Paalo, this one is for you: Prime Ministers "shock" at knife deaths.

[norriscooper]

"The Government will announce further measures to tackle knife crime on Monday following several knife-related deaths this week.

Speaking in a Downing Street statement, the PM said that he had been in contact with Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair and asked to be kept up to date on investigations.

Mr Brown said the stabbings are "shocking and tragic" and offered his condolences to the friends and families of those hurt.

He then revealed that the Government will be publishing the first ever cross-government youth crime plan later next week. The plan will contain new enforcement measures, improvements to sentencing, and a new approach to youth crime prevention.

"The terrible stabbings that have occurred this week are shocking and tragic, and my thoughts are with the families and friends of those who have been hurt or killed in these attacks.

"On Monday the Home Secretary Jacqui Smith will announce further measures to tackle knife crime, taking forward the approach we set out last month. Later in the week we will publish the first ever cross-government youth crime plan which we have been working on over recent months. It will contain new enforcement measures, improvements to sentencing, and a new approach to youth crime prevention - including tough parenting programmes targeted on areas with the most problems.

"We will continue to make absolutely clear that carrying a knife is unacceptable in our society.

"People prosecuted for carrying a knife are now almost three times as likely to go to prison as in 1997. Those prosecuted for carrying or using knives get far tougher sentences. Just in the last month, we have announced and put into immediate effect an end to cautions for knife possession, replacing it with a expectation to prosecute. We are also giving more money and equipment for police forces in key areas to do more stop and searches.

"I have spoken to Sir Ian Blair today about the situation in London, and I know the police are doing everything in their power to bring those responsible to justice. I have asked to be kept updated on any developments. I thank the police for their efforts, and urge people to give them any help they can."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2044447/posts

[Patric]

So , ... are they going to bust all the Boy Scouts for carrying ? ...I have carryed either a Boy Scout , or a Swiss Army knife my hole life .... I guess I will have to check it at the border .

[PMitchell]

I was in the UK a couple of weeks ago and on the evening news there was a spot on busting under-age purchasers of kitchen knives.

These are obviously not pocket, scout, folding, or switchblades but butchering knives.

Give me a .38 special any time! :D

[KMC1]

I wonder what they will do after the criminal start using kitchen forks and razor knives?
Didn't the English outlaw weapons in Scotland for a long time? Well, that certainly worked out well for them..... :histerica SNP (http://www.snp.org/)

[Randy]

...I have carryed either a Boy Scout

How'd that work out for you? :histerica

[pkpr1998]

How'd that work out for you? :histerica

Because the Boy Scouts are physically fit and they will put the can of whoop arse on ya'! :wow:

[paalao]

:histerica pushing for an reaction are you?

Eljeffe made it clear that I have to write propper english in an non insulting way so I am more observing ;) Just putting a civilized coment here and there.

But why is that for me? (I know, I am putting a smile on your face everytime I comment...finaly some action here hehe) Would it not be fitting bringing up a story on Norwegian
"bad boys" instead of one from the UK? :p

(Norris, meeting you is almost reason enough to go to the states for a visit, I am sure we would have a "blast" :rotf:

Admin.
I cant delete my previous message so now you have two answears there :)

[eljeffe]

Eljeffe made it clear that I have to write propper english in an non insulting way so I am more observing ;) Just putting a civilized coment here and there.


No, Paul, you're wrong. I told you that you could continue to participate as long as you stopped resorting to personal attacks and other violations of our site guidelines. As long as you abide by those rules, you are more than welcome to participate.

[norriscooper]

Four times more crime in Oslo than New York!

The crime rate in Oslo has been growing at an alarming rate and recent statistics show the Norwegian capital had 20 percent more robberies last year than in 2006.

While crime in the rest of Norway has been going down, it has been quite another situation in Oslo, where personal and automobile thefts increased markedly last year.

There were 10,600 crimes reported in public places in 2007, up from 8,000 a year earlier, writes Norwegian daily newspaper Dagbladet.

Oslo had the highest rate per person in Scandinavia in terms of reported crimes, with 90 reported crimes per 1,000.

