New LT is finally launched . .

[Woolly]

After years of speculation, straight from the BMW Motorrad International website. The new LT - looks pretty similar to the current GT, but has technical spec of the current LT (who checks their copy for them!!) . . .

[SanMan]

That's not an LT it's a GT! What the .... :confused:

Scott

[petevandyke]

either that, or BMW just neutered you GT guys' land rockets to the tune of about 50 HP!!!


:rotf: :histerica

[shadowofshoe]

Tell me this a photoshop joke ............PLEEEAAASE!!!!

Mike

[jzeiler]

Tell me this a photoshop joke ............PLEEEAAASE!!!!

Mike

Mike you hit he nail on the head. Read the specs "single disc dry clutch" does not match the GT.

[dshealey]

Tell me this a photoshop joke ............PLEEEAAASE!!!!

Mike

No doubt about it. Someone just pasted pictures of the GT on the current LT spec. sheet.

Not funny at all.

I'm still betting on a 6 cyl. LT.

[egs]

The specs say "LT" (including the 779 lb. dry weight!) but the pictures say "GT" ...

Maybe they just took the GT, de-tuned the engine and added ballast...

Either way, the piece looks fishy. If true, I'd better take very good care of my current bike 'cause the "new" one certainly doesn't appear to be the luxo-tourer the current one is.

[Woolly]

No doubt about it. Someone just pasted pictures of the GT on the current LT spec. sheet.

Not funny at all.

I'm still betting on a 6 cyl. LT.

No joke, no photoshop, that pdf is from the current BMW Motorrad International website. Someone is not checking what they put out. Because it's part of a 'FLASH' presentation, it's not easy to post the actual URL, but if you get stuck, I'll show you how to get it.

[kmurphy165]

Hmm, just as a point of interest, I just went to bmwmorrad.co.uk and that site shows the current K1200LT configuration.

Karl

[cccpastorjack]

HA!!!! HA!!!!! HA!!!!!! Wouldn't THAT be funny! :histerica I am ROFL!!! And so is everyone else who owns the 152 hp GT!!!

[Jerod521]

Telelever front end, WAD rear suspension, fully linked integrated ABS. Sounds like an 05 LT press sheet. If I understand correctly BMW is doing away with fully integrated abs any way. Plus those engine specs are for the current LT

[Woolly]

Hmm, just as a point of interest, I just went to bmwmorrad.co.uk and that site shows the current K1200LT configuration.

Karl

OK, I'll spell it all out. That PDF is from the BMW Motorrad International website,

http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/index.html

Click on 'Motorcycles' (2nd from left tab on LHS)

Click on K1200LT from drop down list


Click on 'Navigation' under K1200LT on the LHS, just a little down from the top

Go down to the bottom of the drop down list and click on 'downloads'


Click on 'Datasheet K1200Lt.pdf' and that is where it came from - no one is checking what BMW are publishing.

[cccpastorjack]

Yep, looks like Woolly's right! You boys are resigned to a 116 HP GT with a dry clutch! :histerica

[Texas42]

I'll just keep my 2002 or maybe upgrade to a 2007. Cindy doesn't like the back seat on the GT. Hopefully this is a mistake.

[Woolly]

After years of speculation, straight from the BMW Motorrad International website. The new LT - looks pretty similar to the current GT, but has technical spec of the current LT (who checks their copy for them!!) . . .

Can't believe this - the original post was done as a piss take of a mistake on a BM website, - now everyones saying - can't be true, Woollys making it up, Gonna hang on to my old LT etc. etc.

Loosen up guys, even my orginal thread said 'who checks their copy for them!!' - there is still no official evidence of a new LT.

[rkirker]

I'll just keep my 2002 or maybe upgrade to a 2007. Cindy doesn't like the back seat on the GT. Hopefully this is a mistake.

Hope sooo !!
Colors are also labeled wrong.
Wife would not like the change I fear.

