Next Gen LT...what would YOU like to see?

[Shriker]

I know we have all read the rumors of what will or will not be a possible next generation K LT. I firmly believe BMW is ready to release a really amazing touring bike for this next generation , given all of the changes and improvements across the board on ALL of the other models.

What would YOU like to see in a new LT?

I dont think they are going to use the current K bike platform with its forward canted 4 cylinder engine.... I think they are going to use a unique setup . I hope it will be either a flat six (a la Wing) or a V6. I would think single overhead cam with four valves per would keep the head narrow. I would also think they could employ variable valve timing . Hydraulic lifters would be nice so you dont have to do valve adjustments and an improved fuel injection system would be a must , maybe even with some sort of variable intake system to improve low end power . At least 1500cc would be nice as well. No reason it shouldnt be rated around 135+ hp (engine, ~120+ at the tire) with as much or more torque . Must be smoooooooth....oh and please make the throttle adjustable so you can get comfy with it.

Keep weight under 900lbs fully fueled (preferably at or less than the current 860). Give us a normal ABS braking system (that will save on cost , complexity and weight) with separate front and rear brakes that just work. Keep good handling a priority with good ground clearance but improve low speed handling with lower center of gravity as much as possible. Must be sportier than a Wing , that is what BMWs are about .

Love all of the current features , so keep them or improve them. Need much better headlights (Wing is GREAT here currently). MP3/4 capable , make CD changer optional - nobody uses them much any more...plug in the ole IPod. Get someone to make decent TIRES for the bike!

A much easier to use ignition/security system. ONE Fob so when you are within so many feet (say 4) you can just push button start the bike and on a display you can see any security alerts etc. Keep single sided swingarm.

She needs to remain as adjustable as possible so many types of folks can find comfort. Keep the built in roll bars so if she falls , nothing gets hurt..

Innovations? Hmm variable valve timing/intake/exhaust and maybe even cylinder shutdown tech to improve power emmissions and mpg...this is ALL common auto stuff. Tire pressure sensors , very useful on a big tourer . Havent read too much good stuff about Yamaha's clutchless FJR so that may not be ready yet......but a good system like it would potentially be really good for a large touring bike....lot of bugs in Yammy's system still though. Another thought would be a TURBO 4 cylinder ......

Anyway .....just wondering what your thoughts are on what you would like to see as we get closer to potentially seeing what is up BMWs proverbial sleeve..... :bmw:

[bob_menton]

She should weigh at least 200 lbs. less than you've indicated. And have air conditioning. Can't let the new Wing get ahead of us.

- Bob

[DavidTaylor]

1500 - 1800cc 6 or a beefed up version of the current K12 platform
150-200 lbs less weight
At least 7 gallon fuel cell (preferably 7.5 - 8)
Same integrated bits as now (saddlebags, topcase, radio, comm system, heated stuff, cruise, etc.)
ESA
XM Satellite integrated into system
Drop the CD changer
HID from factory
6 speed tranny
Manual centerstand (optional powered unit)
Go back to the J&M Comm system for intercom and drop the VOICE II and it's children
More tire choices, either through deals with manufacturers or via bike weight and load rating being managed to use more options already on the market


That's what comes to mind initially.

[messenger13]

I hope the new LT comes with a GINORMOUS block of cheese . . .

. . . to go with the whining I'll be reading due to all the unmet expectations. :p



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[Woolly]

I hope the new LT comes with a GINORMOUS block of cheese . . .

. . . to go with the whining I'll be reading due to all the unmet expectations. :p


I'd go with that, depending on what type of cheese it is

[grifscoots]

I like cheese. Can we have crackers, too?

[Shaftywon]

I think the motorcycles appearance is perfect no need to change anything visually. Better driver seat, passenger seat is OK with my wife except for the hight of the seat catches some wind. A little more power or a gearing change in the bottom end would be nice I have never nor ever will I use all the top end power this bike has never been over 85 miles an hour for long. A clutch that does'nt empty your wallet when it goes out nor requires the bike to be nearly taken halfway apart. better final drive design if this is as big a problem as I've heard about on this site. I personally have not lost a final drive yet but the clutch issue I have experienced. Last of all at least 100 lbs. lighter and a lower center of gravity.

[gglove]

First of all I really like cheese :D
I am one of the minority that does not think the bike is to heavy.
I am newer to the site but the talk and speculation about the next generation seems to be all over the place. One day they are going to get out of the market, the next they are making expansive modifications.
Just my observations.

[djfalkenstein]

Personally, I would be happy with a tool kit. I had a tool kit on my previous bikes. $22,000 and no tool kit? What idiot figured that as a good thing?

CD's are so yesterday; put a damn MP3 in it with an SD card slot and call it good.

More horses. I like the ponies.

Floorboards.

Built-in GPS.

BMW: Are you listening?

[DanMartin]

ESA, the J&M intercom

otherwise, the price will be too high.
It's more bike than I know what to do with now.

dan

[bblalock]

Dan,
I'm with you on the ESA. Change the first gear to a bit lower and save the rest. It's a touring bike. If you want to go really fast, add some stuff to the GT but leave the LT alone!
Just my .02

[Shriker]

Some good suggestions , I totally forgot about electronic suspension adjust some of the other new models are sporting ....I am sure the LT would have an improved version.

As much as I would love for the bike to be much lighter I dont think it will be possible while going to a larger engined better equipped machine , even with lighter materials and better technology these days. Weight can be deceptive as well.....many larger machines feel much lighter then they are (like our LT's). Honda is notorius for bikes that feel much better than their numbers say they should. :bmw:

[Stoker100]

The bike as it is, plus
#1 more horse power
My last bike was a VMAX
would love more low end, mid, and high end!

#2 As reliable as a honda
I haven't really had any issues but thinking about all of them, and doing preventitive steps, new throttle cables, messing with ABS flashing lights, makes me miss that atribute of the japanese bikes, low maint!

lighter would be good, but would give that up if I had to give up something
Everything else I can live with or modify to my unique liking


larry
That's it for me

[DavidTaylor]

Some good suggestions , I totally forgot about electronic suspension adjust some of the other new models are sporting ....I am sure the LT would have an improved version.

As much as I would love for the bike to be much lighter I dont think it will be possible while going to a larger engined better equipped machine , even with lighter materials and better technology these days. Weight can be deceptive as well.....many larger machines feel much lighter then they are (like our LT's). Honda is notorius for bikes that feel much better than their numbers say they should. :bmw:

Sportbikes have been getting more powerful and lighter year over year for the last decade or so. MotoGP bike make upwards of 250 HP and weigh around 320 pounds. BMW has been increasing power and displacement and reducing weight across the line with the R1200 bikes while maintaining and/or increasing maximum load capacity for the bikes. Given that I see no reason not to expect a lighter and more powerful LT.

[DavidTaylor]

I hope the new LT comes with a GINORMOUS block of cheese . . .

. . . to go with the whining I'll be reading due to all the unmet expectations. :p



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A nice smoked Gouda or havarti with mine please!!! :D

[hornblower]

Put a 5 cyl inline motor in it (ala Audi GT) IF they cant pump up the current one a bit.
Change Gearing for 1st at the very least.dont need to go 60 in 1st!
Better Lights
Drop the CD, go for MP3/ipod
Loose some Weight,but keep the same Style.

That's it for me.

[axamax]

I'd rather keep the current engine/power with the current fuel consumption..
I had a Goldwing a while back and couldn't put up with the MPG and tank range. 33mpg UK (28MpgUS)/ 160mile range. Not good enough

Definitely keep the hydraulic stand. It will make the difference with my back injuries.

Improve the final drive reliability. Roller bearing ?

HID as standard on both beams.

Good quality Driving Lights as standard.

Provide cables to plug in MP3, XM etc Possibly an adapter that fits onto the CD Changer lead so you can still control from the top.

Rear FOG lights. Cars in the UK have had them since Nov 79.

Wiring pre-run for a trailer.

Foldable or hidden antenna(s)

[Heracleitus]

. . . #1 more horse power
My last bike was a VMAX
would love more low end, mid, and high end!. . .

larry
That's it for me

I've been considering buying a new VMAX as my 1-up bike. What made you get rid of yours?

As for my wishes for the new LT. More torque, HID for both high and low. Lower CG would be nice, but isn't a deal breaker. If the seat isn't made more comfortable, then don't change it at all so I can move my Corbin over.

And, Joe, I prefer a nice jung Gouda over Swiss. Nothing better than sliced/cubed Gouda with a slightly chilled Riesling Auslese!

[c00k1e]

Edam

More power, in Europe, 100mph is not enough on the autobhans to keep up!
Less chromey plastic
easy tranny oil change
obviously a better final drive
less gadgets to go wrong. I can fix most stuff now, but electrics will be a pain, dont put a GPS on it, then you are stuck with whatever quality GPS you are given. I wont buy a new one at the moment due to the electric center stand (and being skint!!)

[Steve_R]

You're list is good Dave, but you got the wrong satellite radio, Sirius should be the unit of choice. :p :D

[Steve_R]

Floorboards as an option please. I like pegs.

[DavidTaylor]

You're list is good Dave, but you got the wrong satellite radio, Sirius should be the unit of choice. :p :D

How about a pluggable module that lets you enable either? That way you can continue to help pay Howard Stern's salary, and I can avoid him like the plague! :D

So, how's the new Mauve Monster?? Or is the Purple People Eater?? Just trying to help with the naming process. :)

[Shriker]

Hmmm.....more interesting ideas.....I never really thought about it this way but there are advantages to both sides - some folks want all the gadgets so they dont have to mess with getting them separately and making it work . Other folks WANT to have the choice of say which GPS they want or to upgrade so it would be nice to have the bike totally set up for all the goodies but you can buy them and easily plug them up to an integrated package.....

