Man decapitates passenger aboard Greyhound bus in Manitoba

[DaveDragon]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html

[gglove]

Sad but I can believe it have you even been in a Greyhound terminal? :D

[norriscooper]

Wasn't anyone on the bus packing heat.

[Randy]

Wasn't anyone on the bus packing heat.Yes. It's a good thing that Canada doesn't allow its citizens to be armed - prevents all the violence those nasty handguns bring about.

[RVB1019]

"RCMP crisis negotiators communicated with the suspect for several hours while he was on the bus. Around 1:30 a.m., he attempted to jump from a bus window and was subdued and arrested, RCMP said."

Ummm.... with just the poor dead and headless victim on the bus, why didn't the Mounties just shoot the crazy creep?

"While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us,"

"While we were waiting on the side of the road, [the attacker] was taunting the police with the head in his hand,"

GEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing Dave! Now I'm going to have nightmares.

My heart goes out to the poor kid's (the victim, not the creep) family.

[Ted Shred]

Wasn't anyone on the bus packing heat.


Guns are dangerous don't ya know:( The suspect could have been hurt:mad:

[ChasnRacin]

Guns are dangerous don't ya know:( The suspect could have been hurt:mad:

Is a man holding a head still considered a suspect...oh yeah, I guess the victim could have removed his OWN head! :eek:

[RVB1019]

Spoken like a true Ambulance Chaser! :p

[SilverBuffalo]

Yes. It's a good thing that Canada doesn't allow its citizens to be armed - prevents all the violence those nasty handguns bring about.Some would probably argue that our "northern neighbors" have it right.
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18899

[gladiator99]

Our justice system in Canada sure needs some changes. So far this creep who killed the young man, has only been charged with second degree murder. If it was a premeditated crime it would be first degree murder, and an automatic life sentence. Let's see, you carry a bushwhacking knife onto a bus and then you start hacking some joe to death, then you behead him.
Maybe he was planning to trim his beard on the trip.
The RCMP should have shot the asshole as soon as he showed his ugly face at the door. Now the taxpayers will have to pay for a free lawyer to defend the stupid idiot.
That's my 2 cents and I am still upset about this!
Jim. :cussing: :cussing:

[KMC1]

It's funny, but when I was up in Nova Scotia a few weeks ago I was reading articles in the papers about how violent America is and how the gun manufacturing that goes on in America is the cause of all the violence in Canada. Of course there was no mention of the correlation between condoning drug use in Canada and gang related violent crime.... just how it was all America's fault for the guns that were killing Canadians... It was really strange to see how fanatical people were about Canada too, (of course it was close to Canada day) with literally thousands of maple leaves flying from houses, cars, buses, building, etc. It was all very Orwellian and was kinda creepy actually.
I would say that the suggestion of giving Canadians the right to arms that Americans have, would not go over very well with the majority of them. JMTCW.

[norriscooper]

I was reading articles in the papers about how violent America is and how the gun manufacturing that goes on in America is the cause of all the violence in Canada. .... just how it was all America's fault for the guns that were killing Canadians....

Blame the USA? You might point out to them that other countries manufacture hand guns!
Israel, Italy, Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Argentina, Austria, Spain, Czech Republic, Brazil just to name a few.

[KMC1]

Yeah, it was very surreal to see how anti-American the attitudes were in certain people, I was fairly shocked to be honest. I have distant relatives in Canada and have also spent some time over the years in Montreal chasing girls (ahhh.. those were the days man.... :p ) and never detected such anti-Americanism or for that matter Candadian nationalism. It was pretty creepy seeing all the flags everywhere, I have to be honest.
It doesn't make sense to me, but to be fair, the overriding sentiment seemed to be driven by the far Left so I'm sure if you were to get in the more Right leaning circles it probably all evens out. It could have something to do with the fact that I was reading papers in Halifax, which is for all intents a college town.

[DaveDragon]

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24120968-954,00.html

[rldavidson2]

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24120968-954,00.html

So, he was hunting for food and not sport? Hmmm. So, can they still bust him for hunting without a license???

That was way out of line. I apologize.

[paalao]

Good the insane man only had a knife, that way the others may escape.
If he had a gun he may had killed as many as he had bullets!

IMO asking for people to "pack heat" is not the solution.

[KMC1]

Good the insane man only had a knife, that way the others may escape.
If he had a gun he may had killed as many as he had bullets!

