New low for a HD rider

[Montycs]

My wife and I were coming back from Denver last weekend on a back road to Castle Rock. The traffic was pretty slow and heavy and it was pretty warm. Creeping along there was a HD rider behind us. He followed for about 15 minutes and when I left a space between the long line of cars in front and myself he went passed, opened his throttle to let me know he had load pipes then spit in our direction.My wife was pretty amazed that any rider would do that.

[BMWphreak]

1%er... Hopefully, Darwinian selection will take its course...

[tmgs]

My wife and I were coming back from Denver last weekend on a back road to Castle Rock. The traffic was pretty slow and heavy and it was pretty warm. Creeping along there was a HD rider behind us. He followed for about 15 minutes and when I left a space between the long line of cars in front and myself he went passed, opened his throttle to let me know he had load pipes then spit in our direction.My wife was pretty amazed that any rider would do that.

so you didn't catch up to him and kick his arse?

or at least ask why he did such a thing?

[tmgs]

1%er... Hopefully, Darwinian selection will take its course...


Bullshit , that was no 1%'r they wouldn't have wasted thier time.

[D.Kinsey]

so you didn't catch up to him and kick his arse?

or at least ask why he did such a thing?

I was just think'in the exact same thing as I read this post!!!

[CharlieVT]

and anger fade (my reaction to this would be wholly pissed at first), then stop and consider: This guy on the HD has gone through life, and will continue for as long as he lives, to suffer a huge lack of true self esteem. He fundamentally doesn't feel good about himself in any regard. The best he can do in search of pseudo-self esteem is look down on you for not having a "real motorcycle". Stop and think about it, this guy is really a tragic character. He probably has a very small Johnson, never knew his father, his mother probably didn't like him very much, the few friends he has all all dim bulbs like himself, and they all reassure each other by telling themselves and each other how stupid everyone else in the world is compared to themselves. Rather than getting angry (why should you let such a simpleton like that get you angry?), you should regard him as a pathetic creature, deserving of understanding and pity.
Beyond that, with a dispassionate state of mind, devoid of anger or thoughts of retribution, he should be summarily shot.
;)


My wife and I were coming back from Denver last weekend on a back road to Castle Rock. The traffic was pretty slow and heavy and it was pretty warm. Creeping along there was a HD rider behind us. He followed for about 15 minutes and when I left a space between the long line of cars in front and myself he went passed, opened his throttle to let me know he had load pipes then spit in our direction.My wife was pretty amazed that any rider would do that.

[lurch102]

My wife and I were coming back from Denver last weekend on a back road to Castle Rock.

Sorry to hear about the lack of respect from fellow riders.

Just curious which "back road" you were taking? Castle Rock is my home town (or at least WAS, prior to becoming part of the greater front range metropolis).

[Londonlad]

I'm trying to figure this one out. I think most are saying that putting this same rude dude on a Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, etc., would have cured him from being so boorish??? Cheers

[rglassma]

I see lots of riders going up and down Highway 85 (Santa Fe in South Metro)that runs from Denver to Castle Rock factory outlet.. Is that the one????

I see more Harley rider on that road then just about anywhere else. Doesn't surprise me. There are a couple of biker bars down that way and he may have had a few too many...

[wardenross]

This kinda stuff just happens sometimes. Fools are everywhere.

After reading this, I'm thankful he didn't spit on your wife. That would be a different story indeed!

[cccpastorjack]

Did he spit AT you or IN YOUR DIRECTION? Just wondering...and by the way, you did the right thing in just ignoring him. With you wife on the back, to carry it to the next level would have been senseless and dangerous. It just bums me that people have to act that way...regardless of what they are riding.

[jayjacobson]

Never said this before, BUT, that might make him a bad person!

[UncleRock]

1%er... Hopefully, Darwinian selection will take its course...
Thats a pretty stupid comment. If you knew anything, you would understand that your a non entity-you don't even exist in the 1% world.
Stereo typical BS, from media shaped minds.
Rock

[rando]

I hate when people act so stupidly. I'm so amused lately, by HDs print ads in the magazines. It just makes me cringe. Take a look at them. Compare them to others. See how many HD ads even have a bike that is NOT PARKED. Nothing like the BMW XPLOR ads where folks are actually RIDING the bikes. All about telling you what kind of man you really are when you buy HD.

