NHTSA and final drive failures

[tmgs]

With All the talk and complaining of final drive failures all this time and on every damn board you look at.........

got me to take a quick look at the nhtsa site I only did two years of K1200LT

first I put in BMW 2003 K1200LT

I saw 4 final drive failures listed for the 2003 here is how they are listed!

1 was listed under POWER TRAIN DRIVELINE DRIVESHAFT
2 were listed under POWER TRAIN MANUAL TRANSMISSION
1 under was listed under SUSPENSION REAR

I then switched to 2002 K1200LT

5 are listed under POWER TRAIN DRIVELINE
1 is listed under POWER TRAIN DRIVELINE CENTER SUPPORT BEARING
5 are listed under POWER TRAIN DRIVELINE DIFFERENTIAL UNIT
2 are listed under - SERVICE BRAKES
HYDRAULIC ANTILOCK

yes Final drive failure listed under brakes!


here lies part of the problem, all these should have been listed under power train drive shaft IMHO

I remember a while back someone looking and finding one failed final drive under brakes and there are two listed under brakes

but the point is there are only 4 listed for 2003 and those four are listed in three different categories, 13 listed for 2002 in 4 different categories


That will not get the attention of the nhtsa

they will say we had 1 driveline fialure 2 trans failures 1 suspension failure for 2003 hmm 1 failure for dirvline is not going to do anything !!
same with '02 they look at failures per category even with a high of 5 units in one year that won't even ruffle a feather

doesn't do much good that way

Tom

[cfell]

GIGO... (filler space for the message tools)

[tmgs]

GIGO... (filler space for the message tools)

Huh?

is there a point to that?

tom

[LAF]

Huh?

is there a point to that?

tom
Garbage in Garbage out, GIGO.

Refers to data entry, only as good as the person putting it in.

[tmgs]

BTW so far there are none for any 2007 model year BMW motorcycle
for 2006 one GSA final drive and one RT final drive who listed it in 3 categories

[eljeffe]

If you go to our survey, we have 161 listed:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=results&sid=28

And if you haven't submitted yours yet, you can at:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=take&sid=28

[tmgs]

I know we have one, but has it been submitted to the NHTSA in a form showing just how many there have been so far?

I mean a survey is all well and good, but just handing it off to bmw na does no good right? or is there a better battle in store?

Tom



If you go to our survey, we have 161 listed:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=results&sid=28

And if you haven't submitted yours yet, you can at:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=take&sid=28

[cfell]

Huh?

is there a point to that?

tom

Sorry, Tom! yeah.. Garbage IN, Garbage OUT... basically means that a computer can't fix problems.. only find solutions using "good" data.

Which is why I'm waiting the relase of the DWIM chip..
Do
What
I
Mean ... because I don't always type things correctly.. and it would be great if the thing could take the Garbage I put in and FIX it.b

[Voyager]

If you go to our survey, we have 161 listed:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=results&sid=28

And if you haven't submitted yours yet, you can at:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=take&sid=28

It is great to have the survey and its data available here, but it would be much better if all 161 of these were logged with NHTSA.

Matt

[SilverBuffalo]

I am one of the two 2002 LT's listed on our survey under brakes,
that's because:........I followed the instructions

Be sure to list the Component Failure under the following category: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=results&sid=28

[tmgs]

Sorry, Tom! yeah.. Garbage IN, Garbage OUT... basically means that a computer can't fix problems.. only find solutions using "good" data.

Which is why I'm waiting the relase of the DWIM chip..
Do
What
I
Mean ... because I don't always type things correctly.. and it would be great if the thing could take the Garbage I put in and FIX it.b

hehe I get it now, I also need the dwim chip!

Particularly with my typo's!

<G>
Top < see

Tom

[tmgs]

I am one of the two 2002 LT's listed on our survey under brakes,
that's because:........I followed the instructions
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/survey.php?&do=results&sid=28

you followed directions, yes.

but one, it is not a brake failure, (I realize it could cause braking problems)

two, being in the correct category at the nhtsa site if all are put there might raise a flag


instead of the site having
1 brake related
1 rear diff related
1 suspension related
1 drive shaft related
1 final drive related

all under final drive there would be 5 final drive failures, we need more help than just this small community.

maybe just maybe that would throw the "flag" up I'm sure there is a certain number (and no idea of what number 5, 10, 50, ?) that will auto flag a particular complaint and make someone actually look at it, I know warranty worked that way at FOmoco at one time.


How many accidents did it take for the NHTSA to formally investigate Firestone? 1-5? I bet not!

10? 100?, perhaps it wasn't until there were so many deaths?