IMO asking for people to "pack heat" is not the solution.
In your opinion people having the right to arm yourself is not an option because you live in a country where you have been taught to fear eachother and to defer to the government to protect and provide for you. It's this attitude which is slowly but surely ruining this country as well.
I for one, would be extremely happy to have another passenger step up and protect me from a maniac by killing him. What you, and almost all Liberal (Communist) minded people seem to forget, is that almost every gun crime committed is done so with an illegal firearm. You don't need to fear your fellow man because he has a gun, you need to fear your fellow man if he is deemed not fit to carry one.

[mconlogue]

In your opinion people having the right to arm yourself is not an option because you live in a country where you have been taught to fear eachother and to defer to the government to protect and provide for you. It's this attitude which is slowly but surely ruining this country as well.
I for one, would be extremely happy to have another passenger step up and protect me from a maniac by killing him. What you, and almost all Liberal (Communist) minded people seem to forget, is that almost every gun crime committed is done so with an illegal firearm. You don't need to fear your fellow man because he has a gun, you need to fear your fellow man if he is deemed not fit to carry one.


+1 well said!

[RTTommy]

You yanks and your f---ing guns...when will you ever grow up?

[paalao]

In your opinion people having the right to arm yourself is not an option because you live in a country where you have been taught to fear eachother

and to defer to the government to protect and provide for you.

In the first part, I am wondering where you got that from?

When I took my Colorado driving licence, the controller could tell me that he had served as a colonel at NATO HQ in Oslo. A sunday he was out skiing in the "Nordmarka", a forrest area just north of Oslo, and there he met an old nice guy that was out with his two dogs. The old man asked if they were tourists? and the colonel said, no and told the old man where he worked. The old man then said that he should send his regards to a named general and say hello from Olav.
The colonel did not think much more about that and after a week he met this general and told him that story. The general smiled and said..do you know who that old man is/ was? No he said, well he is the King of Norway!
King of Norway!!! With no guards or protection???? Oh the King is guarded, he has the protection of the whole population! :)

I dont think it sounds like we are in fear of anything since we do not feel the need to arm ourselves.

Second part yes, we do expect the law to protect and serve us as we serve them, and since the society I live in has such strict laws against weapons we also have cops that dont wear guns unless called out on certain special missions where a person may be armed and dangerous. If such incident happens then the cops need to get approval to take out firearms by the acting police chief.

[starky]

Yeah, it was very surreal to see how anti-American the attitudes were in certain people, I was fairly shocked to be honest. I have distant relatives in Canada and have also spent some time over the years in Montreal chasing girls (ahhh.. those were the days man.... :p ) and never detected such anti-Americanism or for that matter Candadian nationalism. It was pretty creepy seeing all the flags everywhere, I have to be honest.
It doesn't make sense to me, but to be fair, the overriding sentiment seemed to be driven by the far Left so I'm sure if you were to get in the more Right leaning circles it probably all evens out. It could have something to do with the fact that I was reading papers in Halifax, which is for all intents a college town.

Can't be any creepier than seeing all of the American flags.
We're trying hard to get some of the American spirit; That's why we opened our doors to the Chinese immigrant and exposed him to the American Rambo films where he learned his hacking craft and how to deal with his problems.
First one to draw his weapon wins!

Ahhh, I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!!

JS

[RTTommy]

+1 Starky!

[kriach]

Why would it be "creepy" to see Canadian flags in Canada? Do you think that the only people entitled to fly a flag are the US? Is there something wrong with Canadians being proud of their country and their flag? Is the american flag the only one that can be flown by people?


Your post speaks volumes of your lack of knowledge of Canada and her people. I would most strongly suggest that before you issue criticism of another country that you first learn about it and it's people.

Just as a side note for you on my last trip to the US on the LT I flew both a Canadian flag and a US flag on my bike as a salute to both countries. I also support our troops overseas by displaying a support sticker.

