmaha]

If it doesn't cycle, I'll just do a U-Turn and find a way around it, but I've yet to encounter a light that doesn't cycle.Damn it, Arthur,:brick: the intersection is marked "No U-Turn", you're in the wrong lane to turn onto the intersecting street. You can't back-up because the law says there is no backing up on the street, you can't change lanes because you haven't signalled the legally required distance, you're within 100' of the intersection and lane changes are against the law. In short it's a "Catch 22". You cannot legally get out of the situation. You're stuck :rulez:

You just can't seem to bring yourself to say that you'd violate a silly law in an application of common sense :kaboom:

Of course, I would be willing to bet a butt load of money that you would "break the law" because I believe you to be a normal human being and not some mindless automaton. I bet you even go over the speed limit sometimes, the white signs, not just the orange ones.

As I used to teach my kids when they were learning about crossing the street. You don't cross when the light turns "green", you cross when there aren't any cars to hit you :think:

.

[bonafidebob]

If you chose to ride with a group and then leave them behind you because you chose to ride faster then their comfort zone, ell that's not something I would do.
Hmm, group rides can be interesting. I've done a bunch, and I've been lead, sweep, and everything in between.

As lead I ride the pace I want to ride and have fun. And I stop and wait for the group at intersections and major branches, keeping the group together and on course is really important. But it shouldn't be a requirement IMHO that the lead has to wait or keep other riders in sight.

As sweep I never push the riders in front of me, no matter how slow they may be, and I still manage to have fun. Conventional wisdom says your best rider should be sweep, since there's no one else to look out for them, and I take this responsibility seriously.

In between it's kind of a crap shoot. Pass all you want when it's safe, but don't pass the leader. (Well, unless you really really want to! Hi Dave!!) I've personally never had an issue with losing the bike in front of me or holding up sweep, but I'm probably at the aggressive end of the riding spectrum.

But, all told, I sure have a lot more fun when the group is all more or less at the same skill and aggressiveness level and has a good attitude about it. It's been a while since I've been on a good group ride, anyone in the SF Bay Area riding in the near future?

[ArthurKnowles]

OK, I'll admit it. I am a normal person and in a wost case scenario (as mentioned above) I would probably "break the law". Happy! :)

Luckily for me, I've never needed to do so. As for the U-turn I did make, It was at a T intersection. I never even entered the traffic flow. Since there were no cars and it was basically 5 lanes wide, there was no danger or effort involved. Quite safe.

As for the ride bit, well as lead I do keep the following riders in mind. Unless there is a previous discussion on how to proceed that differs. And if I'm uncomfortable with the choice, then I'll choose to ride solo.

To be honest, I'm not much for the group ride. I have the most fun when i'm alone on the motorcycle. Then I don't need to be concerned about my fellow riders or passenger. It's just me, the motorcycle, the music (have to have music), and the ride.

[BillyOmaha]

OK, I'll admit it. I am a normal person and in a wost case scenario (as mentioned above) I would probably "break the law". Happy! :):dance::thumb: Let's :toast:

[MikeERideWNC]

North Carolina Senate Bill 1359
States a motorcycle can run a traffic signal if it does not turn after a three minute wait.


Would you all please leave Art alone or his next bike is going to be a Harley.


46yo you guys are old farts!


:histerica :histerica :histerica :histerica :histerica

[ArthurKnowles]

No worries about a Harley. I did sell my LT (on consignment for just over a week and now gone), but still have my RT. And I plan to move up to a newer RT later this year. Then if the wife decides she's still going to ride long distance with me and the RT will not do, another LT.

I really liked the LT for long distance and the higher level of comfort, but prefer the RT's everyday ridability. What I'd really like is an LT that at the touch of a button could shed 300 pounds and about 12~18 inches in width. That would be some ride!

[grifscoots]

But, all told, I sure have a lot more fun when the group is all more or less at the same skill and aggressiveness level and has a good attitude about it. You would have had a blast with us in Utah. Good attitude? Our faces hurt from grinning. I think next year it's my turn to bring the bail money.