[sheldan2]

If this is true then it looks like I won't be buying a new LT, will probably have to go with something else

[Jerod521]

Yeah I agree with that. GT here I come. Or maybe I'll keep the LT and get a GSA

[cccpastorjack]

Hey Guys....Can I let you in on a secret???


IT'S NOT TRUE


But, don't tell anyone...'cause it's great fun whatchin' all you LT'ers scramble around screamin' "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

:histerica :histerica :histerica :histerica

[Ranger]

At least follow Wooly's site navigation, the file is posted on BMW's website. Who, other than Jack, can say that it is not true? At least offer some reference from BMW as Wooly did.

Personally, I don't care for the pictures on this pdf, it's not a touring machine anymore at that point.

[Daman858]

They even have the black one labeled as biarritz blue and visie-versie. Woolly, I got a ocean front property in Kansas I wanna sell ya.

The moron that did the photo-shop stuff put the wrong color bike with the text! Must be a gov-mint computer guy.

Whoa! Woolly's correct. Must be a BMW web site developer asleep at the switch!!

I'll just keep that ocean front property and admire it as I eat some crow.

[shadowofshoe]

Tell me this a photoshop joke ............PLEEEAAASE!!!!

Mike


Sorry..still don't even come close to buying it(pun intended)!!!!!!!

Mike

[Newf]

I think it must be someone who went from a LT to a GT and is disappointed with his gas mileage....................Yeap that's it......

[grifscoots]

I think it must be someone who went from a LT to a GT and is disappointed with his gas mileage....................Yeap that's it......Especially since the GT gets better mileage than an LT. Very dissapointing, indeed.

[cfell]

haha.... ok, who calls that an LT? pfft..

[Lee510]

I don't know so much about the GT's, but if that's a 2008 LT, BMW has swapped the exhaust and FD's on them.

I know my exhaust is on the left, because I (gulp) washed the LT this evening. I know LT's aren't supposed to be washed, ridden only. Take a look at my cars and you'll know I'm a firm believer in letting sleeping dirt lie. Since I don't have windshield wipers on the LT, I have to clean the windshield to be able to see through it and the rest doesn't take me that much longer.

[bibleman]

That PDF is so frought with details revealing it's falsehood, I can't imagine ANYONE taking is seriously.

It's not even good enough to be considered a poor forgery.

[Woolly]

That PDF is so frought with details revealing it's falsehood, I can't imagine ANYONE taking is seriously.

It's not even good enough to be considered a poor forgery.

To reiterate, that is a genuine, unadulterated pdf from BMW's own website.

[rglassma]

Hmm.... Someone's head is going to roll over this one..... That's what happens when you have people in your graphics arts department that don't know your product line. Imagine this one must have gone from the dimwit that made the change to the manager of the dimwit to the IT QA department and everyone that signed off on the change to the IT guy that posted it.. Gee, doesn't anyone know anything about motorcycles over there??

Make's you wonder about what goes on there........

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Either BMW has lost their mind or will be loosing some staff and loads of us LT customers. Honda must be laughing and will be doing so all the way to the bank..

Let's see, I have an '03. Lots of model years ahead of mine. I think I should be satisfied for a good long time. Then, maybe i'll buy an '05, '06 or '07 ...

I'm not worried.

[dwsdad]

Looks like someone fell asleep at the pdf maker. If you look at the catalog right next to the datasheet, it shows only pictures of the current style LT.

[jaskjb]

Also, if you open the pdf's for both the GT and LT - same bike pictures on both brochures.

[bibleman]

To reiterate, that is a genuine, unadulterated pdf from BMW's own website.

So many errors:

Paragraph 1: Sentence 1 "neverending" Typo.
Paragraph 1: Sentence 4 "The seathas..." Typo.
Bike pics: Color descriptions don't match the bikes above them

Finally, it just doesn't pass the smell test for reasons that others have posted.

[messenger13]

No doubt about it. Someone just pasted pictures of the GT on the current LT spec. sheet.

Not funny at all.