Ken

[RTTommy]

JOE FRIESEN
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
August 5, 2008 at 8:32 PM EDT
ERICKSON, MAN. — Vince Li stood in a Manitoba courtroom Tuesday pleading for it all to end.
“Please kill me,” he said quietly, in a court packed with journalists and members of the victim's family.
Mr. Li, 40, is accused of stabbing and beheading 22-year-old Tim McLean, a complete stranger, who was sleeping next to him on a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg on July 30.
The judge ordered a psychiatric assessment to determine whether Mr. Li is fit to stand trial and whether he can be held criminally responsible for his actions. He has so far refused to speak to a lawyer.
Vince Weiguang Li, suspect in the murder of Tim McLean aboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba, is escorted by sheriff officers on his way to a court appearance on Tuesday. (Reuters)
Tim McLean was a free spirit who warmed the hearts of those around him with his infectious laugh, his family says
Vince Weiguang Li appears in Manitoba courtroom to face charge of second-degree murder
Young man travelling on Greyhound bus stabbed to death and beheaded by stranger.
Court was told Mr. Li spent four days in a Canadian psychiatric facility at some point, but the Crown is still trying to determine where and when. Crown lawyer Joyce Dalmyn said Mr. Li has not yet offered any explanation for what occurred aboard Greyhound 1170.
“No explanation, no note, almost nothing verbal,” Ms. Dalmyn said. “There is nothing to indicate it's anything other than a random and unprovoked attack.”
Meanwhile, new details have emerged about how Mr. Li spent the 24 hours before Mr. McLean was killed, including that he spent a night on a public bench, sold a laptop to a teenager that contained personal letters and photos, as well as a note that expressed feelings of guilt at leaving China, and confusion about life in Canada.
Mr. Li first stepped off the Greyhound bus from Edmonton in the tiny western Manitoba town of Erickson, population 456, just before 6 p.m. last Tuesday, July 29.
He strode across the street from the convenience store, which doubles as a bus depot, carrying five pieces of luggage under his arms. He was wearing small black sunglasses, a green shirt and a hat, and looked perfectly put together, like a businessman, said Darren Beatty, a 15-year-old student who works at a local gas station.
“The whole time I seen him he never took off his sunglasses,” Mr. Beatty said.
He watched him sit down on a shaded wooden bench next to the Co-Op grocery on Main Street, arranging his bags around him and resting his arms as though he were sitting in an arm chair.
He didn't move for the next three hours.
Around 9 p.m., he walked into the M and M store, where David Dauphinais's husband Darren was working alone.
Mr. Li hung around for what felt like ages, making Darren extremely uncomfortable. He called his husband, saying he was afraid to walk home.
“He was really freaked out,” Mr. Dauphinais said. “He said there was something about this guy that made the hair on the back of his neck stand up.
“Darren's a treaty Indian. When Darren gets nervous about somebody, I listen.”
Mr. Dauphinais rushed back from a meeting, only to find that Mr. Li had left the store when another customer walked in.
That night neither could sleep, fretting about the mysterious stranger. Mr. Dauphinais got out of bed at 3 a.m. and went down to check on his store. He saw Mr. Li sitting across the street, bolt upright on the bench, eyes wide open.
The following morning, Mr. Beatty was riding his bike when he saw a laptop on the curb. The screen was open and a hand-written sign said “$600 for sale, or best offer.”
He circled on his bike, noted the brand-new Acer 4200, and approached Mr. Li.
He offered $100, then immediately lowered it to $50. Mr. Li contemplated for a moment.
“That's probably enough to get you a bus ticket,” Mr. Beatty said. They settled on $60, plus a bag.
“I just thought he was a guy having a hard time,” he said, adding he never felt threatened. “He seemed lost. As I was talking to him about [the laptop] he muttered something about America. He had a thick accent so it was hard to understand.
“He seemed really happy to get some money in his hand.”
Mr. Beatty brought the computer home, and, after returning to get the password from Mr. Li (it was 7777), he unwittingly opened a window on the world of a man who would soon become one of Canada's most notorious accused killers.
He found more than 20 resumes, each tailored to a specific job application. One was for a police service, one for McDonald's, one for Wal-Mart. He also found dozens of photos that he assumed were taken by Mr. Li, including several of a black military plane that he thought were taken by an amateur in mid-air. There were photos of a formal Chinese military parade, and others of Chinese models in clothes, and some of mountains in British Columbia.
There was a letter in Mandarin, translated with Google translator, which seemed to be addressed to someone back in China. It said he was happy to be free, living under beautiful, free skies, but that he felt guilty for leaving China, and that everything in Canada was not as he expected, Mr. Beatty said.
Mr. Li, who recently worked as a newspaper deliveryman, immigrated to Canada in 2001 under the federal skilled worker program, though it's not known whether it was Mr. Li or his wife Anna who qualified. He's believed to be a Canadian citizen.
On the morning after the attack, Mr. Beatty got a call from the RCMP at work, saying an incident had occurred involving the man who sold him his laptop. An officer visited his home and seized the computer, saying he might get restitution but wasn't likely to get the laptop back.
“I asked the cop, “Did he use my money to buy a weapon? But he said, ‘No, not that we know of,' ” Mr. Beatty said.
Mr. Li returned to the M and M store around 1:30 p.m. Mr. Dauphinais said he stood waiting in an alley behind the store for the next 41/2 hours for the bus to arrive.
Just before 6 p.m., he boarded the Greyhound in Erickson, not Brandon as several witnesses reported, and sat down near the front. After a cigarette break in Brandon, he moved to the back and sat next to Mr. McLean.
Court was told Tuesday that when he was arrested, Mr. Li was carrying a plastic bag containing a human nose, ear and part of a mouth, believed to be Mr. McLean's, and that police officers saw him hacking at and eating the corpse. During the ensuing standoff RCMP officers heard him say, “I have to stay on the bus forever.”
Mr. Li's next court appearance is Sept. 8.