Maybe make that optional?.......

I am really gettin hungry with all the CHEESE in this thread..... :bmw:

[2002redrider]

1) More HP, say 130 real HP.
2) Better headlights
3) Ditch the CD, add MP3 capability and sat ready (your choice of flavor-it can be a plug in module as it is in my car)
4) Fix the final drive reliability issue

[hmmmm90s]

Better integration/testing and vendor management/QA processes that makes sure the "bike-as-built" is as good as the "bike-as-designed".

Long-term reliability has NO substitute - there is no reason that BMW cannot build a vehicle that has the same type of in-service failure numbers as a honda, kawasaki, nissan or toyota.

Better engineering, testing and QA would have ever kept items like final drive, ABS and clutch slave and other seal failures from becoming the safety concern and cost items that they are. I've had 2 LTs with a total of @ 80,000 miles - I locked a wheel during a final drive failure, and was nearly T-boned when a slave failed and i couldn't get the bike out of gear. And lets not speak of a $2000 ABS failure (dealer wanted $2,800+) on a well-maintained 7 year old bike with only a $8-9,000 book value.

None of these technologies are leading edge - only the basics of doing good engineering, testing and quality assurance can explain how a premium bike can have less-than-premium performance.

BMW designs bikes with no peer. Now I'd like for them to actually manufacture THAT bike.

...then, while they're at it, they can:
-make premium suspension components a factory option
-give us lighting that works -don't care what form it takes - even ducati designs halogen projectors made the stock setup look feeble

[Bob204bc]

If we consider BMW's most recent designs we can expect a much lighter bike with a 1 or 2 cylinder engine, all surface tires, spoked rims with innertubes. It will be designed for a rider with a 36" inseam and a 32" waist. Oh yes, and a price in the mid 20's.

I have a great deal of faith in the current management and product planners at BMW.

[Briantime]

Well, what the heck...maybe someone from BMW will take these suggestions to heart ;)

Here's what I would like to see...

1. More torque. I'm fine with the current available horsepower. It just needs more on the bottom end.

2. Low speed handling. It has not been a huge issue for me, but it makes me more nervous that I should have to be when I'm having fun.

3. Mp3 solution. An ipod adapter with radio control of the ipod would be perfect for me and many others with ipods.

4. HID should be standard.

5. One more voice to the chourus...reliability. My bike has not been trouble prone, but it doesn't take a genius to see that thse bikes are not as reliable as they should be. There have been much more poorly designed motorcycles with much better reliability. This part for me is non-negotiable if BMW wants me to keep coming back.

That's about all I need :D

[cfmpilot]

Lower center of gravity and a six speed tranny.

[Stoker100]

Kick butt straight line performer. Drag light to light, straight line top end with most of them, but corners HORRIBLE!
That's why I got rid of it.
Would go with a 1200 bandit for one up reliable, low cost fun.
Or a k1200S
Not as cool looking as the VMAX though. Amazing how a 10 year old bike can still be so cool
You can also buy bolt on superchargers, nitros, etc from MAD MAX, very cool!
then when you blow up the stock engine, they can put one togther that can take the juice!

larry

[Ride2Hide]

I'm new to the BMW Luxury Touring Forum and just finished reading the many changes many of you would like to see on the LT. Let me say that I just purchased a new 2008 LT and have to agree with many of you. I realized at the time of purchase the bike has been around a while and the power and technology needs a little upgrade. My only other choice was the Gold Wing, which I researched and drove before making my decision. With all the positive articles written about the Honda, I was surprised when I enjoyed the the ride of the BMW that much more. I must admit that I've questioned my recent decision a bit after reading the many comments. I'm starting to wonder if I should of waited for the elusive new LT or the newer Gold Wing out in September of 08.

I'm a former owner of an 05 RT and had nothing but praise for the bike and the dealership I dealt with. I was confused for a while, selling the RT and jumping on a Triumph Speed Triple. I experienced exhilaration and fear, loving every moment. Unfortunately, having two bikes would not work in my household and the wonderful person in my life wanted to share in my riding experiences. The Triumph was sold and replaced with the Kawasaki Concourse 14. I thought I could still hold onto a power punch with a backseat at a reasonable price. At 50 miles, the bike developed a coolant leak (Head Gasket replacement), starter motor problems at 150 miles and inop. tire pressure sensor. Kawasaki Corp. was terrible and the dealership was not much better.
I'm back, and was feeling pretty good about my recent decision until reading the many comments. I think I need to read less and ride more. The LT is very comfortable and currently has more features than I need. If a new LT is on the horizon, I'm sure I'll look. One thing for sure, ...... glad to be back on a BMW.

[Ted Shred]

I think I need to read less and ride more. The LT is very comfortable and currently has more features than I need. If a new LT is on the horizon, I'm sure I'll look.

Go ride for sure. We won't see a new LT for a couple more years.

Congrats on the new bike. You are going to love it:)

[Colyn]

Interesting suggestions ...

1. Here is ZA the new LT's are coming in with Xenon Lights and PEGS for the pillion. So that already fixes two requests I saw here.

From my information the current LT will go out of production in August 2008. Main reason is that it is the only bike left in the stable with the current engine and production of the low volume motors is not viable any longer.

I have also heard that there is a new tourer earmarked for this year tat will be basically a K engine with RT ergonomics.

I agree with ditching that CD player ... it is expensive and useless and it took me only one trip to convince me that the packing space is worth much more than the shuttle.

I agree wit the iPod Connection ... satellite radios is not hot in my country so I have no comment on that.

Although a better topend would be fun it is also true that a big luxury tourer is not made to run with the sports bikes ;) ... it is heavy and if things goes south for you there will usually not be enough road available to calm the bike down.

I hope to get some more information in about 14 days time ... there is a Managers Conference in Portugal that starts on Monday. I am in the process to sell my 2005 LT and would really be disturbed if a new bigger LT is on the cards for September :)

In general I am very happy with the bike and I have heard rumours of a 1800 cc V6 with the power takeoff in the middle of the crank ala F1 motor. This could very well be something that is more than a rumour with the rumoured RT style one as a gap stop while the new LT is in development.

It would be so cool if they go for the V6 but then I would hope the redesign the body trim to actually allow us some visual pleasure by showing a bit of the engine. ;)

I love my LT to pieces, curse the weight when in constricted spaces but sing it's praises when the open road stretches out in front of me.

The ESA surely is a MUST HAVE.

[Lumpy]

The NEW LT should come with a spare final drive.

[bflemingor]

I really like my '06 - I agree with the power vs economy. This is a touring bike, and I ride in the WEST - read "a really long distance between gas stations!!!"

Driver floorboards as an option is a plus. I have XM on my car & never use it, so the MP3/iPod option (which I have), is a big plus.

The old foot vents from my GL1500 would be nice.

Integrate the GPS into the dash somewhere - It takes too much real estate now.

Put an easy access pocket (AKA: Ultraglide) into the tupperware, so you don't need a tank bag for a camera or phone.

Make the top case an option - offer something like Corbin's case or the FW rack as an alternative.

Just my $0.02. I rarely ride two up. I never ride 2 up on long trips. I never wear a full face helmet, and have never used the intercom. Couple this with my total dislike for sport bikes (no room & poor position).

Finally - I know I'm a 5%er, at 6'4" & 270#, but DO NOT follow Honda's lead to make a bike for short drivers with stout SO's. I love the tall LT.

[bflemingor]

Must be getting OLD! Forgot my #1 peeve!

Fold down antenna! At least make it swappable with the GL's!!

[whenisell]

I stopped by my local BMW dealer today to ask about the next LT. The salesman who sold me my 03 LT said that he expected the new LT in 09 probably as an 2010 model. He said he would take a deposit and I would be the first on the list. I think I will do that. My 03 LT is still a great bike but I would like a different 2010. Here is what I would like:

1. A lighter bike. We toured in Idaho and Montana this summer on our Ducati ST3. The ST3 weighs 390 lbs, and has 106 HP and it a great ride. Of course we gave up a lot of creature comforts to use the Ducati, and I wouldn't want to do one of those 1,000 mile Interstate highway burners on it like we do on the LT.

2. A lower center of gravity. I just bought an 08 Victory Vision in December of 07. While it weighs as much as my LT it has a really low center of gravity and that makes a great difference in low speed handling. It also has an Ipod interface that I like. We are planning an 1,800 mile loop in June on it and I will see how it stacks up against the LT (I have made the same trip on the LT a number of times).

3. I would like a more durable bike than my 03 LT. My touring bike prior to the LT as a Yamaha Venture. That bike was a solid ride. I rode it for fifteen years and the engine and transmission never needed any major surgery. My 03 LT has had more major mechanical work than any bike I have owned. I still love the LT, but it is like a piece of delicate china that you have handle carefully or you will break it.

Whatever, I think I will gamble on the new LT whatever it turns out to be. I will make my deposit in the next few months.

[Jerrym]

I stopped by my local BMW dealer today to ask about the next LT. The salesman who sold me my 03 LT said that he expected the new LT in 09 probably as an 2010 model. He said he would take a deposit and I would be the first on the list. I think I will do that. My 03 LT is still a great bike but I would like a different 2010. Here is what I would like:

1. A lighter bike. We toured in Idaho and Montana this summer on our Ducati ST3. The ST3 weighs 390 lbs, and has 106 HP and it a great ride. Of course we gave up a lot of creature comforts to use the Ducati, and I wouldn't want to do one of those 1,000 mile Interstate highway burners on it like we do on the LT.

2. A lower center of gravity. I just bought an 08 Victory Vision in December of 07. While it weighs as much as my LT it has a really low center of gravity and that makes a great difference in low speed handling. It also has an Ipod interface that I like. We are planning an 1,800 mile loop in June on it and I will see how it stacks up against the LT (I have made the same trip on the LT a number of times).