And the whole marketing machine is just out to make them all feel like "individuals", even though there are a blue million of them out there. They are no more individual than anyone else. Good grief! I only wish I had a product that stirred that kind, or even this kind of emotion and could market it.

Sorry about the spitting incident, but there are so many folks out there that have to behave this way to make themselves feel validated(?). Why bother. Don;t blame you for being irritated.

Randy

[ldbikin]

I had a busted fuel QD cause me to get a tow to Ft Wayne, Ind. BMW, 350 bucks for the tow, 50 bucks for the fix :eek:

Anyways, it was about 100 miles, this HD numbnutz passes us, no gear of course, and whips us the bird when pulling back into the lane...real cute.

even the tow truck driver said 'what an a-hole'....

[grifscoots]

I stopped to help an old boy who lost one of his exhaust pipes on one of the nicest looking, rat bike, pan head, hand shift trikes I've seen in a long time. It was a few weeks back in the leetle town of Sattler, Texas. Huge tourist area, lots of bikes going thru and I was the only one helping him, though they all looked as they went by. Reckon the GT kept them away?

I was able to reattach it to the head with my tools and we used one of his leather boot strings as a hanger. He only lived up the road a piece and owns a business called Skull Creek BBQ at the lake. Guess who and his wife got a free dinner?

The funny thang was he, as a long time Harley rider, was disparaging the shit out of all the poseurs who just rode by and looked (I rode HD for 27 years meself and purdy much feel the same way about poseurs).

It's not what you ride, but your attitude in general.

We have a nice couple who just moved into our neighborhood and they both ride some real nice looking Harley Davidsons. I see them on the road quite a bit and wave at them and they always turn their noses up at me. He actually flipped me off one time. I was driving by their casa one day in la trucka and saw them out in the yard. Stopped and introduced myself. They were just as nice as you could please. The conversation eventually turned to bikes and he asked me if I rode. I told him I did and I was the feller on the BMW he flipped off the other day and would he care to do it to my face. He got all red faced and apoligized.

[ibbones]

It's not what you ride, but your attitude in general.

I told him I did and I was the feller on the BMW he flipped off the other day and would he care to do it to my face. He got all red faced and apoligized.Most of the HD croud thay would flip you off will only do it on the bike while they are moving. They become a whole different person while stopped or off the bike.

[Dick]

...snipped.....

We have a nice couple who just moved into our neighborhood and they both ride some real nice looking Harley Davidsons. I see them on the road quite a bit and wave at them and they always turn their noses up at me. He actually flipped me off one time. I was driving by their casa one day in la trucka and saw them out in the yard. Stopped and introduced myself. They were just as nice as you could please. The conversation eventually turned to bikes and he asked me if I rode. I told him I did and I was the feller on the BMW he flipped off the other day and would he care to do it to my face. He got all red faced and apoligized.
Hey, let's invite him to your next tech session!?! Hang a 'flip-finger' poster right above his head, off the last tree overhang, so's he cain't miss it comin' down the driveway!!! And then after munchies, we'll cut him the biggest slice off one of them Dolly Parton pies!! Reckon he'll wave atcha now??? ;) :D :D

[petevandyke]

he was probably trying to help his air-cooled v-twin cool down by spitting on it and missed...


sorry you and more importantly your missus had to experience that.

Pete

[gpolakow]

The moron who spit at you would be a moron no matter what he was riding. However, I must say, I can't imagine someone on a beemer doing anything so low class, rude, and hostile. But as someone else pointed out, you are more likely to do that kind of thing when you have zero self-esteem. Still, it would be fun to have your wife let the air out of his tires at a rest stop in the desert while you kept him calm by placing your boot on his throat.

[slingblade]

and anger fade (my reaction to this would be wholly pissed at first), then stop and consider: This guy on the HD has gone through life, and will continue for as long as he lives, to suffer a huge lack of true self esteem. He fundamentally doesn't feel good about himself in any regard. The best he can do in search of pseudo-self esteem is look down on you for not having a "real motorcycle". Stop and think about it, this guy is really a tragic character. He probably has a very small Johnson, never knew his father, his mother probably didn't like him very much, the few friends he has all all dim bulbs like himself, and they all reassure each other by telling themselves and each other how stupid everyone else in the world is compared to themselves. Rather than getting angry (why should you let such a simpleton like that get you angry?), you should regard him as a pathetic creature, deserving of understanding and pity.
Beyond that, with a dispassionate state of mind, devoid of anger or thoughts of retribution, he should be summarily shot.
;)

Very wise and insightful advise !!!! (assuming that last part was in jest ;) )

[Ted]

...I told him I did and I was the feller on the BMW he flipped off the other day and would he care to do it to my face. He got all red faced and apoligized.

nice! did he happen to mention WHY he flipped you off?