[norriscooper]

Is the american flag the only one that can be flown by people?


Take a trip to Texas where they fly the Texas Flag and have Lone Stars plastered all over the place. Now that's "creepy."

[R12RTJohnny]

You yanks and your f---ing guns...when will you ever grow up?

+1

[norriscooper]

The general smiled and said..do you know who that old man is/ was? No he said, well he is the King of Norway!


I thought you were the King of Norway!
"It's good to be king"

Why do you need a king anyway?

[norriscooper]

You yanks and your f---ing guns...when will you ever grow up?

Tom,
Just in case you missed it, this murder took place in Canada --- with a knife.

[DanMartin]

Take a trip to Texas where they fly the Texas Flag and have Lone Stars plastered all over the place. Now that's "creepy."
That's OK Norris, you're a Yankee but we still love ya.

Dan

Houston, TX

[RTTommy]

To my brother Mr. Cooper,

With all due respect, I know where and how it happened. I also would like to add that I have no personal prejudice to anyone or your nation. Although most of my Canadian brothers and sistsers might not ever admit it, Canada is a very willing Annex of the United States. We are more than just culturally aligned we are melded right in. The US and Canada have always taken care of each other and I trust that relationship endures time immemorial. What ticks me off is the responses from south of the 49th parallel that guns are the answer to all problems. In fact your comment of "Wasn't anyone on the bus packing heat?" and some other recent threads and polls about carrying weapons on your bikes (Geezuz) IMHO illustrates and confirms to me the sad state of affairs south of the border and your cultural mindset of "shoot first, ask questions later". Obviously (based on my recent post quoting the Globe and Mail verbatim), the suspect has some definate issues and is not fit for society. I would suspect that the end result (based on our justice system) will have the guy in an institution for the rest of his natural life (unless he is extradited to China and only "the creator" knows what will happen to him there... he will probably be creamated and surface on your shores as some kind of toxic chemical in some Disney toy)...but I digress...Put down your weapons, live in peace and and quit (trying) to force the "world" to conform to your ideologies. Love ya :histerica

[KMC1]

To my brother Mr. Cooper,

With all due respect, I know where and how it happened. I also would like to add that I have no personal prejudice to anyone or your nation. Although most of my Canadian brothers and sistsers might not ever admit it, Canada is a very willing Annex of the United States. We are more than just culturally aligned we are melded right in. The US and Canada have always taken care of each other and I trust that relationship endures time immemorial. What ticks me off is the responses from south of the 49th parallel that guns are the answer to all problems. In fact your comment of "Wasn't anyone on the bus packing heat?" and some other recent threads and polls about carrying weapons on your bikes (Geezuz) IMHO illustrates and confirms to me the sad state of affairs south of the border and your cultural mindset of "shoot first, ask questions later". Obviously (based on my recent post quoting the Globe and Mail verbatim), the suspect has some definate issues and is not fit for society. I would suspect that the end result (based on our justice system) will have the guy in an institution for the rest of his natural life (unless he is extradited to China and only "the creator" knows what will happen to him there... he will probably be creamated and surface on your shores as some kind of toxic chemical in some Disney toy)...but I digress...Put down your weapons, live in peace and and quit (trying) to force the "world" to conform to your ideologies. Love ya :histerica


Why would it be "creepy" to see Canadian flags in Canada? Do you think that the only people entitled to fly a flag are the US? Is there something wrong with Canadians being proud of their country and their flag? Is the american flag the only one that can be flown by people?


