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GBarnes
Nov 12th, 2007, 2:20 pm
I've been a little busy lately and haven't spent much time here, but I figured it was time now.

On October 18th, on my way to work a little before eight in the morning, I hit an ice-covered bridge on Interstate 70. I was going about 85 when I saw the ice, 75 when I started to cross it, and probably 65 or so when I went down. The bridge was on a slight curve so, as soon as I saw the ice, I changed lines and pointed the bike straight. I disengaged the cruise control, but didn't brake or otherwise change anything.

I was about 75% of the way across the bridge and thought I was going to make it, when the back in of the bike slid a little to the left. I gently corrected, and had a very nice, flat-track style slide going, till I hit the dry asphalt at the end of the bridge. I think the bike was at about a 35 to 40 degree angle from straight when I hit the dry stuff.

The big beast jumped to the right, then left, then right, then left... Well, you get the idea. After about 4 or 5 rear-end swaps, we finally low sided on the left side. I slid along on the asphalt on my back for a ways, watching sparks fly from the LT as it did the same. Then something happened and I started to tumble.

I came to a stop, lying on my back in the right lane of the interstate. I had passed a few cars a mile or so back, so I was worried I might get run over. I felt OK, so I rolled onto my stomach. Everything still felt good, so I got up on my hands and knees. I looked and saw two cars approaching, one in each lane, so I stood up and walked the few feet to the right shoulder. I was amazed at two things. One was that I didn't feel any pain, anywhere. The other was that the cars barely slowed down as they continued on their way!

I crossed the Interstate, picking up my tank bag and both of my Garmin units, and kicking pieces of my windshield ahead of me. The LT came to rest in the median on her left side. She didn't look too bad, but I knew from experience that it was going to be one expensive fix!

About then a guy came running up and asked if I was OK. That was the first time that I really checked myself out: legs-OK, arms-OK, other parts-Ok. "Yeah", I said, "I'm fine". "Man", he said, "you better play the lottery today; you're one lucky SOB". It turns out he was in a tow truck up the road about 100 yards when I went down. He was trying to get across the Interstate to pick up an SUV that had rolled a couple of hours earlier, (after hitting the same ice I had). He had been watching his mirrors, looking for a break in traffic, when I came tumbling along.

A state trooper showed up a little while later, took my accident report, and gave me a citation for "excessive speed for conditions". What a pal!

A couple of friends came and got me and the LT and we took it to their shop near my home. The adjuster from Progressive showed up later that day and, after about 30 minutes of math, pronounced the bike a total. They gave me a check for $8,739.22 last Wednesday and the tow truck should show up to haul the bike away today.

A lot of my LD accessories had been donated, so I didn't have receipts to prove cost, so I just took everything off the bike and let them have it. I had considered keeping it for the $1,600 salvage value they eventually offered, but the damn thing had 180,000 miles on the bike, 70,000 on the engine,trans & clutch, and 100,000 on the FD.

Most of the bodywork had some kind of damage; there was a hole in the crankcase cover, the shifter was broken, the windshield operating mechanism was completely totaled, and the handle bars were bent down to the tupperware.

I'm not sure what I'll be doing for a bike just yet; I may wait until spring.

The Gear: I had been given a set of First Gear's new TPG clothing to "test" just 10 days before the accident. There is a large tear in the left hip area of the pants that you can see the Knox armour through. There is also a tear in the left shoulder-to-upper arm area. The back of the jacket and pants have "skid marks", (the real kind :)), but did not wear through. My two-year-old First Gear winter gloves stayed on and have some tears at the finger tips. My Nolan X-1000 (?), bought new in July, hardly has a scratch on it.

All in all, I cannot recommend the TPG gear highly enough! I have been wearing an Aerostitch Roadcrafter for 11 years, and, since this was my first high-speed get off, I don't know how the 'Stitch would have held up, but the TPG worked fantastically. I literally did not have a scratch on me and, other than sore shoulders for several weeks, I didn't even sustain any bruises.

So, ATGATT!


George

bowlesj
Nov 12th, 2007, 2:36 pm
Really sorry to hear about your incident George. Any sized piece of ice or perceived patch of ice on the roadway can really raise the pucker factor.