Copenhagen had 50 crimes reported per 1,000 and Stockholm had 79.

In New York, there were 22 reported crimes per 1,000 inhabitants.

This means there were four times as many reported crimes per person in Oslo as in New York.

The Oslo police are blaming the increase on an influx of East Europeans, and Minister of Justice Knut Storberget is reportedly partly in agreement.

However, Storberget said it is necessary to be careful drawing parallels with such statistics. "But regardless, we can say the crime figures in Oslo are too high," he was reported to have said.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2299327.ece

[paalao]

Yes, they are drawn to the wealth of the country.
Luckily they mostly gather in Oslo the capitol and keep away from the good places as where I live hehe

And it is political not correct to show that the "new Norwegians" people from the third world as Pakistan etc are responsible for most crimes.

[cfell]

..C'mon Paul.. you know they only come ONE way .. INTO America... we didn't send the displaced New Orleanean's to Norway.

[jayjacobson]

Yup! I've been advocating a 10 ten waiting period on those EVIL "assault knives" for years. But the EVIL NKA (National Knife Association) has been blocking the people from being safe! Doesn't the National Knife Association know that the worthless big government hacks just wanna keep the little people safe from these poor, misunderstood, assault-knife wielding killers?!

You know, this plot almost sounds eerily familiar.....just can't quite get the place and time....
No, Paul, you're wrong. I told you that you could continue to participate as long as you stopped resorting to personal attacks and other violations of our site guidelines. As long as you abide by those rules, you are more than welcome to participate.
See Pal! You just got the Communist/Socialist/Liberal, Green light! :D

[paalao]

Yup! I've been advocating a 10 ten waiting period on those EVIL "assault knives" for years. But the EVIL NNA (National Knife Association) has been blocking the people from being safe! Doesn't the National Knife Association know that the worthless big government hacks just wanna keep the little people safe from these poor, misunderstood, assault-knife wielding killers?!

You know, this plot almost sounds eerily familiar.....just can't quite get the place and time....

See Pal! You just got the Communist/Socialist/Liberal, Green light! :D

Welll JJ, If I should be any of the above, marked in bold. I would be very happy if people saw me as one of them and not an republican/conservative :)

Becouse if you look around you, I dont see how any (but the few) can not sit with a bad taste of failed politics in their mouth :p An eliete sosciety compariable to the old royalty system of Britain where the top ppl was semi gods and the rest were their tenants and slavs to be used as cheap labour without rights. (Cant afford exspenicve lawyers)

The USoA as we know it now is even worce for the general population than the last years of Sovjet rule for those living under that roule. And the poor and homeless + medical bills was always taken care of in the former Sovjet union.

BTW here is an interesting story from my good man Keith Obermann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIwJ9zHba6g 1-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDvtVeouzK0 2-2

Somehow I am sure that most republicans and conservative will still put their head in the sand and look for another excuse of why they had to support the illegal war on Iraq. :histerica We all know the reason though, money, greed and explotation. How ever I am happy to see that many rep/cons have changed their stand and see this US administration for what it is.

Oh Norris, sorry for hijacking your knife thread ;) I just feel that JJ and others, you included, have waited for some good hard and insult free debate, so here it is :)

[Oisin]

Somehow I am sure that most republicans and conservative will still put their head in the sand and look for another excuse of why they had to support the illegal war on Iraq

Iraq??? Why most of us have forgotten about that war since King George declared it "mission accomplished."

[paalao]

Iraq??? Why most of us have forgotten about that war since King George declared it "mission accomplished."
:rotf: :p

[jayjacobson]

Welll JJ, If I should be any of the above, marked in bold. I would be very happy if people saw me as one of them and not an republican/conservative :)....Somehow I am sure that most republicans and conservative will still put their head in the sand and look for another excuse of why they had to support the illegal war on Iraq....I just feel that JJ and others, you included, have waited for some good hard and insult free debate, so here it is :)
Yeah! And this Libertarian will tell you that just because it MAY be illegal, doesn't make it any less just and proper.