Your post speaks volumes of your lack of knowledge of Canada and her people. I would most strongly suggest that before you issue criticism of another country that you first learn about it and it's people.

Just as a side note for you on my last trip to the US on the LT I flew both a Canadian flag and a US flag on my bike as a salute to both countries. I also support our troops overseas by displaying a support sticker.

Ken

Case in point.

Plus the fact that you think because I am critical of the negative attitudes I witnessed in Canada a few weeks ago, that I am somehow ignorant. Typical Liberal Ad-Hominem attack. If you can't discuss facts, it may as well get personal right? Bah.

As we can all see, outlawing guns works wonders........... :rolleyes:

Vancouver has a gun crime problem (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?k=19079&id=4b651ab1-e729-44a9-86d3-79a1ddc84689)

[KMC1]

You yanks and your f---ing guns...when will you ever grow up?
:confused:
Gun crime in Metro Vancouver highest per capita in Canada (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?k=19079&id=4b651ab1-e729-44a9-86d3-79a1ddc84689)

[RTTommy]

Here's the data:

International Comparisons

Dr. Ted Miller, National Public Services Research Institute examined the link between gun ownership rates and firearms death within Canadian provinces, the United States, England/Wales and Australia and concluded that 92% of the variance in death rates was explained by access to firearms in those areas. He suggested that a 1% increase (or decrease) in the percentage of households with guns in Canada would be associated with a 5.8% increase (or decrease) in the Canadian gun death rate.(T. Miller, M. Cohen. "Costs of Gunshot and Cut/Stab Wounds in the United States, with some Canadian Comparisons. " Accid Anal Prev 1997; 29 (3): 329-41.)
The international experience with firearms regulation and comparative mortality statistics tend to reinforce the thesis that there is a link between access to firearms and firearm death in industrialized countries, although there are issues around uniform reporting and other variables that must be addressed.

For example, a review of 13 countries showed that there was a strong correlation between gun ownership and both homicide with a gun and overall homicide rates (Killias excluded Northern Ireland from the analysis because of the level of civil unrest). In an analysis of 14 countries, the correlation between gun ownership and gun suicide was also significant, as was the correlation of gun ownership with overall suicide rates. Killias found no evidence of a compensation process whereby other means were substituted with firearms. (Killias, M. "International Correlations between Gun Ownership and Rate of Homicide and Suicide." Canadian Medical Association Journal. 1993;148 (10): 1721-5)

In another study, based on a standardized survey of victimization in fifty-four countries, gun ownership was significantly related to both the level of robberies and the level of sexual assaults. The relationship between levels of gun ownership and threats/assaults with a gun is also strong. Van Dijk also concluded that high levels of gun ownership such as in the USA, the former Yugoslavia, South Africa and several Latin American countries are strongly related to higher levels of violence generally.

Canada has always had stronger firearms regulation than the United States, particularly with respect to handguns. In Canada, handguns have been licensed and registered since the 1930’s, ownership of guns has never been regarded as a right and several court rulings have reaffirmed the right of the government to protect citizens from guns. Handgun ownership has been restricted to police, members of gun clubs or collectors. Very few (about 50 in the country) have been given permits to carry handguns for "self-protection." This is only possible if an applicant can prove that their life is in danger and the police cannot protect them.

As a result, Canada has roughly 1 million handguns while the United States has more than 76 million. While there are other factors affecting murder, suicide and unintentional injury rates, a comparison of data in Canada and the United States suggests that access to handguns may play a role. While the murder rate without guns in the US is roughly equivalent (1.8 times) to that of Canada, the murder rate with handguns is 14.5 times the Canadian rate. The costs of firearms death and injury in the two countries have been compared and estimated to be $495 (US) per resident in the United States compared to $195 per resident in Canada.