[fas]

and anger fade (my reaction to this would be wholly pissed at first), ..... Stop and think about it, this guy is really a tragic character. He probably has a very small Johnson, never knew his father, his mother probably didn't like him very much, the few friends he has all all dim bulbs like himself, and they all reassure each other by telling themselves and each other how st.
;)


His Mom probably left him and ran off with a BMW rider!

If he spit at me I would have been forced to ram his dumb ass. Blame it on the ABS and tell the cops it was a riding accident.

[hallzee]

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[tmgs]

I'm trying to figure this one out. I think most are saying that putting this same rude dude on a Triumph, Honda, Kawasaki, etc., would have cured him from being so boorish??? Cheers

what most on this board do not realize is just how many serious BMW riders own Harley's as well. or should I say serious rider in general.

if you grouped all BMW riders by model I think the LT owners would in general have less miles

I bet LT owners would in general have less miles than Harley riders

if you went back 20 years, one to one HD riders would have more miles than this group as well

I see more low mileage Lt's than I do any other model BMW or GW

then again it's more than likely the group of riders I know as many of the hd riders I know put pretty serious miles on them as well

what's even more funny as we jump up and down just how great or beloved K1200LT is the number one group of IBA members are Harley Davidson owners, if you go to the MTF it seems the number one MC represented there is ALSO Harley Davidson

than take all that info and still the average mile per year on had is somewhere under 5k miles a year

but they make a bazillion of them

Still the number one leader in the IBA? -
Harley Davidson as of 2005, I bet it is higher today

what does this all mean? Who knows.....

Still - direct from the IBA website

Ride Statistics by Motorcycle brand May 2005 (complied by Scott Leahy)

Harley-Davidson 6650
Honda 5917
BMW 4878
Yamaha 1491
Kawasaki 1472
Suzuki 655
Triumph 288
Moto Guzzi 119
Ducati 82
Victory 74
Buell 43
Aprilia 37
Indian 18
KTM 17
Boss Hoss 12
Cagiva 10
Excelsior-Henderson 7
Laverda 5
Norton 4
Ural 4
Volkswagen 3
CA Custom 2
CMC 2
MV 2
Piaggio 2
Moto Morini 1
Big Dog 1
BSA 1
DRS 1
Gilera 1
Hyosung 1
MZ 1
Royal Enfield 1
Titan 1
Tomos 1

[gr8fulfred]

Still the number one leader in the IBA? -
Harley Davidson as of 2005, I bet it is higher today

what does this all mean? Who knows.....

Still - direct from the IBA website

Ride Statistics by Motorcycle brand May 2005 (complied by Scott Leahy)

Harley-Davidson 6650
Honda 5917
BMW 4878

If you go back 12 years from 2005 (the first year IBA ceritfied SS 1000's) and estimated the total # of Harleys sold (I would guess an average of 175,000/year) it would equal 2,100,000. 6650 IBA members equals .3 percent, or 3 out of every 1000. The total # of BMWs sold in that same period ( I would guess an average of 12,000/year, some one correct me if I am way off) equals 144,000. 4878 IBA members equals 3.4 percent, or more than 3 out of every 100, a significantly higher percentage, a statistic that I interpret to mean that, if a general statement is to be made, BMW owners tend to ride their bikes more, not less, than Harley owners.

[BMWphreak]

Thats a pretty stupid comment. If you knew anything, you would understand that your a non entity-you don't even exist in the 1% world.
Stereo typical BS, from media shaped minds.
Rock


Rock, so you are basically standing up for this guy? (the spitter) Ok, I should have said asshole instead of 1%er. I think you have a different meaning for 1%er than I do, and I'll admit I am ignorant if that is the case. Geez, I was just trying to show a brother some support!

[jayjacobson]

....If you knew anything, you would understand that your a non entity-you don't even exist in the 1% world.Rock
I was told this just last week......