3. I would like a more durable bike than my 03 LT. My touring bike prior to the LT as a Yamaha Venture. That bike was a solid ride. I rode it for fifteen years and the engine and transmission never needed any major surgery. My 03 LT has had more major mechanical work than any bike I have owned. I still love the LT, but it is like a piece of delicate china that you have handle carefully or you will break it.

Whatever, I think I will gamble on the new LT whatever it turns out to be. I will make my deposit in the next few months.

I am sure I would not put money down on a bike I have never seen. There has been so many rumors out about a new LT. No more than they sell I can not see BMW producing a new LT. If they do I am sure there will not be a waiting list in getting one. I do not know of any BMW model hard to get.

[gelandestrasse]

XM Satellite integrated into system


That's what comes to mind initially.
Sirius or Sirius compatible, or don't bother with satellite radio at all. I don't want XM. :deal:

[cfell]

So... is the LT really getting canned?

[meese]

I have also heard that there is a new tourer earmarked for this year tat will be basically a K engine with RT ergonomics.http://www.k-bikes.com/forums/images/smilies/drool.gif

Do keep us informed . . .

[meese]

They already make a 6-cylinder torque monster tourer - it's called a 'Wing. No, thanks.

I can't see BMW producing a special motor just for the LT. It's not their style, plus they're not a big enough manufacturer nor does the LT sell enough units to support those kinds of engineering and manufacturing costs.

Besides, the current slant/4 motor already produces more torque than the old flying brick, so imagine what they could do if they tuned it specifically for a Luxury Tourer platform. http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

So bump up the HP and torque, update the body style to match BMW's new floating panel designs (you know they will whether you like it or not), and lose 100-150 lbs. Then add ESA and Duolever suspension with premium shocks. Sort out the electronic integration much better (iPod plug, working CB & intercom, satellite radio options, GPS integration (with option to upgrade when better units come out)), but don't forget to get the basics to work right. That includes actually meeting BMW's reputation for premium reliability on all components. And give us decent lighting from the factory, with HID coupled to a cutting-edge reflector at the very least.

And try to keep the price reasonable, though that may be tough with all the requested improvements and the rapidly descending dollar.

Oh, and find some awesome new colors for it as well. Getting kind of tired of black, blue, and silver. :)

[whenisell]

I am sure I would not put money down on a bike I have never seen.

A motorcycle is not an investment -- it is a luxury toy most of the time. I have ridden BMW's for 31 years out of my 55 year riding career (so far). I want a next generation LT --just because. I am not a BMW chauvinist -- I like a lot of brands of motorcycles. I think every rider should own at least one Ducati in their life. There are a lot of neat bikes I would like to own -- but there are practical limits (or so my friends tell me). As to the deposit I have a really good dealer and I trust him.

[cccpastorjack]

Here's a picture of the new LT...what it does and will look like:

[Jerrym]

Here's a picture of the new LT...what it does and will look like:

You are probably right it will be the next LT with a few more options. If I was a little younger and into a sport touring bikes it would be the bike I would have. It sets up a little to high for me and I do like the heavier bikes. The LT was never to heavy or top heavy for me. I will always like the BMW LT it is just all the problems they have and BMW will not do anything about them. I have a new 2008 Gold Wing and like it real will but it is not a BMW. I am on the GL1800 web site but I always come back to this web site and probably always will. The GL1800 web site in no way compares to this web site. I do not always agree with everyone on this site but I have never found a site that is anymore helpful than this one.

[Lynn_Keen]

My pet peeve is the location of the rear view mirrors. They do a great job of directing the air flow away from my hands but are poor at providing rear vision. I hate having to direct my vision completely away from my path of travel to look in the mirror. And even then when I do about half of the mirror gives me a great view of my fist on the grip.

[messenger13]

Here's a picture of the new LT...what it does and will look like:Yepperz Jack. I keep saying that BMW doesn't need to look very far to redesign the LT. Just take the current GT and relax the riding pegs a bit, and pull the handlebars back. (You know ... for the older riders, like Meese! ;)) Add an onboard stereo with PNP mp3 integration and a full-blown intercom system and it's a done deal.

Oh . . . and BMW don't forget BlueTooth EVERYTHING!!! :)

[DavidTaylor]

Yepperz Jack. I keep saying that BMW doesn't need to look very far to redesign the LT. Just take the current GT and relax the riding pegs a bit, and pull the handlebars back. (You know ... for the older riders, like Meese! ;)) Add an onboard stereo with PNP mp3 integration and a full-blown intercom system and it's a done deal.

Oh . . . and BMW don't forget BlueTooth EVERYTHING!!! :)

I would be perfectly happy with that. The only other thing I would think they would need to do is integrate the saddlebags and include a trunk with a passenger backrest. Those are pretty much givens on luxury touring machines so I think needed to truly give "LT" status to the next gen. And yes, I know the K100 and K1100 LTs did not have integrated bags. They also looked like a collection of Saltine boxes wrapped around an engine and spongy brakes. :D

Also, I'm not sure about Bluetooth everything, especially the output to the helmet. Until they get the power management to a level where you can have a reasonably small and lightweight rechargeable power supply mounted to the helmet that can provide 10-12 hours of usage, an easily swappable battery and some form of on-bike recharging I will stick with a cabled headset and speakers in my lid. If I have to run a power cable to my helmet just to keep the BT headset charged for a full day of riding what's the point, I'm still tethered to the bike so I should just use an "old school" headset. The best I've seen from any BT headset for a helmet is 4-6 hours of normal usage. That won't get a lot of folks past lunch!

[messenger13]

Also, I'm not sure about Bluetooth everything, especially the output to the helmet. Until they get the power management to a level where you can have a reasonably small and lightweight rechargeable power supply mounted to the helmet that can provide 10-12 hours of usage, ... [snip] ... The best I've seen from any BT headset for a helmet is 4-6 hours of normal usage. That won't get a lot of folks past lunch!Two of the new BT helmets modules that I'm currently looking at both boast 20 HOURS :eek: of battery time under continuous use (music). And one of them has a replaceable battery if 20 hours isn't enough.

BT is growing at an extemely fast rate Mr. Taylor. By the time the "new" LT is released it will be quite mature technology. ;)

[Woolly]

Love my music, love my bikes, love music when I'm riding bikes, hate speakers in my helmet (or ears) when riding. I like to lsten to bike, road, surroundings - can only do that with LT type sound system.

[bflemingor]

If anything close to the GT becomes the new LT, I'll be going back to a Hardley Davits rider.....

[grifscoots]

If anything close to the GT becomes the new LT, I'll be going back to a Hardley Davits rider.....It's a stonking motor that runs like stink, pulls even harder and rides corners like it was on rails. If they change the fairing, etc, what do you see as the problem?

[Steve_R]

Do think it might be the lack of curves like the current LT? Maybe he wouldn't like riding a bike that looks like "Twiggy".

[messenger13]

The LT only looks "great" as long as you own one. Once you get away from it for awhile (and stop drinking the LT Kool-Aid ;)), other bikes start looking a LOT more appealing ... like the new GT. Don't get me wrong, I still think the LT is a sharp bike. But now, it looks dated and bulbous to me. BMW needs to revamp it's design. And I can guarantee that a LOT of current LT owners are not going to like it once released.

[cccpastorjack]

I would agree that the new LT (if one is produced - and I think it will be) will not be nearly as "curvy" as the old one. Most of BMW's new stuff if more "angular" -- keeping up with the times.

It is a matter of personal taste for sure, but I, for one LOVE the new GT compared to the older one (and it was one of the prettiest bikes I've ever seen), but the new GT is the best looking sport tourer made right now IMHO...by far! When I saw one, I knew I would own one in a matter of time. The new LT will be sure to follow suit...guarantee you! You boys better get ready for a more "angular" LT!!!

And...if it is produced, it will be pricey, but will be the undisputed Luxury Touring champion for sure!

[taylorjn]

I LOVE my 07!! Needs mp3/iPod integration, adjustable suspension, put the GPS mount back over the dash where it belongs (and I can SEE it). KEEP the brakes just like they are on the 07! Keep the power centerstand. Headlite is fine, upgrade the high beam to match.

my $.02

[BecketMa]

I plan on riding my LT until it costs more to fix it than it would cost to buy a new one.

Bob 00LT

[Jerrym]

I do not believe anyone that wants a touring bike is going to purchase a GT. Sport Touring yes but not a touring bike. That is why I had two LT's and and put over 95,000 miles on them in four and half years. I purchased a new Gold Wing because I believe it is the only bike that competes with the LT. If BMW replaces the LT and it is a revamped GT people that really want a touring bike are not going to like it. The GT does not appeal to me at all. A lot us are not speed riders we like long distance touring. From March to November I rode 26,000 miles and it was mostly touring out west. I ride a lot of 700 to 800 mile days. I am not one that cares how fast you can take a corner or how far you can lay a bike over. If you can cruse 75 to 80 mile an hour all day and be comfortable that is what I want. The LT was a great bike for that if it was more reliable. I am sure there are a lot of people on this web site that feel the same except they do not want a Gold Wing and will continue to ride their LT's. A year ago I was the same way but I enjoy riding so much that it is not the brand of bike you ride it is the enjoyment you get. It was not enjoyable worrying about the bike breaking down. Ten years ago I stopped riding Harley Davidson because they were not reliable. To me they would not have to make any changes on the LT just make it as reliable as a Gold Wing and I would still be riding one.

[grifscoots]

Hey Jerry, I quit riding Harley because the long days were crippling my wife. Now that she doesn't care to ride anymore, the GT fits it for me. I can do 1,000 mile days in comfort and rip the ever loving snot out of the tweesties when I get there.