Now, this "INSULT FREE" stuff has got to stop! :D
Iraq??? Why most of us have forgotten about that war since King George declared it "mission accomplished."
Why does he have to be a king? Can't he just be the "EVIL W?!" I think king is more fitting for the one that got impeached. ;)

[paalao]

:histerica JJ I just had to give you something to be happy about :D

Up early or late?

[jayjacobson]

:histerica JJ I just had to give you something to be happy about :D

Up early or late?
Why thank you, sir! Up late, of course. More like swingin' it all night, late! :)

[KMC1]

Yup! I've been advocating a 10 ten waiting period on those EVIL "assault knives" for years. But the EVIL NKA (National Knife Association) has been blocking the people from being safe! Doesn't the National Knife Association know that the worthless big government hacks just wanna keep the little people safe from these poor, misunderstood, assault-knife wielding killers?!

Dude, it's just that they're bitter and clinging to their knives and religion -that's all. :rolleyes:

[KMC1]

BTW here is an interesting story from my good man Keith Obermann

Paalao, I have read your posts and just basically rolled my eyes at most of them. Now, I believe I have figured out why. :v:

[jayjacobson]

Dude, it's just that they're bitter and clinging to their knives and religion -that's all. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I know! Hell, I even remember the Saint BHO, "THE Messiah," covered that, already. Once again, I stand corrected. Let that be a lesson to me! :o :rolleyes:

[paalao]

Paalao, I have read your posts and just basically rolled my eyes at most of them. Now, I believe I have figured out why. :v:
:rotf: :p

[Morley]

Paalao, I have read your posts and just basically rolled my eyes at most of them. Now, I believe I have figured out why. :v:
Because his "arguments" are so full of crap you can smell them?

[jayjacobson]

Because his "arguments" are so full of crap you can smell them?
Now, now, now! You don't want Andy's little panties to implode, do you?! :D

[Morley]

Somehow I am sure that most republicans and conservative will still put their head in the sand and look for another excuse
I'd rather have my head in the sand rather than the body cavity yours seems to reside in.
Speaking of "excuses".... Luckily they mostly gather in Oslo the capitol and keep away from the good places as where I live
And it is political not correct to show that the "new Norwegians" people from the third world as Pakistan etc are responsible for most crimes That would be akin to us saying that all crime in the USA is committed by the illegal mexicans and "other" minorities here....I smell bovine feces.

[Oisin]

Somehow I am sure that most republicans and conservative will still put their head in the sand and look for another excuse of why they had to support the illegal war on Iraq. :histerica :)
This definitely touched a nerve or two... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: wonder why? Please do not blame the Republicans, because there is no longer any difference between the them and the Democrats.
Really there is only one party in the U.S. It is the party of the elites who control the proletarian masses. Realistically it is one big Government that allows its citizens, as much choice at election time as the USSR did during the Cold War.

[shadowofshoe]

Yes, they are drawn to the wealth of the country.
Luckily they mostly gather in Oslo the capitol and keep away from the good places as where I live hehe

And it is political not correct to show that the "new Norwegians" people from the third world as Pakistan etc are responsible for most crimes.

"New Norwegians" sounds awful racist...... Shame!!! Shame!!!!!


Wow!!!! The 'good place" where you live ......how is that any different from say........Detroit's bedroom communities????????

So outside of KO's absolute hatred of the country that made him wealthy while being a sports repoter and getting fired......then deciding he is is NOW an absolute moral barometer of our values BS BS BS!!!!!!!!!

Mike

[Oisin]

Yeah! And this Libertarian will tell you that just because it MAY be illegal, doesn't make it any less just and proper.

Now, this "INSULT FREE" stuff has got to stop! :D

Why does he have to be a king? Can't he just be the "EVIL W?!" I think king is more fitting for the one that got impeached. ;)
Jay,

Thanks for pointing that out. Clinton also acted like a King and moved the presidency further toward a the dictatorship role. His conservative, free market (NAFTA) and go it alone attitude paved the way for King George to hand the wealth of the country over to the elite class.

I do not think King George is "Evil W," in retrospect, I think he believes what he is doing is best for the country because Cheney said it was.

I love this country, but I am saddened by what it has become :mad: .