:histerica I am ROFL!!! And so is everyone else who owns the 152 hp GT!!!

Woolly, This is the funniest thread I've read in a long time. Thanks my friend. I needed the laughs. http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/ImaPoser.gif And, "Good eye!" catching the mothership's faux pau. http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/super.gif

[kmurphy165]

Hey Guys....Can I let you in on a secret???


IT'S NOT TRUE



Hmmm, kinda reminds me of my reaction now to my memories of all the hellfire and damnation sermons I was forced to listen to on Sundays as a kid.

Karl
recovering baptist

[K1200LTryder]

I think it may have been Gunter's last day as a graphic artist for BMW's marketing division.

[Woolly]

So many errors:

Paragraph 1: Sentence 1 "neverending" Typo.
Paragraph 1: Sentence 4 "The seathas..." Typo.
Bike pics: Color descriptions don't match the bikes above them

Finally, it just doesn't pass the smell test for reasons that others have posted.

For FEKS sake, it is a mistake on the BMW international website. To err is human, to ur?? is just thick. Read the threads in this post. To spell it out AGAIN, some Bozo on the BMW website has posted GT pictures on the LT tech spec. This is not difficult - someone has made a mistake. To quote me again That PDF is from the BMW Motorrad International website,

http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/index.html

Click on 'Motorcycles' (2nd from left tab on LHS)

Click on K1200LT from drop down list


Click on 'Navigation' under K1200LT on the LHS, just a little down from the top

Go down to the bottom of the drop down list and click on 'downloads'


Click on 'Datasheet K1200Lt.pdf' and that is where it came from - no one is checking what BMW are publishing.

It is not a photoshopped pdf, it is not a wind up, it is an ERROR. I posted this origionally as a bit of humor, but I can't believe how manny of you have bitten, and so hard.

[rixchard]

[b][size=7]It is not a photoshopped pdf, it is not a wind up, it is an ERROR. I posted this origionally as a bit of humor, but I can't believe how manny of you have bitten, and so hard.

But wasn't the point to see how many WOULD bite? :0

[Woolly]

But wasn't the point to see how many WOULD bite? :0

Yeah, but thats for you to know and others to find out :):).

[messenger13]

But wasn't the point to see how many WOULD bite? :0I think Woolly just administered a very accurate Moron Exam. And as usual, the Americans are passing with flying colors. Thank God I'm European! :D

[Woolly]

I think Woolly just administered a very accurate Moron Exam. And as usual, the Americans are passing with flying colors. Thank God I'm European! :D

I am just :rotf::histerica:histerica and a bit of :p over the last 24 hours.

[cccpastorjack]

Well...like I always say, "If being in the kitchen makes you an American...what are you if your in the bathroom?

European!!!!! :histerica :histerica :histerica



Didn't fool this old boy for a second. ;)

[stevea2980]

I think Woolly just administered a very accurate Moron Exam. And as usual, the Americans are passing with flying colors. Thank God I'm European! :D

Well not to get too political here BUT if you examine the last 100 years or so historically I would much rather be an "American" Moron than a "European" Moron.

Gettr Done!!!

Proud to be an American Moron waiting for the new LT!!!

Later

Steve A

[myk_edwards]

Dear Mr. Edwards,

We know that there are wrong pictures on the datasheet of BMW K 1200 LT and have already sent a message to the relevant specialist department. They will be able to correct the datasheet.

Kind Regards,
BMW Motorrad Direct

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Bayerische Motoren Werke Aktiengesellschaft Board of Management: Norbert Reithofer, Chairman, Frank-Peter Arndt, Ernst Baumann, Klaus Draeger, Michael Ganal, Stefan Krause Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Joachim Milberg Registered in: Munich HRB 42243
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Bloody Germans, and I'm half German......

[K1200LTryder]

Well not to get too political here BUT if you examine the last 100 years or so historically I would much rather be an "American" Moron than a "European" Moron.

Gettr Done!!!