Each to their own, I'm just curious if folks would buy an LT style bike (read touring) with the new 4 in it. I do know in it's present tune, minus the 200lbs of the LT that I'm getting 42mpg. And that is not behaving myself. My bike is no stranger to bouncing off the rev limiter.

ESA will have to be a must on the new LT. I know I don't want another bike without it. Amazingly good stuff.

[DavidTaylor]

Two of the new BT helmets modules that I'm currently looking at both boast 20 HOURS :eek: of battery time under continuous use (music). And one of them has a replaceable battery if 20 hours isn't enough.

BT is growing at an extemely fast rate Mr. Taylor. By the time the "new" LT is released it will be quite mature technology. ;)

You don't have to tell me, I've been working on products that use BT extensively for the last 4-5 years. I'm all for the technology, it's the power management and feasible application to motorcycling I want to see them prove out. If they get it right I'm there.

[DavidTaylor]

I do not believe anyone that wants a touring bike is going to purchase a GT. Sport Touring yes but not a touring bike. That is why I had two LT's and and put over 95,000 miles on them in four and half years. I purchased a new Gold Wing because I believe it is the only bike that competes with the LT. If BMW replaces the LT and it is a revamped GT people that really want a touring bike are not going to like it. The GT does not appeal to me at all. A lot us are not speed riders we like long distance touring. From March to November I rode 26,000 miles and it was mostly touring out west. I ride a lot of 700 to 800 mile days. I am not one that cares how fast you can take a corner or how far you can lay a bike over. If you can cruse 75 to 80 mile an hour all day and be comfortable that is what I want. The LT was a great bike for that if it was more reliable. I am sure there are a lot of people on this web site that feel the same except they do not want a Gold Wing and will continue to ride their LT's. A year ago I was the same way but I enjoy riding so much that it is not the brand of bike you ride it is the enjoyment you get. It was not enjoyable worrying about the bike breaking down. Ten years ago I stopped riding Harley Davidson because they were not reliable. To me they would not have to make any changes on the LT just make it as reliable as a Gold Wing and I would still be riding one.

Sorry, but your arguments aren't making sense to me. You sound like you're poo-pooing the GT becuse it has the "potential" to go fast, and praising the LT because it has the "potential" for touring. So what? I know guys who do 1000 mile days on the GT regularly. I know guys who do track days on LTs, and I've taken my LT through corners with the pegs brushing the ground at triple digit speeds on more than one occasion. So, by making these two factual statements does your opinion swing 180 degrees? Probably not. And why? Because it's not about the bikes' potential, it's about what you like, what you're comfortable riding (from a style, ergonomics, and other perspectives), and what you want to do with the machine. Sorry, but the number of people who have moved the the GT from the LT and are still touring extensively are proving you wrong. I'm probably soon to be one of them, too.

[meese]

Here's a picture of the new LT...what it does and will look like:Sorry, but no. The GT is certainly no LT, with all the good and bad that implies. I love my GT and wouldn't trade it even for a brand-new LT but I still miss the supreme comfort of the LT, as does my wife.

Just take the current GT and relax the riding pegs a bit, and pull the handlebars back.The only other thing I would think they would need to do is integrate the saddlebags and include a trunk with a passenger backrest.It'll happen, along with a larger fairing and more integrated electronics. Just look at the evolution of the K12RS into the K12LT. BMW definitely has more plans for the slant/4 platform. I guess we'll all find out by '09.

I know guys who do 1000 mile days on the GT regularly. I know guys who do track days on LTs, and I've taken my LT through corners with the pegs brushing the ground at triple digit speeds on more than one occasion. . . . Sorry, but the number of people who have moved the the GT from the LT and are still touring extensively are proving you wrongCheck, check, check, and check. Do I win a prize? :D

Because it's not about the bikes' potential, it's about what you like, what you're comfortable riding (from a style, ergonomics, and other perspectives), and what you want to do with the machine.That just about nails it. Good thing we all have lots of choices. :)

[meese]

Two of the new BT helmets modules that I'm currently looking at both boast 20 HOURS :eek: of battery time under continuous use (music).That's almost enough. :) Can either of these units be charged from the bike, or do they require a wall plug?

[bibleman]

It's a stonking motor that runs like stink, pulls even harder and rides corners like it was on rails. If they change the fairing, etc, what do you see as the problem?

Grif, it "pulls like stink" as long as you have the revs up in the 6k range and above. For a Luxury Tourer, this makes it what my wife describes accurately as "twitchy".

What more would I like? How about some torque? The LT is sadly lacking due to it's small engine size.

On a world class Luxury Tourer, cruising down the slab at 70, I should be able to make a quick move against the cages with just a wrist flick - not two taps down first to raise the revs.

The suggestions that have been made are more likely to make the LT a Sport Tourer than to make the GT a Luxury Tourer. And BMW already has a World Class Sport Tourer. Honestly, for those of us that own a current LT, if we wanted a GT, We'd own one.

And...if it is produced, it will be pricey, but will be the undisputed Luxury Touring champion for sure!


Jack, I respect your opinion as much as any on this - or any - board. But on what do you base that rather grandiose comment? We have no clue what a redesigned and re-engineered LT will be. Unless you have been - as Messenger states - drinking the LT Koolaide (for what it's worth, I love the Koolaide)? :)

I love my LT, and will watch with interest as BMW moves forward. Hopefully, they will not move backwards (my opinion) by changing the LT to be more GT like.

[Jerrym]

When I first came on this board it was a BMW Luxury Touring Community. Now it has changed to a Sport Touring Community, which is fine if that is what the majority want. BMW itself is changing. Look at all the new bikes they are coming with. They are going after the younger riders. All bikes are geared to either off road, sport bikes and racing type machines. I do not think they care about touring bikes. Last year there was not 10 LT's sold in my area and the dealer I purchased my Gold Wing sold over 125 Gold Wings. After I purchase my 2001 LT in 2003 and then my 2005 in 2005 I had several people that were interested in changing from a Gold Wing to an LT. Then I had all the problems with my LT they were no Longer interested. None of them would purchase a GT but would have an LT if they did not have all the problems.

[grifscoots]

When I first came on this board it was a BMW Luxury Touring Community. Now it has changed to a Sport Touring Community, which is fine if that is what the majority want. BMW itself is changing. Look at all the new bikes they are coming with. They are going after the younger riders. All bikes are geared to either off road, sport bikes and racing type machines. I do not think they care about touring bikes. Last year there was not 10 LT's sold in my area and the dealer I purchased my Gold Wing sold over 125 Gold Wings. After I purchase my 2001 LT in 2003 and then my 2005 in 2005 I had several people that were interested in changing from a Gold Wing to an LT. Then I had all the problems with my LT they were no Longer interested. None of them would purchase a GT but would have an LT if they did not have all the problems.There have never been a lot of LT's, unless you go to CCR. In 2000, when I bought mine, we were screaming for aftermarket accessories. I screwed lights under the tip over wings for more light.

When I first came to this board, and the first CCR, we talked about riding across country, and then strafing corners like madmen. Real riders, riding real far, at times at the edge of the envelope. If that's sport touring, so be it. I've been here since E-Groups and haven't notice any real changes, other than the software has changed to this great forum.

[grifscoots]

Grif, it "pulls like stink" as long as you have the revs up in the 6k range and above. For a Luxury Tourer, this makes it what my wife describes accurately as "twitchy".

What more would I like? How about some torque? The LT is sadly lacking due to it's small engine size.

And the wonders of retuning will turn this straight 4 into a torque monster without the problems of the single plate, dry clutch.

[bibleman]

And the wonders of retuning will turn this straight 4 into a torque monster without the problems of the single plate, dry clutch.

Let me get this straight...

You are going to re-tune a 1200 cc engine and get more torque and not give up the high end HP that LT owners love?

I'd love to see where this free lunch is.

The problem with torque is the lack of displacement. The LT makes plenty of torque - for a 1200 cc engine. But that is not near enough for a bike the size of the LT.

If you want a Luxury Tourer with over 100 HP and 100 ft/pds of torque - made down low in the powerband - there is only one out there; and Honda did it the old fashioned way - with a bigger engine.

I am not suggesting that BMW produce a 6 cylinder, 1.8 litre engine for the new LT (although I wouldn't be dissapointed), but it is fairly clear (to my feeble mind anyways), that an increase in displacement is a must to satisfy the HP hounds and the Torque hounds.

If HP is all that matters, then a move to a GT based LT would satisfy.
If Torque is all that matters, then Harley has a bike for you.

I must admit - I want it all, which is why I currently own a Wing in addition to my LT. I'd love to go back to owning one bike, and I'd love it to be an LT.

Are you listening BMW (rhetorical question asked becaue I just love rhetoric!!)?

[DavidTaylor]

Let me get this straight...

You are going to re-tune a 1200 cc engine and get more torque and not give up the high end HP that LT owners love?

I'd love to see where this free lunch is.

The problem with torque is the lack of displacement. The LT makes plenty of torque - for a 1200 cc engine. But that is not near enough for a bike the size of the LT.

If you want a Luxury Tourer with over 100 HP and 100 ft/pds of torque - made down low in the powerband - there is only one out there; and Honda did it the old fashioned way - with a bigger engine.

I am not suggesting that BMW produce a 6 cylinder, 1.8 litre engine for the new LT (although I wouldn't be dissapointed), but it is fairly clear (to my feeble mind anyways), that an increase in displacement is a must to satisfy the HP hounds and the Torque hounds.

If HP is all that matters, then a move to a GT based LT would satisfy.
If Torque is all that matters, then Harley has a bike for you.

I must admit - I want it all, which is why I currently own a Wing in addition to my LT. I'd love to go back to owning one bike, and I'd love it to be an LT.

Are you listening BMW (rhetorical question asked becaue I just love rhetoric!!)?