It's a pure joy to ride with experienced riders. You never have to worry about your 6 unless your sweep, automatic stagger and tighten in traffic, almost telepathic movement of the group in lane changes and turns, good lines and lots of laughter off the bikes. Pure joy.

[shadowofshoe]

So I'm a big stick in the mud because I choose to follow the law. I can live with that. Your comments tell me a lot about you and I already know I wouldn't want to ride with you. You don't care about the safety and/or comfort of your fellow riders.

If you chose to ride with a group and then leave them behind you because you chose to ride faster then their comfort zone, ell that's not something I would do. Nor would I chose to ride with you again knowing the way you ride.

But I wouldn't be upset with you either. I'd just choose to go my own way. I don't need to be lead by anyone. I can find my own way anywhere I choose to go. I'll get there in my own time as well.

Arthur-
I've ridden with members of this forum, most faster than I ,some slower, on each ride we all meet up again at the most convenient pull off or intersection that allows for a nice section of riding.
Sometimes they were napping by the time I caught up :D :D but it was about meeting people....not racing and I would be upset if faster riders ALWAYS made accommodations and didn't REALLY enjoy their day in the twisties because of me.

Mike

[bonafidebob]

What I'd really like is an LT that at the touch of a button could shed 300 pounds and about 12~18 inches in width. That would be some ride!
That sounds like a GT to me. ...and you also get 40 more horses.

[bonafidebob]

OK, I'm definitely not breaking any traffic laws in Richland County, South Carolina (http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128482.html)!

http://www.reason.com/UserFiles/Image/rbalko/serveandprotect.jpg
The Richland County, South Carolina Sheriff's Department (that's them above) just obtained an armored personnel carrier, complete with a belt-fed, .50-cal turreted machine gun.

[grifscoots]

http://www.bmwlt.com/gallery/files/1/8/5/cid_6DDAAC03-716D-4FD8-8FB0-BA91D60D6520local.jpg

[ArthurKnowles]

Sometimes they were napping by the time I caught up :D :D but it was about meeting people....not racing and I would be upset if faster riders ALWAYS made accommodations and didn't REALLY enjoy their day in the twisties because of me.

Meeting people is always a good thing. It's one of the things I've enjoyed by owning a BMW.

On the other hand, I too would be upset if I were holding up the group (I doubt I would as I can be a fairly aggressive rider, but not with a passenger on the back. In particular my wife as she's not comfortable with aggressive riding. Least not on the LT) which is why I stated I'd be uncomfortable riding in a group without a known set of rules all agreed to before the ride. That includes how to maintain the group as a group during the ride.

As for the GT that could definitely be the sportier side of it, but then how would you convert it back to a LT? Be nice if you could though. I guess that's why I lean toward the RT as my personal choice. It's sporty enough, but not as good as the GT, but better than the LT. And the RT can tour, but again, not as good as the LT. So, the RT is a good compromise.

But what I really want is something like the AeroCar. Where you can strap on a tail and wing to fly, then land and drive off without it. I'd like a GT that had strap on LT components when needed, but doubt if it will ever exist. I guess I'll just have to live with two motorcycles in my future.

[bonafidebob]

I'd like a GT that had strap on LT components when needed, but doubt if it will ever exist. I guess I'll just have to live with two motorcycles in my future.
Hmm... let's see.

Aerogards - pretty nearly strap on, a couple of bolts.
Laminar lip - snap on (velcro)
Aftermarket shield - bolt on.
Topcase and side cases - snap on.
Bar position - need a torx.
Seat position - pull and lock to adjust.
Suspension - ESA lets you just push a button.

...we're pretty nearly there! And you can go the other way and remove components to make it (a little) more like an 'S'. Dang, I think I got the perfect bike!!