[RMoore007]

Welll JJ, If I should be any of the above, marked in bold. I would be very happy if people saw me as one of them and not an republican/conservative :)

Becouse if you look around you, I dont see how any (but the few) can not sit with a bad taste of failed politics in their mouth :p An eliete sosciety compariable to the old royalty system of Britain where the top ppl was semi gods and the rest were their tenants and slavs to be used as cheap labour without rights. (Cant afford exspenicve lawyers)

The USoA as we know it now is even worce for the general population than the last years of Sovjet rule for those living under that roule. And the poor and homeless + medical bills was always taken care of in the former Sovjet union.

BTW here is an interesting story from my good man Keith Obermann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIwJ9zHba6g 1-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDvtVeouzK0 2-2

Somehow I am sure that most republicans and conservative will still put their head in the sand and look for another excuse of why they had to support the illegal war on Iraq. :histerica We all know the reason though, money, greed and explotation. How ever I am happy to see that many rep/cons have changed their stand and see this US administration for what it is.

Oh Norris, sorry for hijacking your knife thread ;) I just feel that JJ and others, you included, have waited for some good hard and insult free debate, so here it is :)

Paalao says: "Failed politics, elites, comparing usa to soviets, homeless problem, health care problem, half the population puts their heads in the sand, supports illegal war, encourage greed and exploitation, see leadership for what it is."

Insult free? First of all, conservatives/republicans have heard all these things at least a hundred times before. Maybe a thousand. It seems to me that you are using a broad stroke to put all c/r's in the same group. Many people are conservative because they have certain values, morals, ethics and principals that guide their lives. Some don't like Bush, some are indifferent, some are worse than you with their dislike. Most are 'over it' and are looking forward to the future.

And another thing, Norway has 4.7 million people. We have only two states that have 4.7 million people. That's Alabama and Colorado. We have 48 more states. There are more people in this country that still love Bush than several times Norway's population.

In defense of this sentence earlier from Paalao: "And it is political not correct to show that the "new Norwegians" people from the third world as Pakistan etc are responsible for most crimes." It reads to me that he is saying it's a bad thing to say about Pakistani's.

[norriscooper]

And another thing, Norway has 4.7 million people. We have only two states that have 4.7 million people. That's Alabama and Colorado. We have 48 more states.

roger, Roger,
We have 58 states. Thus sayeth lord Obama.

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

[jayjacobson]

Jay,

Thanks for pointing that out. Clinton also acted like a King and moved the presidency further toward a the dictatorship role. His conservative, free market (NAFTA) and go it alone attitude paved the way for King George to hand the wealth of the country over to the elite class.

I do not think King George is "Evil W," in retrospect, I think he believes what he is doing is best for the country because Cheney said it was.

I love this country, but I am saddened by what it has become :mad: .
Aaaahhhhhhhh yes! The "EVILER" (is that a word?) Cheney! :eek:
....There are more people in this country that still love Bush than several times Norway's population....
NNNNOOOOOOOO! :eek:
....We have 58 states. Thus sayeth lord Obama....
Now Norris, let's not be disrespectful and condescending. That's SAINT Obama, aka "THE Messiah!" :histerica

[paalao]

This definitely touched a nerve or two... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: wonder why? Please do not blame the Republicans, because there is no longer any difference between the them and the Democrats.
Really there is only one party in the U.S. It is the party of the elites who control the proletarian masses. Realistically it is one big Government that allows its citizens, as much choice at election time as the USSR did during the Cold War.

I agree and in fact I think we could compare the situation in Cuba just before the revolution as that of the USA now.
A leadership paid by the top 4% and corporations which is out to drain the common man for all his money.

And yes as I previous stated, the USA of today is what the USSR was back in the days, all the goods to the top guys with the masses to foot the bill.

Those on top of the "foodchain" will of course denie it while those at bottom are usualy so brainwashed that they dont even see it. The educated masses in the middle have knowledge to it and more and more see it, but lack of balls make very few of them speak out and unite against the system they are victims of.

[paalao]

Paalao says: "Failed politics, elites, comparing usa to soviets, homeless problem, health care problem, half the population puts their heads in the sand, supports illegal war, encourage greed and exploitation, see leadership for what it is."