So, all you guys poo-pooing the GT as a touring platform, engine performance, etc., should do a little reading rather than speaking without knowing the facts. Check the spec sheets -

K1200LT - 116HP, 86 lb ft. Torque
K1200GT - 152 HP, 96 lb. ft. Torque

The new K motor already delivers significantly more HP and torque than the LT engine! Also, you're working under the assumption that nothing else on the LT would change - weight, gearing, etc. BMW has put every model on a weight loss program and there's no reason to not expect that from the new LT if it uses the latest K motor as a platform. Also, if you want to get 100+ lb. ft. of torque out of the new motor you will not have to retune it to extensively to get there. I would imagine delivery 135 HP and 110 lb. ft. of torque will be easily achievable, and still be way beyond what the current LT motor does.

Look, if you don't like the GT, just say so. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to by one. If the issues is just fear of change, get over it, because change will happen, we just don't know in what way. At the end of the day the LT is a dated platform and needs to be updated to be relevant in the marketplace. How BMW decides to do that will be interesting regardless of the outcome.

So explain to me where the problem is?

[DavidTaylor]

Check, check, check, and check. Do I win a prize? :D



Sure meet me in Cambria in May and I'll buy you a slice of Olallieberry pie. :D

[niel_petersen]

My list:

Fix the final drive problem
A lower first gear & 6 speed transmission
I don't need more hp - if anything I'd rather go for the fuel economy
Separate front & rear brakes w ABS and no power assist.
Don't need the fancy remote key control and anti-theft system.
I don't need a CD player, much less a 6 CD changer. I took mine remote CD out.

Anyone want my remote CD unit (from my 2005 LT)? Cheap - if you pay the shipping.

[bibleman]

So, all you guys poo-pooing the GT as a touring platform, engine performance, etc., should do a little reading rather than speaking without knowing the facts. Check the spec sheets -

K1200LT - 116HP, 86 lb ft. Torque
K1200GT - 152 HP, 96 lb. ft. Torque

The new K motor already delivers significantly more HP and torque than the LT engine! Also, you're working under the assumption that nothing else on the LT would change - weight, gearing, etc. BMW has put every model on a weight loss program and there's no reason to not expect that from the new LT if it uses the latest K motor as a platform. Also, if you want to get 100+ lb. ft. of torque out of the new motor you will not have to retune it to extensively to get there. I would imagine delivery 135 HP and 110 lb. ft. of torque will be easily achievable, and still be way beyond what the current LT motor does.

Look, if you don't like the GT, just say so. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to by one. If the issues is just fear of change, get over it, because change will happen, we just don't know in what way. At the end of the day the LT is a dated platform and needs to be updated to be relevant in the marketplace. How BMW decides to do that will be interesting regardless of the outcome.

So explain to me where the problem is?

David, while I appreciate your passion, you are proceeding on a number of false premises.

Firstly, the fear of change comment has no foundation in anything posted. Most of us who have stated that the GT would not make a good LT are CLAMORING for change. Just not the change you are summerizing.

For the record I LOVE the GT. I rode an '06 for a couple of days while my LT was in the shop. As a one up bike, I'd buy it tomorrow - but the wife would make me give up the LT. Not happening.

Now then...to the facts.

All torque is not created equal. As I stated in my previous post, what I want is a bike that at 70 can accelerate quickly in an emergency situation without multiple downshifts. While yes, the new GT engine makes a large amount of torque, you neglected to mention that it makes most of it high up in the powerband.

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29026&highlight=torque

When I converted NewtownMeters to Footpounds, I found that the GT engine makes well under 30 pounds of torque @ 3500 RPMs - a likely place to be in top gear @ 70mph. 30 pounds of torque ain't moving that bike anywhere fast. You're gonna have to tap down.

You also state that "At the end of the day the LT is a dated platform and needs to be updated to be relevant in the marketplace. How BMW decides to do that will be interesting regardless of the outcome. "

Why is radical change needed? The Harley touring line is absolutely antiques in comparison, and only a fool would say that they are not relevant in the marketplace. The current LT is also technologically ahead of the Wing.

The few changes needed as I see them?

LOW END GRUNT. The Wing makes over 100 pounds of torque now, and makes most of it right off idle. In a touring machine this is absolute gold. It has so much low end grunt, I seldom use first gear unless pulling a trailer.

RELIABILITY. The current final drive issue has apparently improved dramatically over previous years, but a new one in keeping with the advanced torque we hope for should be forthcoming. Owners drilling weep holes to make sure their tranny's don't fry is almost a parlor joke.

LIGHTING. The XENON lighting is better, but I'd love to see more.

SOUND. Screw the CD player. Give me a 1/8" Aux in and my iPod or Sat Radio handles the rest. I'd say integrate Bluetooth, but that would increase expense for those that don't want it. Maybe offer as an option.

[LAF]

This thread got depressing in a hurry.

I don't care what they use to achieve a new LT, as long as it is an LT when they are done.

Shedding weight is good to a point, don't want blown around on the road.

If you can give me 130HP/110TQ on it I would be just tickled pink.

Yes I need side cases and a trunk.

Not sure I want to bag the single CD, but better connectivity on the audio/com system would be good.

But all of this is a moot point if they don't straiten out the FD. Us guys riding newer bikes aren't racking up the miles yet so too early to tell if we suffer the same, 6/20/40 thousand approximate mile failures we see on others.

And these remarks on Harley and torque crack me up as a stock 96" is like 71HP/84TQ or something. But yes you can do a 103/110" all the way up to a 131" for a TON of money, and a bunch of problems.

I for one have no issues power wise on the LT, it is fine, but yes I can always use more. Just a toe flick down and I can do what I want when I need to with the LT power band so I am happy.

Change is good and if it is a GT motor in a LT frame so be it, don't bother me.

But cost is going to be the issue as a GT needing the body reworked and all the GT goodies, and LT goodies is not going to come cheap.

I don't think I could bite on a 26-30 thousand dollar bike. Just would not be in my price range knowing what it is worth the minuet it leaves the lot, and being in a Winter State, hard to justify even though I have been out at least once or twice a week or more this winter.

And after all, this is a Luxury Item so no one really NEEDS one.

All speculation so everyone keep your panties from twisting in a knot and we will see what they do.

[ATOS]

Hey guys I love my 01 LT and a next 10years I dont want new bike.
Dont understand me a newLT,this LT is a perfect bike I dont need more power,6 cylinder or 1500ccm.When comes a new LT comes whit it a too complicate electronic systems and low quality electronic parts.

[Shriker]

DavidTaylor....K1200LT - 116HP, 86 lb ft. Torque
K1200GT - 152 HP, 96 lb. ft. Torque"

Dont forget its not just how much it makes but WHERE in the powerband it makes that peak and how broad the spread is.

The GT makes almost 25% more HP but only about 11% more torque and its peak is high up the rev range as is its spread.

I am not necessarily against the idea of utilizing the current K platform for the new LT (just like they did with the previous generation) as long as it DELIVERS. ONE area that our old LT's didnt get it done as well was low end power against not only the Wing but big V Twin Cruiser/tourers as well.

Put a TURBO on the current K (a small one to spool up quickly) and you could have an amazing powerband. Complexity , reliability and heat would be some tough hurdles but they are easily conquered in production cars these days . Fuel mileage would be pretty good on the highway as well. :bmw:

[Heracleitus]

I love the GT. I've put about 1k miles on an '07 and it is an awesome bike, but it isn't a Luxury Touring bike. It is a sport tour (OK, a Gran Tourismo) bike. My wife would never go on a multi-day journey on a bike with ergonomics like the GT (or the RT, for that matter). She wants to sit back against the backrest and enjoy the view from the pillion seat. If the new LT went the GT-with-bells-and-whistles route, then our next two-up bike would be made by a manufacturer beginning with the letter H.

Although, I may buy one as a solo ride. . . :D GT power with RT amenities would be perfection for a one-up.

[DavidTaylor]

David, while I appreciate your passion, you are proceeding on a number of false premises.

Firstly, the fear of change comment has no foundation in anything posted. Most of us who have stated that the GT would not make a good LT are CLAMORING for change. Just not the change you are summerizing.

For the record I LOVE the GT. I rode an '06 for a couple of days while my LT was in the shop. As a one up bike, I'd buy it tomorrow - but the wife would make me give up the LT. Not happening.


So, as a 2-up touring solution I will agree the GT is lacking over the LT. This being one of the gating factors in getting one wasn't mentioned before, but I can see why that would be a blocker for getting one. If the little woman isn't hapy nobody is! :)


All torque is not created equal. As I stated in my previous post, what I want is a bike that at 70 can accelerate quickly in an emergency situation without multiple downshifts. While yes, the new GT engine makes a large amount of torque, you neglected to mention that it makes most of it high up in the powerband.

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29026&highlight=torque

When I converted NewtownMeters to Footpounds, I found that the GT engine makes well under 30 pounds of torque @ 3500 RPMs - a likely place to be in top gear @ 70mph. 30 pounds of torque ain't moving that bike anywhere fast. You're gonna have to tap down.


True, where torque is made is at times more important than how much. From personal experience on the several rides I've taken on the GT I've never felt I nad to downshift at 70 to get the desired result in a passing or avoidance scenario. I made it a point on a couple of occasions to leave it in 6th and not downshift just to see what would happen. For my seat of the pants it was better than the LT. Some of that may be contributed to by the lighter steering, but the power was definitely not lacking.


You also state that "At the end of the day the LT is a dated platform and needs to be updated to be relevant in the marketplace. How BMW decides to do that will be interesting regardless of the outcome. "

Why is radical change needed? The Harley touring line is absolutely antiques in comparison, and only a fool would say that they are not relevant in the marketplace. The current LT is also technologically ahead of the Wing.