Proud to be an American Moron waiting for the new LT!!!

Later

Steve A


I'm kinda leaning towards getting a GT...keeping the LT for sure. The idea of over 150hp has piqued my interest.

I really cant see much more improvement in the LT without making it more "rotund".

[Woolly]

Dear Mr. Edwards,

We know that there are wrong pictures on the datasheet of BMW K 1200 LT and have already sent a message to the relevant specialist department. They will be able to correct the datasheet.

Kind Regards,
BMW Motorrad Direct

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Bayerische Motoren Werke Aktiengesellschaft Board of Management: Norbert Reithofer, Chairman, Frank-Peter Arndt, Ernst Baumann, Klaus Draeger, Michael Ganal, Stefan Krause Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Joachim Milberg Registered in: Munich HRB 42243
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Bloody Germans, and I'm half German......

:histerica . . . . . . . . . . . . ..

[cccpastorjack]

I'm kinda leaning towards getting a GT...keeping the LT for sure. The idea of over 150hp has piqued my interest.

I really cant see much more improvement in the LT without making it more "rotund".


How about "dependable"????? :histerica

Go ahead and attack, but I seriously would suggest an engine more like the GT's...maybe designed for more torque than the GT...with the new engine would come a dependable, wet clutch...let's see, maybe a rear drive that doesn't fail as often...maybe an "off" switch on the ignition that actually means "off" and doesn't kill the battery...fix wobble in front end...tranny seals that don't leak....etc...

Uuuuhhhh, naw, I can't think of any improvements for the LT. Sorry.... :rolleyes:

[Woolly]

...maybe an "off" switch on the ignition that actually means "off" and doesn't kill the battery...

New one on me, . . . explain ??

[grifscoots]

New one on me, . . . explain ??The LT has a lot of parasitic load, even when the bike is in full lock position. The radio, cd player, etc.

[K1200LTryder]

How about "dependable"?????

Go ahead and attack, but I seriously would suggest an engine more like the GT's...maybe designed for more torque than the GT...with the new engine would come a dependable, wet clutch...let's see, maybe a rear drive that doesn't fail as often...maybe an "off" switch on the ignition that actually means "off" and doesn't kill the battery...fix wobble in front end...tranny seals that don't leak....etc...

Uuuuhhhh, naw, I can't think of any improvements for the LT. Sorry....
__________________
Jack Homesley


I see your point there Jack, and no need to attack it. The one year anniversary of my LT ownership is coming up soon, and so far the machine has been trouble free. I ride it nearly everyday, and am still amazed at the quality of the ride and the machine. Yes I have replaced the brake pads, both front and rear, along with all fluids being changed. I check the tire pressures once a month and every other month I have to add air to the front tire, but no wobbling issues whatsoever. ( cant seem to find a leak either )

The electrics seem to be fine, I just make sure everything is OFF before I dismount.

I know that someday I will have to replace the clutch, but to me that is no big deal, and will most definately will be a learning experience. I make a tidy sum on side jobs replacing wet clutches on other bikes, among other things. ( a mechanic is NEVER semi-retired )

All that being said, I guess I have had enough experience on other bikes to know when I have a REALLY good one.

BMW did it right in my books when it comes to the LT, for me it is a perfect motorcycle, and any improvements would blow me away.


I guess I just got a good one ( but if I get a chance to rip through the gears on a GT, it may mean a trip to the loan officer is in my future)

:bmw:

[cccpastorjack]

Oh, I know all that stuff and frankly, even with ALL the problems I had with my LT, I still loved it. But...I JUST LOVE SEEING ALL YOU GUYS GET YOUR PANTIES IN A KNOT!!!! :histerica

[cccpastorjack]

New one on me, . . . explain ??