[tmgs]

If you go back 12 years from 2005 (the first year IBA ceritfied SS 1000's) and estimated the total # of Harleys sold (I would guess an average of 175,000/year) it would equal 2,100,000. 6650 IBA members equals .3 percent, or 3 out of every 1000. The total # of BMWs sold in that same period ( I would guess an average of 12,000/year, some one correct me if I am way off) equals 144,000. 4878 IBA members equals 3.4 percent, or more than 3 out of every 100, a significantly higher percentage, a statistic that I interpret to mean that, if a general statement is to be made, BMW owners tend to ride their bikes more, not less, than Harley owners.


well if you read my post again you will see that, however what you will also see is the LT owners ride less than the average other bmw rider along with hd riders

so Lt riders do not do the miles like the other BMW riders and or HD riders and more than likely other brands as well

[Montycs]

Lurch..

We were coming down Sante Fe just about to Happy Canyon Road. Normally it is a pleasant ride,

[Montycs]

Yes spitting on the wife would have ended the story a bit differently. And it wasn't the HD it was the rider. I would have wrote about this if it was another beemer. I wasn't going to ask him what was up his buttocks no telling what would have happened. I would like to think he was just spitting a bug out, but when we were only 5 feet to his side and there was a wide field to his right, it made me wonder.

[jwd98056]

To put a few more statistics from the IBA certification data out there:

BMW K1100 | 372 | 7.6%
BMW K1200 Other | 374 | 7.7%
BMW K1200LT | 1101 | 22.6%
BMW R1100 | 1509 | 30.9%
BMW R1150 | 1195 | 24.5%
BMW R1200 | 237 | 4.9%
BMW Other | 90 | 1.8%
Total | 4878

Considering that the statistics cover 1980 to 2006 (26 years), the LT was only available from 1999 (7 Years) and the LT accounts for almost 1/4 of all the BMW certifications I would say that LT riders are pulling their weight and then some as far as LD riding is concerned.

[gr8fulfred]

so Lt riders do not do the miles like the other BMW riders and or HD riders and more than likely other brands as well
I would agree that there seems to be a disproportionate amount of low mileage LTs out there considering it is supposed to be a long distance ride. The oilheads seem to be the ones who ride the most. You can look at what bikes are in the IBA Rally and it is mostly GSs, RTs, FJRs and Honda STs, the LT is under represented at only 2 or 3. (Also pretty rare to find any HDs in the Rally) But in my experience, as limited as it is with 37 years of riding all kinds of bikes, I find the higher mileage HD to be a rarity, not the norm. I know they are out there because I meet them on the road, some of the nicest people you could meet, but here in town there seems to be a sort of pride of non-riding that permeates the HD culture. Harleys with any sort of above average miles are considered unsellable and unwanted. I still believe that, on average, the LT rider is putting on more miles than the average HD owner, and as for the other brands, the Goldwing and maybe the ST1300 riders would be the only ones I could see doing more. I'm going to guess that the one who spit at Montycs was probably not in the group of serious, high mileage HD riders.

[cfell]

Ok, let's put this to bed forever...

Here is a pic of a dear friend... he is an HD rider and always will be.

His wife bought this t-shirt and gave it to him... She is working on the Halos.. one for each of them...

http://www.bmwlt.com/gallery/files/5/8/0/3/ahole.jpg

[jayjacobson]

His wife bought this t-shirt and gave it to him... She is working on the Halos.. one for each of them...
http://www.bmwlt.com/gallery/files/5/8/0/3/ahole.jpg
My kind of shirt. Just perfect for that big job interview....

[UncleRock]

Rock, so you are basically standing up for this guy? (the spitter) Ok, I should have said asshole instead of 1%er. I think you have a different meaning for 1%er than I do, and I'll admit I am ignorant if that is the case. Geez, I was just trying to show a brother some support!
No thats not what I'm saying at all. The guy that spit is not in the topic.
I have stayed and partied, been a guest in many 1%er club houses over the years.
You speak of things you know not about,
Quoted writing on the wall
"Look at the man across the table, unless you will defend him, to death.
Place him above all others in your life.
Take half of all you own and give to him in his time of need.
Spend all of your time to gather half for him from other brothers in his time of need.
If you can not do this, leave now, he is not your brother."
Maybe I'll take you sometime, it can be a real eye opener (or closer if you act like that post :D )
Rock

[tmgs]

Rock, so you are basically standing up for this guy? (the spitter) Ok, I should have said asshole instead of 1%er. I think you have a different meaning for 1%er than I do, and I'll admit I am ignorant if that is the case. Geez, I was just trying to show a brother some support!