I never said "radical change" was needed. IMHO the LT is a decade old platform and styling exercise and needs to be brought into the 21st century. If they can do that without signifcabnt change so be it. But considering every idea that's been tossed about (rebuild on new GT platform, go with a large V or flat 6, etc.) there's nothing BUT radical change being discussed or theorized. I will say the LT's current engine platform, while solid, is dated and needs to be replaced.


The few changes needed as I see them?

LOW END GRUNT. The Wing makes over 100 pounds of torque now, and makes most of it right off idle. In a touring machine this is absolute gold. It has so much low end grunt, I seldom use first gear unless pulling a trailer.

RELIABILITY. The current final drive issue has apparently improved dramatically over previous years, but a new one in keeping with the advanced torque we hope for should be forthcoming. Owners drilling weep holes to make sure their tranny's don't fry is almost a parlor joke.

LIGHTING. The XENON lighting is better, but I'd love to see more.

SOUND. Screw the CD player. Give me a 1/8" Aux in and my iPod or Sat Radio handles the rest. I'd say integrate Bluetooth, but that would increase expense for those that don't want it. Maybe offer as an option.

Yep, yep, yep and yep. I have most on my "want" list as well. See and you thought we were disagreeing on everything! :D

[Hackercraft792]

Clutch that will handel the power all seem to want and a final drive that will last. Think of it you can put a fancy new dress and a ton of make up on an old whore and you will still have ---

[cccpastorjack]

A "...what I want is a bike that at 70 can accelerate quickly in an emergency situation without multiple downshifts.




B "While yes, the new GT engine makes a large amount of torque, you neglected to mention that it makes most of it high up in the powerband.

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29026&highlight=torque

When I converted NewtownMeters to Footpounds, I found that the GT engine makes well under 30 pounds of torque @ 3500 RPMs - a likely place to be in top gear @ 70mph. 30 pounds of torque ain't moving that bike anywhere fast."


A My GT...FULLY LOADED, TRUNK INCLUDED, TWO-UP will do this with reckless abandon. I swear, it has so much low end grunt that it is amazing!!! Just gas it in 6th (yes, 6th gear) at 70 mph and it'll come out from under you! Much, much, much faster than my LT ever dreamed.


B I promise you...I will go two-up in a roll on contest with any stock LT out there and they can be one-up to somewhat equalize the weight and my GT will absolutely walk off and leave it from 70 mph on. Guaranteed...No doubt about it. (Won't peter-out at 100 either! :rotf: ) Can't speak for others, but my GT has a LOT of grunt down low in the tach. :stir:

[bob_menton]

Jack is an enthusiastic spokesman for the GT - perhaps excessively so - but in this case, I fully agree. At 70 mph, the 6th gear roll-on acceleration of the GT is FAR beyond that of the LT.

The only time I needed to downshift the LT to pass was in Colorado, at altitudes over 7,000 ft (where gas mileage will be up, but power down). I can't imagine ANY situation where I would have to downshift the GT to pass - and in my case, that's from 60 mph and up. You can't believe how the GT pulls from relatively low RPM until you ride it.

- Bob

[BecketMa]

One is left wondering how us poor LT riders ever manage to get out of our own way on the highway?

My biggest problem, when the speed limit is 75 and I'm going 80-85, is the turkeys who pass me and then pull in front of me like we were doin 45 mph.

Arguing about what BMW might do, is like arguing about what the weather will be like for the next CCR.

I just got back from running errands. I had the LT loaded up with groceries for the next week.

Tomorrow, I load up a couple of boxes that I have to mail, pick up some fresh vegetables from another store, hit Home Depot for some small strips of wood to make a chaise for a vacuum tube power supply; pick up some plexy glass to make a face plate to mount meters in for my two tube transmitter.

Its almost time to head out on my LT to my pottery class--have to run the heaters in the seat and handle bars. Probably have to bring home three or four vases and bowels that were fired last week.

Guess I'm just having too much fun riding my 00LT to worry about what BMW might do in the future.

Bob

[bibleman]

So, as a 2-up touring solution I will agree the GT is lacking over the LT. This being one of the gating factors in getting one wasn't mentioned before, but I can see why that would be a blocker for getting one. If the little woman isn't hapy nobody is! :)



True, where torque is made is at times more important than how much. From personal experience on the several rides I've taken on the GT I've never felt I nad to downshift at 70 to get the desired result in a passing or avoidance scenario. I made it a point on a couple of occasions to leave it in 6th and not downshift just to see what would happen. For my seat of the pants it was better than the LT. Some of that may be contributed to by the lighter steering, but the power was definitely not lacking.



I never said "radical change" was needed. IMHO the LT is a decade old platform and styling exercise and needs to be brought into the 21st century. If they can do that without signifcabnt change so be it. But considering every idea that's been tossed about (rebuild on new GT platform, go with a large V or flat 6, etc.) there's nothing BUT radical change being discussed or theorized. I will say the LT's current engine platform, while solid, is dated and needs to be replaced.



Yep, yep, yep and yep. I have most on my "want" list as well. See and you thought we were disagreeing on everything! :D

Lovin' that!!!!!!

[bibleman]

A My GT...FULLY LOADED, TRUNK INCLUDED, TWO-UP will do this with reckless abandon. I swear, it has so much low end grunt that it is amazing!!! Just gas it in 6th (yes, 6th gear) at 70 mph and it'll come out from under you! Much, much, much faster than my LT ever dreamed.


B I promise you...I will go two-up in a roll on contest with any stock LT out there and they can be one-up to somewhat equalize the weight and my GT will absolutely walk off and leave it from 70 mph on. Guaranteed...No doubt about it. (Won't peter-out at 100 either! :rotf: ) Can't speak for others, but my GT has a LOT of grunt down low in the tach. :stir:

Jack I don't doubt that. Let's face it, the GT is much lighter than the LT, and always will be.

But isn't more low end grunt what we want from the LT? And isn't it obvious that the LT isn't going to get down to GT proportions? More engine is needed.

Finally, I have no doubt that your GT would walk away from my LT in a 70mph roll on test. I doubt highly it would do the same from my Wing - which is just as fat and rotund as my LT. The reason? More engine. The Wing makes twice the torque at 70mph as the GT.

[cccpastorjack]

Man this is FUN.... :histerica

Hey guys, All I am saying is that it is my OPINION that the New LT (if there is one) will have sharper lines, more angular so to speak (kinda like the GT). I do not believe it will be a GT with larger bags, etc. The curvy style of BMW's seemed to have gone out of style and the newer look is sharper...more agressive lines.

And...Bibleman...listen to the pastor...my GT will do the same to that wing! It'll be gone before that thing can get it's first bite of rice! :histerica

[bibleman]

Man this is FUN.... :histerica

Hey guys, All I am saying is that it is my OPINION that the New LT (if there is one) will have sharper lines, more angular so to speak (kinda like the GT). I do not believe it will be a GT with larger bags, etc. The curvy style of BMW's seemed to have gone out of style and the newer look is sharper...more agressive lines.

And...Bibleman...listen to the pastor...my GT will do the same to that wing! It'll be gone before that thing can get it's first bite of rice! :histerica

Sing it preacher.... :)

You may be right about the styling...Lord knows what those whacky Germans will think of next. If it were more like the GT I wouldn't hate it.

As for your GT and my Wing, I wish we lived closer...

We could run 'em all afternoon, and then head back to your garage to check final drive oil and drill weep holes! :bmw: I'd check for frame cracks, except they got those fixed by '06. :rolleyes:

I love ya' man. And you're right...this is fun.

[messenger13]

As for your GT and my Wing, I wish we lived closer...Maybe we could manage a little day run that would let our paths cross. I'm only an hour west of PA. I'd love to meet you for a burger somewhere, then have "LT" for dessert. :p

The truth is ... I've run my GT next to a new Wing, and there's just simply no competition. In any gear, at any speed, anywhere in the RPM range. I know that the Wing feels like a torque MONSTER. But when you run it next to the GT that's 200 pounds lighter with basically 50% more ponies, the torque advantage soon falls short. :o But that's OK. The LT and Wing have their advantages over the GT as well. :)

Let's all try to remember that we are comparing apples and oranges here, aren't we? The Wing and the LT are the undisputed Champs, as far as LUXURY Tourers. And the GT is simply NOT in that category. But the offer for lunch is still 'ON'. ;) I'm sure we can discuss much more important matters anyway. Like . . . the King of Kings. :) :) :) And HE beats the LT, GT, or Wing any day of the week.

Ooops... Sorry for the preachin' y'all! ;)

[bibleman]

Maybe we could manage a little day run that would let our paths cross. I'm only an hour west of PA. I'd love to meet you for a burger somewhere, then have "LT" for dessert. :p

The truth is ... I've run my GT next to a new Wing, and there's just simply no competition. In any gear, at any speed, anywhere in the RPM range. I know that the Wing feels like a torque MONSTER. But when you run it next to the GT that's 200 pounds lighter with basically 50% more ponies, the torque advantage soon falls short. :o But that's OK. The LT and Wing have their advantages over the GT as well. :)

Let's all try to remember that we are comparing apples and oranges here, aren't we? The Wing and the LT are the undisputed Champs, as far as LUXURY Tourers. And the GT is simply NOT in that category. But the offer for lunch is still 'ON'. ;) I'm sure we can discuss much more important matters anyway. Like . . . the King of Kings. :) :) :) And HE beats the LT, GT, or Wing any day of the week.

Ooops... Sorry for the preachin' y'all! ;)

No worries and no apology necessary. We LOVE your preachin'.

Actually, my apologies to all as this thread became totally hijacked. Anyways, who are we kidding? None of us has any real clue as to what BMW has in store for the LT (though it sure is fun speculating!). All we know is what we want, and HONESTLY how often do you get everything you want? :cool:

As for a lunch run, maybe this season? I love the PA area, and there's no one I'd rather lose a friendly competition to. The wife and I were hoping to get down to Scranton to see a AAA Yankees game anyways. It would be a pleasure to meet you.