You leave that sucker in the OFF position for about three to four weeks w/o a battery tender and you'll understand! :p

[K1200LTryder]

Oh, I know all that stuff and frankly, even with ALL the problems I had with my LT, I still loved it. But...I JUST LOVE SEEING ALL YOU GUYS GET YOUR PANTIES IN A KNOT!!!! :histerica


WOW....that GT has gotten into yer....ohhhh....nevemind... :rotf:

[K1200LTryder]

You leave that sucker in the OFF position for about three to four weeks w/o a battery tender and you'll understand! :p




Try a Honda with an analog clock......if you get a week outa yer battery yer lucky....nuff said.

[K1200LTryder]

Oh, I know all that stuff and frankly, even with ALL the problems I had with my LT, I still loved it. But...I JUST LOVE SEEING ALL YOU GUYS GET YOUR PANTIES IN A KNOT!!!! :histerica



Panties ????

Sorry, but I just dont go there....to each his own I guess.

I do some times get willnots....you know, those little balls of s*&t that get stuck on the hair on yer a$$ that will not come off...


:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[spinedr]

Panties ????

Sorry, but I just dont go there....to each his own I guess.

I do some times get willnots....you know, those little balls of s*&t that get stuck on the hair on yer a$$ that will not come off...


:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Those are call dingle berries not willnots :histerica :histerica NASTY!!! ;)

[cccpastorjack]

Oh yea...How about some shift linkage we can actually trust to never leave us stranded...or riding home in third gear! :histerica

[messenger13]

I do some times get willnots....you know, those little balls of s*&t that get stuck on the hair on yer a$$ that will not come off...
Those are call dingle berries not willnots :histerica :histerica NASTY!!! ;)No, you're both wrong! They're called "KlingOns". That's why the Starship Enterprise circled Uranus all those years. :rolleyes:

[messenger13]

Oh yea...How about some shift linkage we can actually trust to never leave us stranded...or riding home in third gear! :histericaMine only broke twice. And then it broke with the new owner as well. :eek: So three times in 50K miles isn't too too bad, is it?! ;)

[cccpastorjack]

Mine only broke twice. And then it broke with the new owner as well. :eek: So three times in 50K miles isn't too too bad, is it?! ;)


Not for a BMW!!!! :histerica

[messenger13]

Not for a BMW!!!! :histericaBe nice Pastor Jack! It's still free!!! :D

[cccpastorjack]

I can't believe it...JOE telling ME to be nice. :confused:

Hey, I am...I just like to face the truth too. I am a realist at heart. But, as I said earlier, I loved my LT...it just had some dependability issues. I stayed with the brand...just changed models. ;)

[Newf]

Especially since the GT gets better mileage than an LT. Very dissapointing, indeed.


I have no experience with it. I am just going by what I have read on this site. Users who say that the extra horse power is the cost of getting less mileage.

[Newf]

Oh yea...How about some shift linkage we can actually trust to never leave us stranded...or riding home in third gear! :histerica


Me thinks you got a lemon :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[Voyager]

I can't believe it...JOE telling ME to be nice. :confused:

Hey, I am...I just like to face the truth too. I am a realist at heart. But, as I said earlier, I loved my LT...it just had some dependability issues. I stayed with the brand...just changed models. ;)

Is the GT final drive design really substantially different from the LT?

Matt

[grifscoots]

Is the GT final drive design really substantially different from the LT?

MattWell, it has the hole thru it, like the new GS and RT (which have also had failures). It is 200 lbs lighter. It's like everythang else mechanical, some break, some don't.

[grifscoots]

I have no experience with it. I am just going by what I have read on this site. Users who say that the extra horse power is the cost of getting less mileage.I got about 38 mpg at sea level with my chipped and piped LT. I get almost 45 on the GT and I'm not light on the throttle:D

[cccpastorjack]

Me thinks you got a lemon :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Yea...could be. Thought of another one to "improve" on...

How about some fuel disconnects that don't leak.... :D

[messenger13]

How about some fuel disconnects that don't leak.... :DAw! What fun would that be??? Mine only leaked once! And I helped Channing fix his down in Texas...in a parking lot. Good times! Good times!!! :p