Insult free? First of all, conservatives/republicans have heard all these things at least a hundred times before. Maybe a thousand. It seems to me that you are using a broad stroke to put all c/r's in the same group. Many people are conservative because they have certain values, morals, ethics and principals that guide their lives. Some don't like Bush, some are indifferent, some are worse than you with their dislike. Most are 'over it' and are looking forward to the future.

And another thing, Norway has 4.7 million people. We have only two states that have 4.7 million people. That's Alabama and Colorado. We have 48 more states. There are more people in this country that still love Bush than several times Norway's population.

In defense of this sentence earlier from Paalao: "And it is political not correct to show that the "new Norwegians" people from the third world as Pakistan etc are responsible for most crimes." It reads to me that he is saying it's a bad thing to say about Pakistani's.


Well I dont know, rasist or not, the facts are pretty clear as taken from this article. This is actualt taken from an article in PATRIOT UNION OF AMERICA

http://www.patriotunion.org/news/by_issue/immigration/multicultural_madness_threatening.htm

I will chose some exerts, you are ofcourse free to read the whole article:)

Multicultural Madness Threatening Countries Everywhere

"Norway; the land of dramatic fjords, stunning scenery, isolated fishing villages unchanged for centuries, the best medical care that oil money can buy ………and home to a growing Jihadist movement."

"Norwegian police have discovered that over 330 Pakistani taxi drivers, many of whom have already been charged with tax evasion in one of the worst cases of welfare fraud in the nation's history, have close contact with Pakistani gangs and operate as couriers of arms and drugs. In the city of Oslo it is documented that criminal Pakistani gangs also have close ties to Jihadist groups at home and abroad."

"The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital is six times as high per capita as in New York City, and it is well documented that certain immigrant groups are grossly overrepresented on the statistics. Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study."

"A shoot-out between two Pakistani gangs one crowded Sunday evening at Oslo's popular waterfront complex Aker Brygge left two men wounded. Newspaper VG reported that a policeman had to run for his life from an angry crowd of Pakistanis"

And so on.

I am not sure that reading the facts as they are make me an rasist, but if it does I would not give a ratts arce if I am a rasist based on this. :D

[Oisin]

[QUOTE=paalao]

Those on top of the "foodchain" will of course denie it while those at bottom are usualy so brainwashed that they dont even see it. QUOTE]

This line about sums it up. In the U.S. the propaganda networks are well established. NPR, FOX and CNN claim to be news stations but they are really just the voice of the elite.
In the U.S. there is a business section in all newspapers, but there is no labor section even though the working classes are the ones reading the paper? Most workers are disciplined to believe in a rugged individualistic fantasy which keeps them obedient and passive to their masters.
Ironically, it is the elites who practise idleness while preaching the goodness of hard work. They even go as far as linking work with deity to keep the proletariat labouring... sad, really sad.

[Morley]

[QUOTE=paalao]


In the U.S. the propaganda networks are well established. NPR, FOX and CNN claim to be news stations but they are really just the voice of the elite.
In the U.S. there is a business section in all newspapers, but there is no labor section even though the working classes are the ones reading the paper? Most workers are disciplined to believe in a rugged individualistic fantasy which keeps them obedient and passive to their masters.
Ironically, it is the elites who practise idleness while preaching the goodness of hard work. They even go as far as linking work with deity to keep the proletariat labouring... sad, really sad.
You DO realize that Conspiracy Theory was just a movie, right? Is the inside of your house lined with tinfoil?

[cccpastorjack]

Well I dont know, rasist or not, the facts are pretty clear as taken from this article. This is actualt taken from an article in PATRIOT UNION OF AMERICA

http://www.patriotunion.org/news/by_issue/immigration/multicultural_madness_threatening.htm

I will chose some exerts, you are ofcourse free to read the whole article:)

Multicultural Madness Threatening Countries Everywhere

"Norway; the land of dramatic fjords, stunning scenery, isolated fishing villages unchanged for centuries, the best medical care that oil money can buy ………and home to a growing Jihadist movement."