As for the King ...I could talk about Him all day long. :sun:

Messenger, Pastor Jack and I now return you all to your regularly scheduled (insanity) program.

-Joe

[dler]

Must have; +25 horsepower, -25 pounds

Then (in order) 6-speed, larger gas tank, ESA, adjustable bars, better HID headlight, seat heater switches in dash, reverse switch in dash - on handlebar, fairing compartments/pockets, wider rear/front tires, nav built into dash/fairing, led rear lights.
I've seen some other really good ideas, but these were my private wish list in advance of the thread.
Let's hope the next LTis an 09 that is available later this year.

[Ontogeny]

I don't even dare comment............I am just glad to have something as well designed between my legs as I do. :D

[grifscoots]

I don't even dare comment............I am just glad to have something as well designed between my legs as I do. :DWhat a showoff! :p

[hschisler]

1. How about a fairing that doesn't cover the engine (like the Goldwing) so you could do valve checks without removing lots of plastic? Certainly they could do that without sacrificing wind protection, styling/appearance, etc.
2. How about a "loyalty bonus"? Something like: present LT owners get $500 (or more) off the new model? Many (most?) dealers do that anyway, it seems.
3. Mix-and-match totally-integrated electronics: intercom, GPS, radio (yes, some still use it!), satellite radio.

Many previously-mentioned items would be nice to have, too. It's fun to daydream about these things.

[cccpastorjack]

200 lbs lighter and 152 hp...Oh...Oh....I'm sorry, there I go with that GT thing again. :brick:

[grifscoots]

I'm sorry, there I go with that GT thing again. :brick: There's a country western song title right there now!

[Moonshine]

How about a 150 HP turbo diesel with a lot of low end grunt, 6 speed trans and 75 plus MPG, a robust clutch & final drive that wont leave you stranded out in the boonies, and all of this at 100 pounds less than current model.

[bibleman]

How about a 150 HP turbo diesel with a lot of low end grunt, 6 speed trans and 75 plus MPG, a robust clutch & final drive that wont leave you stranded out in the boonies, and all of this at 100 pounds less than current model.

...and 5 grand less.... :rotf:

[CalLT]

Doesn't matter. My current LT is the last BMW I will buy.

[bflemingor]

That's what I get for going out of town! 37 more pages of comments!!! :histerica

To address the GT question asked earlier (waaay up there) - I can't move on the GT. No place for my big feet to go + I have to lean forward to ride.

Years ago I bought a ST1100 - picked it up in the morning, put 200 miles on the clock, & went straight back to the dealer to swap it for a 'Wing. The BMW GT doesn't feel any better to me - I couldn't put 500 miles on a GT if my life depended on it.

So if our LT goes away, I'll have to go back to a "cruiser" to remain comfortable.... but then we're all wired differently, otherwise there would only be LTs.... :D

[chuckle]

For sure a decent rider's saddle, a better final drive and a stronger clutch would all be welcome additions.

[Jerrym]

For sure a decent rider's saddle, a better final drive and a stronger clutch would all be welcome additions.

This is what I found.

[cccpastorjack]

This is what I found.


We are looking for suggestions on a BETTER LT, Not at WANNABE! :v:

By the way, where are the Teddy Bears??? :histerica

[bibleman]

We are looking for suggestions on a BETTER LT, Not at WANNABE! :v:

By the way, where are the Teddy Bears??? :histerica

Come on Jack. While I may disagree with Jerry that the Wing is the "Better Mousetrap" of the Touring Division compared to the LT, it is certainly more in keeping with how most people view Luxury Touring than the GT solution you continue to tout!!!

Touring Jack....TOURING. That means (for most of us), Mama and me...and all of her stuff for two weeks on two wheels. For some of us, that also means pulling a 300 pound cargo trailer for her purse and the stuff she buys with it while we are sauntering around the country.

:cool:

Now if they could just take that Honda 1.8 liter 6 cylinder and paste it under the LT's tupperware...... :stir:

[Jerrym]

We are looking for suggestions on a BETTER LT, Not at WANNABE! :v:

By the way, where are the Teddy Bears??? :histerica

I think you have it backwards. It sounds to me like every one is asking for every thing the Gold Wing already has. It sounds like the LT is a WANNABE! I wanted another LT but I wanted all the things everybody is asking for here and I say this is what I found. I am not saying I like the Gold Wing better but it was the only bike in its class.

[Shriker]

I think you have it backwards. It sounds to me like every one is asking for every thing the Gold Wing already has. It sounds like the LT is a WANNABE! I wanted another LT but I wanted all the things everybody is asking for here and I say this is what I found. I am not saying I like the Gold Wing better but it was the only bike in its class.


Hmmm ...you actually have a good point there.....Would it be all that terrible if BMW built a better Wing....hey as long as it works and has BMW charisma (no I dont mean rear drive failures hehe). BMW has typically always gone down their own road from an engineering and styling standpoint and it gives their machines a unique character regardless of other things. :bmw:

[cccpastorjack]

Bibleman, Jerry...back away from the GW kool-aid. Keep calm... :)

While I agree that the GT isn't a replacement for the LT (I was joking when I said it was), neither is the Goldwing.

It is a great bike in its own rite, BUT most BMW LT Riders are NOT going to be satisfied with a Honda Gold Wing. (I said "most", not "all"). But I would be willing to bet that it would be the vast majority.

IF there is a new LT (and I think there will be), you can bet it will be design specific for "LUXURY" Touring (and that is what Bibleman calls TOURING). I believe the new LT (if offered), will be incredible and you will see that by the lines at the dealership when it hits the floor. ;)

That's when I want to pick up a current model LT for almost nothing because the Blue Book value on them will go w-a-y down. Then, when the wifey wants to go for a LUXURY TOUR, we'll take the LT.

When I want to go solo and have a BLAST doing it, I'll take the GT.

And that, my friends, is the epitome of both TOURING and LUXURY TOURING. :dance:

[Jerrym]

Bibleman, Jerry...back away from the GW kool-aid. Keep calm... :)

While I agree that the GT isn't a replacement for the LT (I was joking when I said it was), neither is the Goldwing.

It is a great bike in its own rite, BUT most BMW LT Riders are NOT going to be satisfied with a Honda Gold Wing. (I said "most", not "all"). But I would be willing to bet that it would be the vast majority.

IF there is a new LT (and I think there will be), you can bet it will be design specific for "LUXURY" Touring (and that is what Bibleman calls TOURING). I believe the new LT (if offered), will be incredible and you will see that by the lines at the dealership when it hits the floor. ;)

That's when I want to pick up a current model LT for almost nothing because the Blue Book value on them will go w-a-y down. Then, when the wifey wants to go for a LUXURY TOUR, we'll take the LT.

When I want to go solo and have a BLAST doing it, I'll take the GT.

And that, my friends, is the epitome of both TOURING and LUXURY TOURING. :dance:

I never ride double. In fact my 2005 had 57,000 miles on it and never ever had a passenger on it. It had a Corbin Smuggler on so it never had a passenger seat on it. I wish Corbin would make a smuggler for the Gold Wing and I would have one.

[Colyn]

Ok guys as promised ... I have spoken to my friend ... seems to be that there wont we a new LT soon ... maybe 2011, 2012.

Apparently the biggest problem for the current one is the problem with the EU Emissions Controls on the current engine.

Sorry nothing more I can add.

[bibleman]

Bibleman, Jerry...back away from the GW kool-aid. Keep calm... :)

While I agree that the GT isn't a replacement for the LT (I was joking when I said it was), neither is the Goldwing.

It is a great bike in its own rite, BUT most BMW LT Riders are NOT going to be satisfied with a Honda Gold Wing. (I said "most", not "all"). But I would be willing to bet that it would be the vast majority.

IF there is a new LT (and I think there will be), you can bet it will be design specific for "LUXURY" Touring (and that is what Bibleman calls TOURING). I believe the new LT (if offered), will be incredible and you will see that by the lines at the dealership when it hits the floor. ;)

That's when I want to pick up a current model LT for almost nothing because the Blue Book value on them will go w-a-y down. Then, when the wifey wants to go for a LUXURY TOUR, we'll take the LT.

When I want to go solo and have a BLAST doing it, I'll take the GT.

And that, my friends, is the epitome of both TOURING and LUXURY TOURING. :dance:

GW Kool-aid! Nice one...if misdirected.

First off sir, unlike some who abandoned the LT when they went to the Wing (and I respect their decision), I was fortunate enough to be able to keep my LT. While I will post honestly about it's wonderous attributes, I think it's only fair to bring up the negatives as well. For what it's worth, I do the same thing in reverse on GL1800.com when discussing the Wing versus the LT (..or the HDUC, or the Vision, etc...).

Do I see Touring differently than others? Maybe. Firstly, I ride almost exclusively two-up with the wife. This may well be the best thing about it. Secondly, like with most that tons of miles, I pull a full sized trailer behind my bike. This was the deciding factor in my purchasing the Wing. The most I would have considered behind the LT was a Uni-Go, and even then I would have sweated the Final Drive stress (and the resultant loss of warranty coverage from a trailer hitch and trailer behind the bike).

I suspect you are correct that most LT riders would not be satisfied with a Wing, but you must ask the question...why? Is it the bike, or the marque? Does the BMW logo mean that much? I ask because it means nothing to me - I bought my LT - and keep it - because I love the bike on it's own merits. I feel the same about my "lowly" Honda.

But I suspect others tow the company line because of they like owning a Beemer.