Year
Canada
US
US/CAN

Population
1998
30.2 m
270 m
8.9x

Number of All Firearms
1998
7.4 m
222 m
30x

Number of Handguns
1998
1.2 m (restricted firearms)
76 m
63.3x

Guns per capita
1997
.25
.82
3.3x




Firearms Death (Rate per 100,000)*
Canada
US
US/Can

Accidental deaths with Firearms
1998
0.2
0.3
1.5x

Suicides with Firearms
1998
3.4
6.4
1.9x

Total Firearms Deaths
1998
4.3
11.4
2.7x





Crime Statistics (Rate per 100,000) Canada
US
US/Can

Murders with Firearms 1998 0.5
4.4
7.9x

Murders with Handguns 1998 0.23
3.3
14.5x

Murders without Guns 1998 1.3
2.3
1.8x

Robberies with Guns 1998 18
63
3.5x

Roberries without Guns
1998
78
102
1.3x






Canada
US
Can/US

Overall Homicide rate per 100,000
1998
1.83
6.62
3.6x

% of homicides with firearms
1998
27.3%
66%
2.4x

% of firearm homicides with handguns
1998
46%
75%
1.6x


Statistics compiled from Centre for Justice Statistics; FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Data, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Statistics Canada Homicide Survey; Research and Statistics Division Department of Justice (Kwing Hung) June 2001

"dated data" but relevant nonetheless.

[norriscooper]

. In fact your comment of "Wasn't anyone on the bus packing heat?" and some other recent threads and polls about carrying weapons on your bikes (Geezuz) IMHO illustrates and confirms to me the sad state of affairs south of the border and your cultural mindset of "shoot first, ask questions later".

Tom,
I didn't know you folks weren't allowed to carry firearms.
Twice my dad flew his single engine Cessna to Alaska and in doing so he had to pass through Canada. Your government required him to pack heat. The revolver had to be in a sealed case and was inspected both coming and going. Those were the only times he ever carried a gun outside of hunting trips and WW II. I used to kid him about it, he took his 22, how the hell are you going to kill a bear with that!

Personally, I never leave home without my knife. I am a fer-shit-real cowboy, you never know when you might need to eat your horse! Not too many crazed Chinese in these parts but we do have carnie workers.

Shit now I got Texans (again), the King of Norway, and half of Canada mad at me!
BTW hockey is my favorite sport.
Now give me a great big hug.

P.S. could you put all those old stats in a pie chart for us please.

[cccpastorjack]

JOE FRIESEN
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
August 5, 2008 at 8:32 PM EDT
ERICKSON, MAN. — ....Around 9 p.m., he walked into the M and M store, where David Dauphinais's husband Darren was working alone.
Mr. Li hung around for what felt like ages, making Darren extremely uncomfortable. He called his husband, saying he was afraid to walk home.
“He was really freaked out,” Mr. Dauphinais said. “He said there was something about this guy that made the hair on the back of his neck stand up.
“Darren's a treaty Indian. When Darren gets nervous about somebody, I listen.”





Canada...oh Canada.... :(

[RTTommy]

Norris (yeah we are friends now, consider yourself hugged :D )

Here's the link to the data and charts you wanted.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Th...GunControl.html

(it's from a pro-gun control site :histerica ) I just love "stirrin the pot" with you "good ole boyz"


To the good brother PastorJack...I was hoping someone would pick-up on those statements... . I do believe (hoped) that this was possibly misquoted...leave it to the "clergy" to spot that one... nuff said DOH!

But hey, It's legal in "Californication" now isn't it?


Cheers!

[paalao]

To my brother Mr. Cooper,

With all due respect, I know where and how it happened. I also would like to add that I have no personal prejudice to anyone or your nation. Although most of my Canadian brothers and sistsers might not ever admit it, Canada is a very willing Annex of the United States. We are more than just culturally aligned we are melded right in. The US and Canada have always taken care of each other and I trust that relationship endures time immemorial. What ticks me off is the responses from south of the 49th parallel that guns are the answer to all problems. In fact your comment of "Wasn't anyone on the bus packing heat?" and some other recent threads and polls about carrying weapons on your bikes (Geezuz) IMHO illustrates and confirms to me the sad state of affairs south of the border and your cultural mindset of "shoot first, ask questions later". Obviously (based on my recent post quoting the Globe and Mail verbatim), the suspect has some definate issues and is not fit for society. I would suspect that the end result (based on our justice system) will have the guy in an institution for the rest of his natural life (unless he is extradited to China and only "the creator" knows what will happen to him there... he will probably be creamated and surface on your shores as some kind of toxic chemical in some Disney toy)...but I digress...Put down your weapons, live in peace and and quit (trying) to force the "world" to conform to your ideologies. Love ya :histerica

+ 1 :bmw: I am happy to see that my Canadian friends see this as I see it :)

Norris, When I was flying choppers in Canada, I was given the impression that it could be smart to bring a powerfull handgun with me when in the "outback" in case I was to emergency land and might have to fight of "predators" larger then me.