Then you do not have a clue what a 1%'r is, it is not just a rider, it is not particularly just anyone who rides a HD, it is not someone who in partiuclar is a jerk.

When I was run over, the first friends at my door willing to help (and brought a handfull of cash)were 1% r's full patch wearing 1%'rs.

they are a different breed althorghter most of them who make it any time in a club, know what the meaning of brother hood is

[jwd98056]

I don't believe you can really look at the IBR participant list and draw any conclusions about LT owner riding habits. The use of full up touring bikes has steadily declined from IBR to IBR. The number of both LTs and Gold Wings in the 2005 IBR were less than half of the numbers in the 2003 IBR. This is probably due to a number of factors but the increasing number of checkpoints, usually high point valued, that require off pavement travel is surely one reason. Boxers are also easier to repair on the road and dual sports have a lot less fairings to deal with. This can all equate to less idle time and make a difference in where you end up in the standings or the difference between finishing or not finishing.

Look at the top five finishers for the last four IBRs. In 1999 4 of the top 5 were on touring bikes. In 2001 only 1 of the top 5 rode a touring bike. In 2003 and 2005 the first touring bike in the standings was 11th place. Dual Sports and Sport Touring bikes are dominating the top ten places. So serious IBR participants are going to migrate to the platform that maximizes their odds to finish and place higher in the standings. It's not a race but it is a competition. Those participants that are just in it to say they finished an IBR might not be so choosy.

The declining trend of large touring bikes participating in the IBR is due to competitive factors and the evolution of the IBR to include off pavement routes. Overall the percentage if IBA members that actually ever participate in an IBR is relatively small and that group does not represent any "average" segment of the motorcycle riding community. Even the IBA membership falls well outside the norm for the overall community of riders. In fact most riders and non-riders are befuddled by why anyone would want to run an SS1000 or other IBA qualifying ride let alone the IBR. That being said even the IBA certifcation data does not give a really acurate picture of the "average" K1200LT motorcyle owners riding habits.

If you go looking for something you are more likely to find it than if you are not looking for that something :). Until I was looking for low mileage K1200LTs I didn't think there was a good chance of finding any. I found one and now that I own one I am more aware of and participate in more venues pertaining to K1200LTs. Guess what, I see low mileage K1200LTs coming out of the woodwork. The same thing happened when I was looking for a low mileage a HD Heritage Softail and an R1200GS. I found them, bought them and they seem to be coming out of the woodwork too. Funny how that works.

At least that's my $0.02 worth on the IBR, the IBA, garage queens, perceptions of other peoples riding habits, the mysteries of how self interest colors our perceptions and lies, damn lies and statistics. The only really good thing I am sure about is that I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once :histerica.

[tmgs]

I don't believe you can really look at the IBR participant list and draw any conclusions about LT owner riding habits.


No you can't that is just my perpsective
the fact is there are more harleys doing IBA certs.

Many on this list seems to think Harley riders do not ride and for the most part there are many that do not,

but one on one I bet there are far more serious riders on hd's than on K1200lt's, at least that is my expereince and again maybe it is because the groups of riders i know,

but face it there are just not many K1200lt's with more than 100 k on them compared to Harleys, (very very seldom do I see a lt with 100k or close to it even.

I bet if done on a percentage basis of fl's to K12LT the hds have more miles per bike

I'm not knocking the LT mind you, it's just there are a ton of harley's out there with many many miles on them, there have been for yyears and there always will be.

[tmgs]

I would agree that there seems to be a disproportionate amount of low mileage LTs out there considering it is supposed to be a long distance ride. The oilheads seem to be the ones who ride the most.


and there lies my point



with 37 years of riding all kinds of bikes, I find the higher mileage HD to be a rarity, not the norm. I know they are out there because I meet them on the road, some of the nicest people you could meet, but here in town there seems to be a sort of pride of non-riding that permeates the HD culture. Harleys with any sort of above average miles are considered unsellable and unwanted. I still



Just like any other brand though and like you I have been riding for ever started riding to school and back when I was 14, bought my first HD at 18 rode them until '02 then bought the BMW


l believe that, on average, the LT rider is putting on more miles than the average HD owner, and as for the other

I bet not per bike they are not

I see too many higher mileage HD's,

just my observation though and I do ride across this country quite often these days

Tom

[ldrider]

but face it there are just not many K1200lt's with more than 100 k on them compared to Harleys, (very very seldom do I see a lt with 100k or close to it even.