Nice try on the save. Do you remember if you tried to pull in the clutch and coast over the patch? If so, apparently it didn't help any. I'm asking just for my own reference as to whether disengaging the clutch would help in that situation for future reference.

Glad your good to ride many more miles.

Later

murray
Nov 12th, 2007, 2:37 pm
George George George WOW !!

Saw your post on the IBDONE list glad you are OK. The ticket was a raw deal.Sounds like a good settlement, bet you can get a low mileage LT 2005 and up cheap.

mjac
Nov 12th, 2007, 3:01 pm
Sorry to read George. Glad you are ok.

Mike

BecketMa
Nov 12th, 2007, 3:47 pm
Wheeeeeeew!

And you walked away.

Bob

DaveDragon
Nov 12th, 2007, 4:32 pm
Glad to hear you walked away from this one George. ATGATT saves another Rider.

"A state trooper showed up a little while later, took my accident report, and gave me a citation for "excessive speed for conditions". What a pal!"

Something in their DNA makes them become a Prick at every opportunity.

DanMartin
Nov 12th, 2007, 4:40 pm
Glad you are OK George. I'm believing more and more in ATGATT. I totalled my '03 LT on Halloween when I hit a patch of oil in a curve. Walked away but with a 1" x 3" abrasion on left calf and a sore right wrist. Still waiting to hear from insurance.

Dan Martin
Houston, Tx

fas
Nov 12th, 2007, 4:44 pm
George,

Congrats on the high speed get-off outcome. You done good!

Your story is exactly why I don't ride when it gets under 40 degrees. Ice is very hard to see, especially at speed.

Enjoy shopping this winter.

Thanks for sharing your experience with the riding community.

I like my GT. Just changed the rubber and replaced the OE windshield.

ronk1200lt
Nov 12th, 2007, 5:15 pm
Any time you can lay your bike down on ice at 75 MPH and walk away with only a few minor aches has got to be a good day!

rodneyinmaypearltx
Nov 12th, 2007, 6:52 pm
Sorry to hear you totaled your LT George, but under the circumstances you oughta be jumping (ouch!) for joy (well, maybe saying "Thanks" anyway). It's like landing a plane... any one you walk away from was a good one.

So glad to hear you are ok because you were smart enough to ATGATT it.

Rodney

DavidTaylor
Nov 12th, 2007, 8:13 pm
Sorry to hear about the LT, George, but I'm really happy that you are OK. There are a bunch of bikes out there, you'll find one that suits you just fine!

rdwalker
Nov 12th, 2007, 9:32 pm
Good job, George!

Glad to hear about the POSITIVE outcome!

And, yes, the ticket is indeed intended to add insult to injury, in case you did not know. Like mine, couple of years ago, after collision with a left-turner: "I don't know what happened here, so I am writing you this summons; you can straighten it out in court". That's really what he said!

Well, then again, now you have the fun of the hunt: thinking what your next toy should be. Enjoy!

kevincook
Nov 12th, 2007, 11:28 pm
George,

I'm glad your OK!

It seems to me that the police should have some responsibility to not have the problem on the roadway corrected or to have closed the road. They had a couple of hours notice since the first car rolled over due to the ice. I'd fight that one in court. Maybe the judge will make the officer pay for your ticket personally for being a jerk.

Thanks for reminding me again to be careful of ice this time of year.

Kevin

rattler50
Nov 13th, 2007, 7:37 am
Why is it that when the state sees you are down, they feel the need to kick you and make a buck out of it themselves? Their idea of justice escapes me. Glad you are OK George. Hope you find a great new ride........... :rotf:

dlbushey
Nov 13th, 2007, 9:03 am
Why is it that when the state sees you are down, they feel the need to kick you and make a buck out of it themselves? Their idea of justice escapes me.

Way back in the winter of '87 I was headed out to San Diego (in my car, of course) transferring to the 7th duty station of my Navy career. While passing through Glenwood Springs, CO, I hit a patch of ice inside the tunnel on the Interstate and totaled the car. Luckily, I didn't have a scratch on me.

The LEO that arrived as first responder explained to me that because she had to write a report (And I needed that report for my insurance claim) and that it was a single vehicle accident and that I told her that I slid out on the ice...the department required that she give me a citation for violation of the basic speed law; driving too fast for conditions.