[norriscooper]

+ 1 :bmw: I am happy to see that my Canadian friends see this as I see it :)

Norris, When I was flying choppers in Canada, I was given the impression that it could be smart to bring a powerfull handgun with me when in the "outback" in case I was to emergency land and might have to fight of "predators" larger then me.

paalao,
I don't know what the gun laws are in Canada but I will point out again that my Dad was "required" to have side arm with him. Probably a good idea in the bush for many reasons.
All you anti-gun people out there think it is just a matter of going down to the local pawn shop, purchase a gun and holster, and stroll down the street.
Doesn't work that way. Lots of paperwork and classes before you can carry, unless you are a criminal!
Also note that we have thousands of knife laws in this country along with gun laws!

Here is a sample from Kansas
21-4201. Criminal use of weapons. (a) Criminal use of weapons is knowingly:

(1) Selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying any bludgeon, sandclub, metal knuckles or throwing star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade that opens or falls or is ejected into position by the force of gravity or by an outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(2) carrying concealed on one's person, or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, blackjack, slungshot, dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character, except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument;

(3) carrying on one's person or in any land, water or air vehicle, with intent to use the same unlawfully, a tear gas or smoke bomb or projector or any object containing a noxious liquid, gas or substance;

(4) carrying any pistol, revolver or other firearm concealed on one's person except when on the person's land or in the person's abode or fixed place of business;

[norriscooper]

Here's the link to the data and charts you wanted.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Th...GunControl.html

(it's from a pro-gun control site :histerica ) I just love "stirrin the pot" with you "good ole boyz"


Tom,
Your stirring the pot alright. I didn't know you had so much violent crime in Canada. None of it gets reported in the press this far south. The only thing that makes to new is about (aboot) your health care.
If it weren't for DaveDragon I would still be in the dark.
I guessing those people that observed Mr. Li and his strange behavior but didn't do anything about it, are having guilt feelings about now!

And let's get one thing straight, I am not a good ole boy, I am a redneck!

[bonafidebob]

On a lighter note...

Greyhound Canada is removing all ads that were part of a campaign related to "bus rage" in the wake of last week's horrific attack against a Greyhound passenger travelling from Edmonton to Winnipeg.

A spokesperson for Greyhound said the company is taking down billboards like this one that have been featured across the country since late 2007. The campaign featured the slogan, "There's a reason you've never heard of bus rage."

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2008/08/05/bus-rage-heather-bakken.jpg

Greyhound pulls 'Bus Rage' ads (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/05/greyhound-rage-ad.html?ref=rss)

[paalao]

I bought guns in NM and CO and both times I just showed my CO driving lisence and proof of residency and the good old greenback.
NM was a 22semi automatic rifle and CO was a brasilian Magnum 358.

I am glad the laws have changed for you :)

On the information you have to give when flying into the USA, there is a question saying: Are you a terrorist?

Making long definite roules about every kinds of wepons is not nessasary here.
Of course no one will say that they will use the gun for something illegal, but never the less, having it there so widely avilable is making some elligble to use it for something else then the intention of the law had when alowing it.
IMO.

Ownership

To own a weapon in Norway, one must document a use for the weapon. By far, the most common grounds for letting a civilian purchase and own a weapon is hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self defense, but the first is rare and the second reason is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.

There are special rules for collectors of weapons, they are exempt from many parts of the regulation. In turn, they must fit an even more narrow qualification to be accepted as a gun collector. Collectors may purchase, but not fire without permission, all kinds of weapons.

Ownership is regulated in paragraph 7, and responsibility for issuing a gun ownership license is given to the police authority in the applicant's district.

Rifle- and shotgun ownership permission can be given to «sober and responsible» persons 18 years or older. The applicant for the permission must document a need for the weapon. Two exemptions exist for the age qualification: persons under the age of 18, but over 16 may apply for rifle or shotgun ownership license with the consent of parents or guardian. For handguns the lowest ownership age is 21, no exceptions are allowed. For inherited weapons, it is up to the local police chief to make a decision based on the individual case facts.

The applicant must have a clean police record and no history of mental illness.

Obtaining a firearm

There are two ways of obtaining an ownership license in Norway. The most common is through the process of obtaining a hunting license, the other is through sports shooting.