[jayjacobson]

....One bike I am fond of riding on local trips is a Harley Superglide....
Dear Be Nice: try letting the BMW guys pass your super SLOW, H-D, ass. Then, turn left!
Anyone have cheese?
No, but I have some good WHINE!
....no, I didnt do the math...
Yes, clearly math IS NOT your best subject!
....I'll come over there and spit in your milk! :histerica
I dink I ruv u! :D
....I do see many posts and replies on this site that transmit a very arrogant and egotistical attitude. More so than ANY other community that I have been part of. It seems that if I dont ride like you ride, dress like you dress and most importantly ride what you ride, then I am not going to be accepted by you....
:rotf: Oh sweet Jesus! You have us confused for an H-D site! Clearly, "seeing" IS NOT your best subject! :histerica
And my post count has what to do with anything?...
He was merely pointing out what others are thinking: that you're a troll! ;)
I always thought it was legal to cross a double yellow line if it was safe and there is no LEO in sight.....
:rotf: G-D, Wolfgang! Now I need another cup of coffee.... :histerica
....Now, where the hell did I put that island with the topless girls waving the fans?....
Yeah, Grif, I'll be in first thing in the morning.... :D
....Heart attack at 38, bypass at 39, kidney failure at 41, kidney transplant at 46....
Holy shit, Arthur! My back pain just STOPPED quickly, thank you. Well, hope you're better now.
....I made an ill advised u-turn once. I can show you the skin graft scars if you like....
Yeah, left turns/U turns don't seem to work out so well in a marked company car, either. Be careful out there, guys.
:dance::thumb: Let's :toast:
:histerica

[haughty]

I would say play fair, but it seems to be kept in czech.....

I get more remarks from bikers about how beautiful and how these things lean on the road.

I do get more remarks from the HOG riders (usually rolling with the gal in tow)

Love this site.

[petepeterson]

Was there any reason at all for this thread to have been started?????????????

[petepeterson]

Oh,, never mind.... I'll answer my own question later when it becomes more important to me.................... ;)

[BillyOmaha]

....One bike I am fond of riding on local trips is a Harley Superglide. Yes I can hear the laughing and gagging from here ...

Really - what is the problem with some of you guys? Now, not to blame everyone here, but some of you have a serious attitude problem. .... Even after I put on my turn signal to turn left at my house, a group still insisted on passing me - on the left!

Today I had not one, but four newish R1200 RT's bunch up on my ass while I was closer than 25 feet behind a car doing 50mph up a winding mountain road in San Diego. Was it the Harley? Are you so impressed with yourself that you needed me to see you? Get over yourself! Like most riders, I like most bikes and provide courtesy on the road no matter what someone is riding. I have been riding for over 40yrs and I have never seen such rotten atttudes in fellow bikers in my life! Your acting like teenagers on crotch rockets.
Howdy Thomas,

I notice that on August 29, 2008 you joined our little group. I also notice that on August 29, 2008 you created this thread with the below comments. I also notice that on August 29, 2008 you made your only post. AND I further notice that since August 29, 2008 you haven't made a visit to our sandbox.

Was your purpose to vent and leave?

To admonish BMW riders in general and leave?

If you wanted to direct your comments to the four RT's that acted poorly, why did you come here and then duck out before we could id the hooligans and slap them around for you?

You assume we, BMW riders, all snicker at H-D's, I admit to you that some of our members do, but the vast majority do not. Motorcyclists are a minority and, literally, endangered class of people on the road. We all need to stick together across brands to advance our needs.

If you are serious about cross brand dialogue, then come back and have a discussion.

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[kosmo]

My Gawd...bunch of freaks !!!

We ride whatever we wish and hope others do the same....(two wheels of course)...get off the BMW..H-D..WING or whatever you don't ride!!!!!

Now put some oily rags around your feet..ah good...set a match to the oily rags and burn the ant's off your candy ass's...and quit bitchen about other bikes and how you were offended or not by other riders....you bunch of freaks !!!!!!!

This is one issue that burns my ass...one is better than another...one doesn't wave...one wears leather and whatever....

Bunch of whiners !!!!!!!!

send me a PM if you don't like my attitude, or have the balls to just shut up !

[bonafidebob]

I notice that on August 29, 2008 you joined our little group. I also notice that on August 29, 2008 you created this thread with the below comments. I also notice that on August 29, 2008 you made your only post. AND I further notice that since August 29, 2008 you haven't made a visit to our sandbox.
Could be some other member who didn't want to post under his usual name and get all the crap... just create a one-off account, post, and then sit back and watch. :corn:

(Wasn't me, I post all my offensive comments under my own name!)