She told me she felt bad about it, but it was a rule she had to follow. Yeah, I felt like she poured salt in the wound, that "the (wo) Man" was kicking me while I was down, but then, I realized that the basic speed law really did apply here. You couldn't see inside the tunnel from the outside. I should have slowed down until I knew what I was getting into. I understood that she was just doing her job. It was nothing personal.

As a postscript to this story, since I had a police accident report that stated my car was not drivable, I qualified for the town's "Stranded Motorist" program and was put up in the Best Western at no charge for the night. Not including my increase in insurance premiums, the cost of the ticket made up for the hotel stay!

ibbones
Nov 13th, 2007, 9:47 am
What a way to mess up the day. It's a good think you are still here to tell us about it and give an update on the gear. What would have happened if you were not OK and those two cars coming around the bend you are still in the road? Good for you.

AlaskaFish
Nov 13th, 2007, 10:04 am
Glad to see you're OK George. ATGATT was obviously a good part of why you got through this and it just re-enforces the reason to always wear it. No matter how familiar the route, fate can jump up and grab you anywhere anytime!

Really sad that the LEO felt the need to issue the ticket though!

John

taylorjn
Nov 13th, 2007, 2:31 pm
George -
ATGATT wins again!! Good to hear another suit is out there that works. As to 'Stich, after scuff repair (and oil removal), mine is as good as new. And, we love the 07, as the 02 gave his life to save mine.
Have fun shopping!! :-)

lfclark
Nov 13th, 2007, 8:08 pm
You should buy a lotto ticket! You were lucky as hell! One you did't break anything in the fall and two no one ran over you.
Glad your ok.
L Clark Grand Rapids Michigan
PS Don't worry about the bike, it can be replaced.

Ted
Nov 13th, 2007, 8:41 pm
It seems to me that the police should have some responsibility to not have the problem on the roadway corrected or to have closed the road. They had a couple of hours notice since the first car rolled over due to the ice.

George -

Glad you are ok! As Kevin states, either the State or the Highway Dept could be held responsible for not clearing that ice sooner. Find out what time the 1st accident was reported and go speak with an attorney.

pickerbiker
Nov 13th, 2007, 9:11 pm
Wow, George. What a story. Glad to hear ATGATT saved you potentially devastating injury and a long recovery. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience. One question, though. What was the air temperature at the time? Just curious for my own future caution. Thanks.

airborne
Nov 13th, 2007, 10:15 pm
I also totaled a LT 2 years ago when I drew down on a deer. I was wearing First Gear Kilamanjaro jacket and pants.....walked away without a scratch....

The gear was worn in the same locations as yourself...also with the same insurance company...the Gear and the insurance company were great.Glad you are doing fine.

MTGMAN
Nov 14th, 2007, 12:18 am
Holy Cow! I'm glad you're OK. I worry when riding <39. Thank goodness for your safety riding gear. My neighbor rides a Harley and they rarely put on proper riding gear.
It's amazing how fast these things can happen eh?

:eek:

gunny
Nov 14th, 2007, 6:05 pm
Was the "Bridge may ice" sign up? If not, get you a lair, I mean lawyer and sic him on the state.

wkclark
Nov 14th, 2007, 7:14 pm
Can't help myself. Must now confirm your belief in my ignorance.
What is ATGATT? :confused:
Thanks ....
the new guy :rotf:

hallzee
Nov 14th, 2007, 7:40 pm
Can't help myself. Must now confirm your belief in my ignorance.
What is ATGATT? :confused:
Thanks ....
the new guy :rotf:
ATGATT - "All The Gear, All The Time"

MC4Fun
Nov 14th, 2007, 7:56 pm
Very good to hear that you are OK.
I am looking for new gear and this may be the ticket for me....

avonfloater
Nov 14th, 2007, 9:20 pm
Bummer, George - and you just got the LT broken in! It sounds like you've made the transition from iron butt to iron bod. Glad you're OK. I think I know that bridge in Glenwood Canyon!! Happy shopping.

Denny

GBarnes
Nov 16th, 2007, 4:04 pm
Was the "Bridge may ice" sign up? If not, get you a lair, I mean lawyer and sic him on the state.

Now that's funny! Here in CO, since the state & county agencies are so short of cash, those signs stay up pretty much all year. I keep looking for ice in July, but can't find it :)