I bet if done on a percentage basis of fl's to K12LT the hds have more miles per bike

I'm not knocking the LT mind you, it's just there are a ton of harley's out there with many many miles on them, there have been for yyears and there always will be.

There's a list on this site of some LTs with more than 100k... (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24646&highlight=100k)
But, lets look at the numbers.

In 2004, approximately 5.7 million motorcycles were registered for use on public roads in the U.S.A., which equals about 2.4% of all vehicle registrations. Estimates of market share for 2005, the latest year for which numbers are available, show Honda in the lead with 24% of the market, followed by Harley-Davidson and Buell with 22.6%, Yamaha at 15.9%, Suzuki at 11.8%, Kawasaki at 9.1%, KTM at 1.7%, BMW with 1.2% and "Other" at 13.7%.


Breaking it down to very general numbers, for every 200 motorcycle you see out there, you'll see 45 HDs for every 3 BMWs. Considering that LTs are not their biggest seller, you'd be hard pressed to find a 50 to 1 ratio. In the thread mentioned above, I think I count 23 LTs with over 100k on them. So, it takes at least 1150 HDs with that mileage to come up to our short list. Considering that HD sold ~350k bikes last year alone that very possible. But I think that taken as a whole, you'd be hard pressed to come up with the per centage needed to support your claim.

[BMWphreak]

Then you do not have a clue what a 1%'r is, it is not just a rider, it is not particularly just anyone who rides a HD, it is not someone who in partiuclar is a jerk.

When I was run over, the first friends at my door willing to help (and brought a handfull of cash)were 1% r's full patch wearing 1%'rs.

they are a different breed althorghter most of them who make it any time in a club, know what the meaning of brother hood is

Yes, I have admitted that, I used a term that I unknowingly misused. I apologize for that. It my neck of the woods, East Buckfuck CT, we know not of these things. A 1%er here is any asshole biker. Obviously, we are screwed up.

[tmgs]

There's a list on this site of some LTs with more than 100k... (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24646&highlight=100k)
But, lets look at the numbers.

In 2004, approximately 5.7 million motorcycles were registered for use on public roads in the U.S.A., which equals about 2.4% of all vehicle registrations. Estimates of market share for 2005, the latest year for which numbers are available, show Honda in the lead with 24% of the market, followed by Harley-Davidson and Buell with 22.6%, Yamaha at 15.9%, Suzuki at 11.8%, Kawasaki at 9.1%, KTM at 1.7%, BMW with 1.2% and "Other" at 13.7%.


Breaking it down to very general numbers, for every 200 motorcycle you see out there, you'll see 45 HDs for every 3 BMWs. Considering that LTs are not their biggest seller, you'd be hard pressed to find a 50 to 1 ratio. In the thread mentioned above, I think I count 23 LTs with over 100k on them. So, it takes at least 1150 HDs with that mileage to come up to our short list. Considering that HD sold ~350k bikes last year alone that very possible. But I think that taken as a whole, you'd be hard pressed to come up with the per centage needed to support your claim.

and your welcome to dissagree, but I think your wrong, on a one to one basis (take the 50k hd and the 1k lts (or whatever the numbers) I think you will have a higher percentage of high mile Hd's than you will K1200LT's yes i know there are a bazillion less K1200lt's

it's just my humble opinion and like Isiad again, it might just be the group of folks I know but that is the way I feel from what I ahve seen, I wish there was a way to prove it now though

also I would say the K1200LT definitly (percentage wise) again have less miles than the oilhead per bike

that is just my opinion as well, are there far more garage queen harleys? well heck yes there are!


Tom

[KMC1]

It my neck of the woods, East Buckfuck, CT

LMAO!
Hey, remind me not to move to YOUR town then! I don't want my buck catching anything! :histerica

[tmgs]

There's a list on this site of some LTs with more than 100k... (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24646&highlight=100k)


so far there are 41 replies not all are 100k or milers out of 1124 views

so is that roughly 41 out of 1124?

it could be taken that way ya know

better a poll should have been done



edited, let me also make clear, no one is putting anyone's bike down here, this is just a fact from my POV/experience what I have seen on the road ect ect,

Tom

[tmgs]

There's a list on this site of some LTs with more than 100k... (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24646&highlight=100k)


ok for giggles I jsut counted 21 that said there were over 100k on thier lt, from what I could tell they did not all say if they put all the miles on thierself

I'm pretty sure Steve Rowe should be real close to 100k of his own bmw lt miles as well, then we have Don with 300k too

so 23 so far

[tmgs]

Ok, let's put this to bed forever...