"Norwegian police have discovered that over 330 Pakistani taxi drivers, many of whom have already been charged with tax evasion in one of the worst cases of welfare fraud in the nation's history, have close contact with Pakistani gangs and operate as couriers of arms and drugs. In the city of Oslo it is documented that criminal Pakistani gangs also have close ties to Jihadist groups at home and abroad."

"The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital is six times as high per capita as in New York City, and it is well documented that certain immigrant groups are grossly overrepresented on the statistics. Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study."

"A shoot-out between two Pakistani gangs one crowded Sunday evening at Oslo's popular waterfront complex Aker Brygge left two men wounded. Newspaper VG reported that a policeman had to run for his life from an angry crowd of Pakistanis"

And so on.

I am not sure that reading the facts as they are make me an rasist, but if it does I would not give a ratts arce if I am a rasist based on this. :D

Well, at least those who are honest Norwegian citizens have the right to own a gun to protect yourselves from thieves. Oh crap....I forgot. The government took that right away from law-adiding people. Now the only ones who have guns are the criminals. Uh Oh...... :eek:

[jayjacobson]

[QUOTE=Oisin]....Is the inside of your house lined with tinfoil?
No wonder I KEEP RECEIVING THE Communist News Network?! :eek:
Well, at least those who are honest Norwegian citizens have the right to own a gun to protect yourselves from thieves. Oh crap....I forgot. The government took that right away from law-adiding people. Now the only ones who have guns are the criminals. Uh Oh...... :eek:
Well yeah, Jack. Look how well it's worked in DC for 30+ years! All we need to do to ruin other countries (also) is export our liberalism/socialism.:rolleyes:

[KMC1]

All we need to do to ruin other countries (also) is export our liberalism/socialism.:rolleyes:
Or continue to ruin ours by importing so many people from socialist countries every year before they've had time to assimilate into our culture.

[Morley]

How did my name get attached to your quote?

[KMC1]

How did my name get attached to your quote?
DOH! :o

[paalao]

Yeah I definately need to bring the sosialst dust when I come visit or maybe I should get a remote socialist tinkerbell

You do know guys that the way we help our fellow riders on the road or in here is kind a the way socialists think?

Share the knowledge.
A republican or conservative would charge for the info.

Maybe that is what I like so much about this forum, the Socialist spirit.

HEHE

[jayjacobson]

....You do know guys that the way we help our fellow riders on the road or in here is kind a the way socialists think?

Share the knowledge.
A republican or conservative would charge for the info.

Maybe that is what I like so much about this forum, the Socialist spirit....
Pal, seeing as how I'm a Libertarian, AND for you, only $.50! :D

[paalao]

Pal, seeing as how I'm a Libertarian, AND for you, only $.50! :D

:p
I am more a liberal (as in what liberals ment before the republicans tainted the meaning of it) but the sosialist spirit is always there aswell.

JJ put in on my tab, I`ll pay you in beer some day, or I can bring a 1/4 kilo of a good coffe from home when I go visit. It is amazing that the whole country cant make good coffe. It took me 4 years to find one brand that would do and that was Maxwell House Genuine Blend in a brown tin can.

No charge :D

PS!! JJ, I think I killed this tread with showing them how they all are sosialists in some way or another :D

[jayjacobson]

....It took me 4 years to find one brand that would do and that was Maxwell House Genuine Blend in a brown tin can....
Actually, my fav is McDonald's!:eek: If you can believe that? I think it is better than Starbucks AND certainly costs way less. No matter where I drink it world wide, it has been consistently great. For big name coffee, Maxwell is fine. Now, you know too much coffee is bad for you....Just like SMOKING! :eek:
I think I killed this tread with showing them how they all are socialists in some way or another :D
:rotf: That would kill ANY thread! :histerica

[KMC1]

PS!! JJ, I think I killed this tread with showing them how they all are sosialists in some way or another :D
For me, this thread ended when you said you agree with Olberman.

[eljeffe]

For me, this thread ended when you said you agree with Olberman.

:histerica

[paalao]

For me, this thread ended when you said you agree with Olberman.

:rotf:

And you agree with Bill O'Reilly ???