[BillyOmaha]

Could be some other member who didn't want to post under his usual name and get all the crap... just create a one-off account, post, and then sit back and watch. :corn:

(Wasn't me, I post all my offensive comments under my own name!)Howdy Bob,

You might be right, but if it's true he's a coward.

Sincerely,

BMW-Squid-Rider :bike:


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[NCrider]

My Gawd...bunch of freaks !!!

We ride whatever we wish and hope others do the same....(two wheels of course)...get off the BMW..H-D..WING or whatever you don't ride!!!!!

Now put some oily rags around your feet..ah good...set a match to the oily rags and burn the ant's off your candy ass's...and quit bitchen about other bikes and how you were offended or not by other riders....you bunch of freaks !!!!!!!

This is one issue that burns my ass...one is better than another...one doesn't wave...one wears leather and whatever....

Bunch of whiners !!!!!!!!

send me a PM if you don't like my attitude, or have the balls to just shut up !

I think I like this guy... :cool:

[BillyOmaha]

My Gawd...bunch of freaks !!!

We ride whatever we wish and hope others do the same....(two wheels of course)...get off the BMW..H-D..WING or whatever you don't ride!!!!!

Now put some oily rags around your feet..ah good...set a match to the oily rags and burn the ant's off your candy ass's...and quit bitchen about other bikes and how you were offended or not by other riders....you bunch of freaks !!!!!!!

This is one issue that burns my ass...one is better than another...one doesn't wave...one wears leather and whatever....

Bunch of whiners !!!!!!!!

send me a PM if you don't like my attitude, or have the balls to just shut up !Howdy Ricky,

Not exactly how I would word but, AMEN!!

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[rkimmel2]

Oh my God! I got to go back to work as I am reading this thread and obviously have way too much time on my hands. There is a light around the corner from me that never changes. I once parked the bike, took a nap on the grass by the side of the road and did not wake up till my wife saw me laying there in the sun on her way home from work. I like that light.

[jayjacobson]

My Gawd...bunch of freaks !!!....Bunch of whiners !!!!!!!!....
Kosmo, I see you are familiar with our site! :D
Was there any reason at all for this thread to have been started?????????????
Hey Pete! I think Kosmo pretty much figured it out.
I think I like this guy... :cool:
Yes, me too!

[kosmo]

Hey guy's, I didn't intend to offend anyone / what they ride or their opinions about the world as we know it.
Bikers / riders/ all of the above should bond together as a group and promote a fellowship as close to the military as possible, not the backstabbing, pissing and moaning like a bunch of teenage girls with a pimple on their ass for their first date. We as a group, should be above this kind of useless attitude.

Oily rags are still my favorite device for problems as such!

Thanks for listening to my rant.

Ricky

[Tat_n_Telle]

1 post.

Troll.

Ignore.

(repeat as necessary)

[HarleyBrad08]

HA HA HA - too true. Riding my 1995 Harley, I would have to budget for "parts that fell off" during long trips!

Regarding waving, as a Harley rider, I wave at most people and usually Harley riders wave back. This year, at CCR, I borrowed a K1200S. Fine, fine bike. Anyway, I noticed all the bmw guys I passed waved at me but many of the Harley guys didn't. I felt rejected by my own. I wanted to circle back (cause God knows I could have caught up to ANY Harley with barely a crank of the throttle on the S) and have a "chat" - but instead I just raced into the next curve. :)


I have a BMW and a Harley, so I can say this: never follow a Harley too closely, you may be struck by flying parts!
It does amuze me though. When I ride my Harley, Beemers won't wave at me. When I ride my BMW, Harleys won't wave! ME? I just quit waving all together.

[bmwrider79]

All this venting from ONE post from a troll. WOW.

By the way new scientific find, the louder the pipe on any V twin motorcycle the smaller the operators penis is.

I cannot prove this personally but it seem to make sense.

In this months AMA journal. Not the American Motorcyclist Assoc. either.

[jayjacobson]

....By the way new scientific find, the louder the pipe on any V twin motorcycle the smaller the operators penis is....
Is that like those big-ass 4wd pickem up trucks? The higher the truck, the smaller the schwing?