For hunting

To obtain a hunting license, the applicant must complete a 30 hour, 9 session course and pass a written multiple choice exam with 80% fail rate. [2] The course includes firearm theory, firearm training, wildlife theory and environment protection training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

:)

[jayjacobson]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html
Good the insane man only had a knife, that way the others may escape. If he had a gun he may had killed as many as he had bullets!

IMO asking for people to "pack heat" is not the solution.
Finally a little logic brought to this discussion! I think the murder weapon was one of those EVIL "assault knives," also! Hell, I bet even the responding police were carrying TOO MANY bullets. WTF?! :confused:

It's just tradgic that someone's head got in the way of some poor, mentally handicapped guy's knife. And all you guys want the police to off this poor guy. You should be ashamed of yourselves! If it only took one guy's head to get this poor guy some help, it was well worth it, then!

Now, if this poor, mentally handicapped guy had been carrying a gun with LOTS OF BULLETS, well he could of just kissed his fat ass goodby! DOUBLE WTF?! :confused: :confused:
You yanks and your f---ing guns...when will you ever grow up?
Yeah! Exactly what I was thinking the last time I was being shot at!
....A spokesperson for Greyhound said the company is taking down billboards like this one that have been featured across the country since late 2007. The campaign featured the slogan, "There's a reason you've never heard of bus rage...."
OK, how about "millions of miles and no lost luggage and only ONE lost head?"
A little insensitive, you say? Try this: "knives are fine but leave your guns at home (and don't even f'k think of bring LOTS OF BULLETS on one of our buses)!"

[Wolfgang]

Take a trip to Texas where they fly the Texas Flag and have Lone Stars plastered all over the place. Now that's "creepy."

Creepy? What is wrong with being proud of your state? Having lived on and off in Texas since 1974 Texans are truly proud to be Texans and love their state. Displaying the flag and the Lone Star is part of that.

You call that creepy? Just to be sure I looked up the definition of "creepy"

Main Entry: creepy
Part of Speech: adjective
Synonyms: disgusting, eerie, ghoulish, macabre, nasty, ominous, scary, sinister, spooky

That surely does not define my adopted home state of Texas. The same thing is true for Canada. I have been there many times and had an office near Toronto for a while. Besides it being too cold for me a great place with great people. Politically they are almost as misguided as my friends and relatives in Germany. I love them anyway! :)

[KMC1]

So this is completely off the original topic, but it was really creepy to me that there were thousands of Maple Leafs flying in Nova Scotia. They were on cars, buses, buildings, people wearing them, banners flying them etc. I haven't been to Tejas, so can't comment on how many are flying there, but if there were as many as in Nova Scotia, it would be creepy there too in my opinion.

Have you ever read 1984? It's all VERY much like hate week or the two minutes hate - THAT's why it's creepy to me.

[Wolfgang]

So this is completely off the original topic, but it was really creepy to me that there were thousands of Maple Leafs flying in Nova Scotia. They were on cars, buses, buildings, people wearing them, banners flying them etc. I haven't been to Tejas, so can't comment on how many are flying there, but if there were as many as in Nova Scotia, it would be creepy there too in my opinion.

Have you ever read 1984? It's all VERY much like hate week or the two minutes hate - THAT's why it's creepy to me.

You need to visit Texas. I bet we can out Lone Star their Maple Leafs any day. :) And we are not just talking flags, banner, and flyers. We are talking permanent embossings on bridges and over passes, on private buildings, on belt buckles, furniture, you name it. I think it's all good. Nothing wrong with pride in your state and heritage in a time were every city and highway starts looking the same.

[norriscooper]

Creepy? What is wrong with being proud of your state? Having lived on and off in Texas since 1974 Texans are truly proud to be Texans and love their state. Displaying the flag and the Lone Star is part of that.


Wolfgang,
"Creepy" was KMC1s word. I was just makin's a point. Before you go all Walker, Texas Ranger on me you should know that Texas is my favorite state, especially the southwestern part! My Dad was a cattle buyer and I have seen most of it, many places that even your average Texan has not seen. If given the chance I would move there in a heart beat, that is if you will have me!

[KMC1]

Wolfgang,
"Creepy" was KMC1s word. I was just makin's a point. Before you go all Walker, Texas Ranger on me
:histerica :histerica :histerica
LMAO!!!!!!! OH MAN, I'm going to have to pre-treat my shirt before I wash it now!