Having said that, I wonder if it really is the Honda owners that drink the:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/jewing/Kool Aid Man.jpg

[messenger13]

... I wonder if it really is the Honda owners that drink the:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/jewing/Kool%20Aid%20Man.jpg
I've found that whatever brand I'm riding on any particular day, that's the flavor of Koolaid that tastes best that day. ;)

[bibleman]

I've found that whatever brand I'm riding on any particular day, that's the flavor of Koolaid that tastes best that day. ;)

Couldn't agree more!!! Even riding my wife's Shadow 600 is a kick on day's where you just want a naked bike and aren't in a hurry. I have ridden it to work a number of times and just loved it.

[Colyn]

Bibleman ... please post me a bigger shot of your bike ... I love the trim scheme.

[bibleman]

Bibleman ... please post me a bigger shot of your bike ... I love the trim scheme.

Gladly. It's the standard Ocean Blue Metalic offered in '06 - Picture taken the day I brought her home.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/j/e/jewing/LTBIG.jpg

[bigbear]

I would like to see BMW release a RT or LT version in the 750 - 800 cc range. This bike should be small and light enough to maneuver around town at slow speeds yet have plenty of power for cruising down the road. This would be a nice bike for commuting yet have the amenities for weekend jaunts.

Preferred features:

1) Cable operated clutch. Never heard of a cable failing and destroying the clutch.
2) Cable operated throttle: Easy to diagnose and repair, never had one that was super sensitive like the electric version on the new bikes.
3) Manual brakes with no integral or linked. I want to know when and which brake is being applied.
6) Six speed gear box with a nice slow low gear and an over drive. No reverse required.
7) Reasonable passenger comfort for 200 - 300 days.
8) Ease of access to maintenance items. I.e. air filter, spark plugs, oil filler cap etc..
9) Reasonable wind protection for rider and passenger.
10) Shaft drive that is dependable.
11) Good power / torque band below 5000 RPM.
12) Switched fuse box for accessories.
13) Detachable side cases and Top Box color coordinated to the Bike.

Last but not least Competitive price.

Roy

[Colyn]

Thanks Bibleman. Motorrad in South Africa do not bring in the grey trim ... only black.

[cccpastorjack]

People tell me that the Gray is great in the summer heat. Of course, you don't have to worry about that in South Africa. :histerica Good ole BMW, always putting the customer first! :D

[OU812]

Maybe a little lighter weight. Mine listed @ 845lbs I think. I had to look up the GL1800, as the one I rode felt heavier. This is what I found:

Style: Luxury Tourer
Engine Type:
1832cc Boxer-Six
Seat:
mm/"
Weight: 792+lbs HP: 104
Torque: 109
Top Speed: MPG: 55
Strange, it felt a lot heavier then my LT? :confused:

[Shriker]

Weights listed by the manufacturers in their specs are notoriously "off" in an optomistic way generally.

Our LT's are usually in the 860 lb range full of all fluids (the newer ones are a bit more because of the additional light and electro center stand etc.)

Current gen Wings are generally over 900lbs full of fluids.....especially the loaded air bag equipped models. :bmw:

[cccpastorjack]

Maybe a little lighter weight. Mine listed @ 845lbs I think. I had to look up the GL1800, as the one I rode felt heavier. This is what I found:

Style: Luxury Tourer
Engine Type:
1832cc Boxer-Six
Seat:
mm/"
Weight: 792+lbs HP: 104
Torque: 109



Wow...an 1832 cc engine that produces only 104 horsepower and 109 ft lbs of torque???? :histerica

I tell 'ya boys, the GT engine in an LT package would blow your mind!!!!! :thumb: It would provide you with 152 hp and lots of torque...keep the bike light and would work like a champ. I bet 'ya something like that is coming right down the BMW pipe! :rolleyes:

[meese]

I would like to see BMW release a RT or LT version in the 750 - 800 cc range. This bike should be small and light enough to maneuver around town at slow speeds yet have plenty of power for cruising down the road. This would be a nice bike for commuting yet have the amenities for weekend jaunts.BMW did release an R 850 R bike, but it just didn't sell. So I can't see that a fully-faired tourer with that motor would work. In fact, the CL models were notoriously panned for their lack of power even though they had the extra cc's.

I'm sure there exists a bike that fits all your criteria. But I'm also sure that it's not a BMW. Maybe a Honda Pacific Coast would work for you? :)

[bibleman]

Wow...an 1832 cc engine that produces only 104 horsepower and 109 ft lbs of torque???? :histerica

I tell 'ya boys, the GT engine in an LT package would blow your mind!!!!! :thumb: It would provide you with 152 hp and lots of torque...keep the bike light and would work like a champ. I bet 'ya something like that is coming right down the BMW pipe! :rolleyes:

Jack, Jack, Jack... ;)

We keep going over the same material... :)

Yes, the Wing makes "only" 109 ft pnds of torque, but it makes almost all of it JUST OFF IDLE. The darned thing makes 95 of it before it hits 3k rpms. That's what many of us want in a Luxury Tourer.

Honestly, if I wanted a Sport Tourer, I wouldn't consider anything other than the GT. But I don't want to run the revs up to 6k+ just to get the rated power / torque.

The numbers you noted, while accurate, are deceiving - you gotta' show where they lay in the power curve. At 35 mph in 5th gear on my Wing I can twist the wick and she pulls like crazy. The LT? It would choke, weeze, and then laugh in my face.

If BMW uses the GT engine for the new LT (I highly doubt this), they will have surrendered the top of the market to Harley and Honda. I'd hate to see that. There's no replacement for displacement.

-Joe

[meese]

There's no replacement for displacement.If that's true, then we only end up with one conclusion:

http://www.zeenz.nl/images/uploads/Rapom_V8_verkleind.jpg

Personally, I'd like a bike that actually handles as well as goes fast straight. :)

[bigbear]

BMW did release an R 850 R bike, but it just didn't sell. So I can't see that a fully-faired tourer with that motor would work. In fact, the CL models were notoriously panned for their lack of power even though they had the extra cc's.

I'm sure there exists a bike that fits all your criteria. But I'm also sure that it's not a BMW. Maybe a Honda Pacific Coast would work for you? :)

Meese,
didn't BMW sell quite a few K75's? Now they have the F800 line. I am just speculating that an RT or LT version of that might sell. Seems to me that the R****RT is a pretty popular model.

Roy

[OU812]

I could see the GT motor in an LT. Just the power/weight ratio would be a better handling bike. I also would have to have the LT comfort/accessories that is present in the current LT models. ;)

[bibleman]

Personally, I'd like a bike that actually handles as well as goes fast straight. :)

Me too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo

[Bob]

Hi Guys,
Oh why do you guys let guys like me log on?

1. Hydraulic Valve Lifters.

2. 80Gb HD stereo with choice modules for XM / Seriously.

3. Yes, I meant to spell it that way...

4. No more horses, just more torque, I pull trailers...

5. Separate brakes less/no power assist.
If I can't handle that job, I should not be holding up a 900 pound bike
in traffic!

6. Seat Ergo review,

7. Driver Pegs adjustable forward 2" down 1" (Shifter/brake follows peg).

8. Quality Shocks from the git go, Rebuildable, not some "dead in 17,000
mile knock-offs.

9. Pager alarm with cell option.

10. appropriate Drain plug locations that don't cause surgery on your self
when you change your oils.

11. Hybrid Bluetooth intercom with little "Deck of cards sized transceivers that
a STANDARD Helmet cord plugs into" so you can tuck it in an inside jacket
pocket and put USEFULL sized REPLACEABLE rechargables in it.

12. Cameras front and rear that take a picture every 5 seconds for 10
minutes before overwriting the first. LOCKS last loop in if the
bike does something weird like, Falls over when you're not there or is
messed with when the ignition is off.

13. Real LCD Dash with GPS, System stats, trip computer, Backup camera
(using cameras above, item 12) and a Remote keyboard so via WiFi, when
you're parked next to StarBucks, you can check you email, Skype your
wife THEN work, download some new tunes into Itunes and Get another
Booktape from Audible for the run across the mid-west or for setting your
favorite channels on XM, Oh... and a smaller version in my backrest that
can velcro to my shoulders for my love to use to watch Itunes videos or
set her own music up, when she can't take one more minute of "Ruby".

Over the top? I think not!

14. Tire pressure monitors built into the rims.

15. Trailer isolator pre-wired, I like that!

16. HID High and low.

17. Adjustable Side stand. Loaded for bear, bike falls to the right, Empty and
it leans too far to the Left.

18. Parking Brake/Theft deterrent. Front brake lock that self-disengages when
the key is turned on. Set with button at caliper.

19. Tool Kit? Yes Please!

20. Discrete tie-down points under edge of rider's seat or make the handle so
that it can handle downward pressure and add another, mirrored on
the right also, designed to take downward pressure.

I have a few more if you're interested?

[dmatson]

I think that even though the LT's motor is a little dated with a few changes it would still be a great touring motor. With a new head and the latest gen fuel injection/electronics I am sure they could get another 30 HP and extra torque out of it. Make the FD and clutch/slave issues go away and give it the newest type of brakes. Give it a nice low first gear for easy take offs two up on a hill and keep the 5 speed, fifth is already overdriven. I don't want a car motor in my motorcycle I like to use the revs, I love to take the LT up to 8K and shift. I cruise a lot between 75-90mph and the LT feels better there than plunking along at 3K. I have ridden my friends 06' GL1800 enough to know I don't want the LT to feel/handle like it. I also like getting 45mpg and up on a trip. What I would like to see is the side cases made to be removable and the top box sit on a rack so that when it is removed you have the rack to use. ESA using high quality shocks that are rebuildable. I would not like to see a built in GPS, you are stuck with then. Would like to see a state of the art stero/intercom/bike to bike where you could plug in an Ipod, GPS, phone, ect.

[OU812]

I am with you two ^ ^. :bmw: