A little pot stirring

[Lonewuff]

Oh what the heck, lets just stir this pot a little more (taken from an email I just received):



"Whether you carry or not isn't it ironic that this is always the scenario for the wacko's

"Michael J. Arnold" <Mike@StayingAlive.info> wrote:


A friend of mine pointed out that I missed this:

Out of the close to 3,000 news stories on that little scum-bag in Omaha, none of the liberals reporting bothered to mention that the mall had been designated a "gun-free" zone.



Nebraska passed "concealed carry", but the sick, anti-gun liberals decided that no one in the mall should have the right to defend themselves.



BE PROUD, MY LIBERAL FRIENDS."

For more: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315563,00.html

[cfell]

Sounds like a "self-fulfilling prophecy"... oh, I stuck my hand in the fire and it burned me.

Nice of the Liberals to provide a "no return fire" zone.

[RVB1019]

Here we go again!

http://www.e-pix.org/data/media/77/not_this_shit_again.jpg

[cfell]

It is working Jerry...

[hybridcage]

Sounds like a "self-fulfilling prophecy"... oh, I stuck my hand in the fire and it burned me.

Nice of the Liberals to provide a "no return fire" zone.


Cfell..I am honestly confused, for someone so proudly flaunting their religious beliefs, you sure seem very into seeing people killed. And from the other post on the Pasadena incident, even wanting to donate your money towards defending someone who kills. Really I am confused by you.

[Lonewuff]

I'm not going to speak for Chan...cause we damn sure know he can speak for himself ;) , but I think it is just the opposite. He doesn't want to see anyone killed, but had there not been a restriction on CHP's in the mall than there is a high probability that there may have been less killing, or he might not have chosen the mall as a place to carry this out. You know when you are walking around in a mall in Texas that one in five people you walk by is probably carrying. Keeps things even.

[JPSpen]

I know just how Chandler feels. The last thing I would ever want to do is kill another human being. Having said that, I wouldn't hesitate to kill someone who was trying to harm me or others in a situation like that one.

Sometimes it's just kill or be killed. When it comes down to that, We all are reduced to animals doing what comes instinctivly, SURVIVE..

If you've never had to defend your life, you might want to think about what you'd do if placed in that situation. Mental preparation is the key to survival.
I might be peeing in my pants, But I'll be pulling that trigger..


God killed plenty of folks..For a lot less....

John

[KYchris02]

hmmmm.... it definitely would have made a better news story if 20 or 30 armed shoppers would have opened fire on a gunman in the crowded mall. i'm sure my fellow beemer riders are good shots, however, not so confident about the rest of the concealed carry permits out there.

[petevandyke]

hmmmm.... it definitely would have made a better news story if 20 or 30 armed shoppers would have opened fire on a gunman in the crowded mall. i'm sure my fellow beemer riders are good shots, however, not so confident about the rest of the concealed carry permits out there.


no, if it were BMW LT riders, we'd find adequate cover (not just concealment)--located by punching up our location on an official BMW model Garmin ZUMO, announce a warning for the offender to drop his weapon through a bluetooth headset linked to an Autocom intercom system, then remove our Gerbings heated gloves to go for our concealed handgun...

...have a difficult time getting to it because of the genuine BMW Motorrad cupholder dangling in the way on our BMR shelf suspended above our belt, have the gun catch on our shirt on the way out as the "grip puppies" grip dragged on our BMW 3-season gore-tex jacket, then the gun would mis-fire, a result of a "final drive failure" on the ammunition magazine causing the firing pin to dummy-tap, perhaps the result of improper dino vs. synthetic lube.

After which whoever it was would be in a huge rush to post what happened on bmwlt.com, hoping to help others by sharing the story, three people would empathize, four would sympathize, thirteen would tell him how he did it wrong, six would post that "you should have used the services of your local dealer," two would say that it would had been better if he owned a GT, one would talk about the latest article about Kawasaki Concours 14 riders who shoot bad guys in malls, a moderator would censor his post for offering a group purchase on undies like the pair he soiled without going through proper channels, and one member would post that "we already discussed this last year, check the hall of wisdom."


(how's that for stirring the pot?)


cheers

Pete

[loansumrider]

Oh what the heck, lets just stir this pot a little more (taken from an email I just received):

I will just take my medication and not get my blood pressure up for this stuff.

It is Christmas and holiday time; so have another drink.

Cheers to all, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

[Zotter]

Well, to continue the stirring...

Consider that the whako in Colorado that started his killing spree at the Youth for Christ center, then went on to one of the largest churches in the country - was stopped by an armed security guard. One that had been 'put on alert' when news of the killings at the YfC center was heard.

I can't afford a security guard - that's up to me to take care of. Hopefully I'll never have to go to work.

As has been mentioned before - posted 'gun free zones' aren't.
Instead they're posted fields of soft targets.

[grifscoots]

Well, to continue the stirring...

Consider that the whako in Colorado that started his killing spree at the Youth for Christ center, then went on to one of the largest churches in the country - was stopped by an armed security guard. One that had been 'put on alert' when news of the killings at the YfC center was heard.

I can't afford a security guard - that's up to me to take care of. Hopefully I'll never have to go to work.

As has been mentioned before - posted 'gun free zones' aren't.
Instead they're posted fields of soft targets.What goes thru the minds of owner's and management who post the legal sign declaring their property off limits to concealed weapons? The law abiding folk will do just that, leave their weapon to obey the law. Do these folks think that their postings will really make a difference? I reckon they do, as they do.

Since the postings are legal, does the responsibility lay with the folks who make the law? Is the blood on their hands because innocent folks could not defend themselves because they were following the law?

Why does the phrase, "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns", keep blasting thru the noggin?

Ya know, when the wild west was just that, and folks routinely wore a gun on their hip, it was a more polite society. The average joe didn't dare mouth off to a stranger, or be rude, as it might be Billy the Kid you were dealing with.

[cfell]

Cfell..I am honestly confused, for someone so proudly flaunting their religious beliefs, you sure seem very into seeing people killed. And from the other post on the Pasadena incident, even wanting to donate your money towards defending someone who kills. Really I am confused by you.

Dear Chris,
My reply... yes, there will be some "religious" references... as the answer requires.

I respectfully submit the following:

I do not abdicate "violence". I do NOT support "Capital Punishment". I think they are both inherently evil... and it is that evil we are to confront... There are solutions.. "Lock and throw away the key"... let them live out the rest of their natural lives... and, rather than go off the path here, I won't provide the options.

Edmund Burke said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. " Is this what we are to do? I say, "No."

Some in this world mistake "christians" for weak, inept and perhaps a bit inclined to be thought unworthy cowards. That is not at all what they are called to be.

They are called to be peacemakers... when peace will be had.
They are called to be tolerant... when tolerance will be had.
They are called to give their lives... when the beast is at the door...

In my opinion, that is not weakness, ineptness or show the least bit of cowardice.

"Jesus" was no weakling, not inept nor a coward. He did not shrink from his mission....

Do you think it was a "soft" man who lived 40 days in the desert without food or water? Who walked all over the area of the Middle East to bring God's message of healing and salvation through the forgiveness of sin? What sort of man gets his "ire" up at the way they were treating God's house... so much in fact that by his own hands weaved a whip of cords and drove the money changers from the temple? Surely he would be a man who would kneel before the "elite" of his day as they sought to shut him up... but he would have none of it because it was against God. This was the man who stood before the "powers" and did not shrink. This was the man who lay down his life....for his friends.

That is the "Jesus" Christians are to be.

Fast forward to that day when someone wanted to "go out in a blaze of glory".

There is weakness, ineptitude and cowardice.

Scenario - October 16, 1991 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

Scroll down to name #13, Connie Dean Peterson. As lovely a human being you might ever be blessed to meet..

She and a friend had ridden their motorcycles to Killeen that day. As Connie comforted her friend during the rampage, that weak man killed her. Connie was our friend... a kindred spirit with the gift of healing in her... I miss her every day.

Now, what is your answer, Chris? Do you stand between your loved ones and the madman? What about protecting the life of a stranger?

Why wouldn't you protect a stranger?

I pray no one ever be faced with that decision... nor would anyone "ask" for that situation to be presented...

However, "the beast is at the door".... and a strong man will not let it in without a prayer for God's Strength, then fight the good fight.

... and, with God's grace and courage, may we not be shut up by the "elite" of today.

[loansumrider]

Nice of the Liberals to provide a "no return fire" zone.

Channing, nice picture of yourself.

[DanMartin]

Dear Chris,
My reply... yes, there will be some "religious" references... as the answer requires.


Well said Channing.
I am in awe of your writing ability.


dan

[UncleRock]

Lot of bullshit on here, first your all about as smart as a floating turd for being in the mall at christmas time. (might as well stop by Victoria's secret and get yourself something lacey:histerica )

2nd if you took your piece out and left it in the trunk because of some sign and you or yours was killed SO WHAT! (They don't have a smile for flippin you off or it would be here)

3rd Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus birthday, it is just a ploy (by the same people with the no gun sign) to bilk you out of your hard earned cash. A simple look at animal husbandry practices and geography will show that shepards in that part of the globe are not out in the fields with their flocks in Dec.

4th you can talk about what you would do blah blah blah. Killing is not an easy thing to do (unless your off the rails) once you have snuffed out the fragile flame of anothers life. It will haunt your soul, even if it was totally justified, 20 years later there it is, playing over in your mind, just like the day it happened. Was there something else that could have been done, some other way?:think:
Rock

[amarider]

4th you can talk about what you would do blah blah blah. Killing is not an easy thing to do (unless your off the rails) once you have snuffed out the fragile flame of anothers life. It will haunt your soul, even if it was totally justified, 20 years later there it is, playing over in your mind, just like the day it happened. Was there something else that could have been done, some other way?:think:
Rock


I try and stay away from opinion threads (too much foot in mouth disease, including myself) and I rarely agree with your opinions Rock but you nailed this one. If you come to CCR I'll buy ya a beer :beer:

[zippy_gg]

3rd Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus birthday, it is just a ploy (by the same people with the no gun sign) to bilk you out of your hard earned cash. Same as July 4th Tire Sales and Veteran's Day Mattress Sales. I always found those to be insulting to the memory of those who fought for our freedom. A holiday should NOT be a reason for a sale, but rather a chance to reflect on what we are celebrating.

[nocanpickem]

Some ancodatal evidence is not helpful on gun control questions. There are just as many instances where intruders turned out to be family members coming home late or kids shooting someone with a gun that "was hidden"

I think the question posed by Omaha is whether it is good public policy to have gun fights with untrained combatants in shopping malls or is there a better solution.

Karl

[larrykay]

no, if it were BMW LT riders, we'd find adequate cover (not just concealment)--located by punching up our location on an official BMW model Garmin ZUMO, announce a warning for the offender to drop his weapon through a bluetooth headset linked to an Autocom intercom system, then remove our Gerbings heated gloves to go for our concealed handgun...

...have a difficult time getting to it because of the genuine BMW Motorrad cupholder dangling in the way on our BMR shelf suspended above our belt, have the gun catch on our shirt on the way out as the "grip puppies" grip dragged on our BMW 3-season gore-tex jacket, then the gun would mis-fire, a result of a "final drive failure" on the ammunition magazine causing the firing pin to dummy-tap, perhaps the result of improper dino vs. synthetic lube.

After which whoever it was would be in a huge rush to post what happened on bmwlt.com, hoping to help others by sharing the story, three people would empathize, four would sympathize, thirteen would tell him how he did it wrong, six would post that "you should have used the services of your local dealer," two would say that it would had been better if he owned a GT, one would talk about the latest article about Kawasaki Concours 14 riders who shoot bad guys in malls, a moderator would censor his post for offering a group purchase on undies like the pair he soiled without going through proper channels, and one member would post that "we already discussed this last year, check the hall of wisdom."


(how's that for stirring the pot?)


cheers

Pete


Right on Pete !

[CalLT]

I try and stay away from opinion threads (too much foot in mouth disease, including myself) and I rarely agree with your opinions Rock but you nailed this one. If you come to CCR I'll buy ya a beer :beer:

Big plus one. It's amazing how much bluster comes from those who've never actually drawn and fired on a living person. I wonder what those who HAVE drawn and fired would say on the subject?

[LTPenguin]

There won't be any substantial discussion on this issue until two things happen:

- Urbanites acknowledge that guns are a part of rural culture and that some guns serve a legitimate recreational purpose.

- People in rural areas acknowledge that in cities violence is often exacerbated by the presence of guns, and that some guns serve little legitimate recreational purpose.

The root of this problem is the natural tendency to assume that we have experienced a typical life, and that the rest of the [county, city, state, country, world, etc.] is not too different from what we know. In fact, this [county, city, state, country, world, etc.] is full of almost unimaginable diversity. And most people think they are handling their affairs quite well without help from "outsiders," thank you very much.

Of course, acknowledging that someone else's opinion, while different, is also reasonable, would go a long way toward spoiling your fun. ;)

[zippy_gg]

I think I hear Tony volunteering to set up another group buy, but with Glock this time...:rolleyes::D

[Lonewuff]

Big plus one. It's amazing how much bluster comes from those who've never actually drawn and fired on a living person. I wonder what those who HAVE drawn and fired would say on the subject?

I don't have any problems sleeping at night. I have no regrets. And like the Marine when asked by a reporter what he felt when he killed Taliban members, his response "Recoil." That pretty well sums it up.

I remember every one of them, but I have NEVER looked back and wondered if there could have been a better way. I have never felt any remorse for my actions and I have no time for guilt. If you want to consider me cold hearted I don't really care, cause all that matters to me is my heart is still beating thank you very much. That's pretty much all I have to say on the subject.

[grifscoots]

If you want to consider me cold hearted I don't really care, cause all that matters to me is my heart is still beating thank you very much. That's pretty much all I have to say on the subject.After knowing you a bit, I'd have to say it's a purdy big heart.

[grifscoots]

Lot of bullshit on here, first your all about as smart as a floating turd for being in the mall at christmas time. (might as well stop by Victoria's secret and get yourself something lacey:histerica )

2nd if you took your piece out and left it in the trunk because of some sign and you or yours was killed SO WHAT! (They don't have a smile for flippin you off or it would be here)

3rd Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus birthday, it is just a ploy (by the same people with the no gun sign) to bilk you out of your hard earned cash. A simple look at animal husbandry practices and geography will show that shepards in that part of the globe are not out in the fields with their flocks in Dec.

4th you can talk about what you would do blah blah blah. Killing is not an easy thing to do (unless your off the rails) once you have snuffed out the fragile flame of anothers life. It will haunt your soul, even if it was totally justified, 20 years later there it is, playing over in your mind, just like the day it happened. Was there something else that could have been done, some other way?:think:
RockI've been gnawing on this a bit. How dare you accuse me of going to a.... a... a... fucking mall:eek:

[NOGILLS2]

I guess the addage "Guns dont kill people, people kill people" is forgotten! If they manage to take away the guns will that stop the killing? Oh wait we still have baseball bats, knives, piano strings, clubs, rocks, and other implements.
If I am angry enough or disturbed enough I dont need a gun! It is whats in your heart.

As far as what Jesus has to do with it, I dont think his death was pleasant or many of his followers. All for what they believed in.

Near death experience will change many thoughts and ideas of what you will do.

[Lonewuff]

I've been gnawing on this a bit. How dare you accuse me of going to a.... a... a... fucking mall:eek:

No Grif, you are confused...he accused you of going to the "Regular" Mall. :histerica

[zippy_gg]

No Grif, you are confused...he accused you of going to the "Regular" Mall. :histericaPerhaps Grif meant "Hooter" :histerica