Here is a pic of a dear friend... he is an HD rider and always will be.

His wife bought this t-shirt and gave it to him... She is working on the Halos.. one for each of them...

http://www.bmwlt.com/gallery/files/5/8/0/3/ahole.jpg

hehehe
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12960&stc=1

I have two diffenet shirts as well all from friends of mine
than again, I'm AH #103

here are a few of us on this board in fact

[astuber]

This is an interesting discussion with valid comments on both sides. The LT seems to be in a different class when it comes to milage than other BMW's. Either very low milage or relatively high milage. It seems that many people buy an LT and, for whatever reason, don't put enough miles on it to ever get comfortable riding it and end up leaving it in the garage for a few years before selling it. Those that do ride them on a regular basis seem to put quite a few miles on them.

The number of Harleys' on trailers probably contributes to the perception that Hurleys' are not ridden much. I can't recall a single BMW being trailered though I am sure it happens.

[KMC1]

The number of Harleys' on trailers probably contributes to the perception that Hurleys' are not ridden much. I can't recall a single BMW being trailered though I am sure it happens.

You could have seen mine being trailered about 6 times (each way, so really 12times :mad: ) since December of last year... from the Dealership in Hartford and back to my house again... except they use a covered trailer... hmm wonder why that is......... :rolleyes:

[tmgs]

Yes, I have admitted that, I used a term that I unknowingly misused. I apologize for that. It my neck of the woods, East Buckfuck CT, we know not of these things. A 1%er here is any asshole biker. Obviously, we are screwed up.


Hey now, no apology needed, and I hope I didn't offend you. you may or may not be screwed up only you know that <big grin> (hehe that was actually funny from my end)

keep in mind the 1% crowd I speak of is no one to mess with. I'm not trying to make them sound like saints (ok not the M/C Saints) <g>

tom

[tmgs]

This is an interesting discussion with valid comments on both sides. The LT seems to be in a different class when it comes to milage than other BMW's. Either very low milage or relatively high milage. It seems that many people buy an LT and, for whatever reason, don't put enough miles on it to ever get comfortable riding it and end up leaving it in the garage for a few years before selling it. Those that do ride them on a regular basis seem to put quite a few miles on them.

I think it is more to do with demographics or possibly the average LT owner is more than likely in white collar professions and do not have the time and for whatever reason can not ride to work.
The LT is a pretty classy machine and at standard options msrp the most expensive bike on the market generally speaking, I see now though at msrp the GW has taken that lead with it's abs air bag model

HEHE I can see all the jokes now wiht a AirBag warning sticker up front and personal on a GW haha

warning Air bag on board!
HAHAHAHA ok ok I'm funny I know it! <g>

I was just on the phone the other night with a fellow board member looking at the prices of HD GW and LT

I'm thinking buying a GW rasiing it putting a LT electric windscreen on, I might not have to worry about final drive failures HAHAHAHAHA



Shoot I just realized what time it is , I got to go - see ya'll later!

Tom

[K1200LTryder]

The guy was just a SQUID....period.

I know quite a few 1%ers around here, and most all of them will go out of their way to look and talk about my bike. Some say it's just a yuppie bike, until they get a tour of it.

Just because I dont like HD's, doesnt mean I dont get along with HD riders.

The SQUIDS around here are another story, some ride HD, but most ride clapped out metric cruisers....typical wannabe attitude. Probably why you always see them riding alone.

I've had guys pass me and do the "frap frap" thing with the loud pipes, all it does is advertise the lack of length and girth, and the need to compensate...

As for the spitting part, if it didnt hit you, let it go...if it does, there are other options, some are ugly, but a glance at a licence tag and a properly placed phone call to authorites, along with an affidavit would cause that individual more pain than you could with a fist in the mouth...


:bmw:

[jayjacobson]

....It my neck of the woods, East Buckfuck CT, we know not of these things. A 1%er here is any asshole biker. Obviously, we are screwed up.
Don't sweat it. Couldn't possibly even approach Kalifornia!

[fas]

SO and I are riding home after a great run. I spot two folks on the side of our Lake Road, the scenic run around Lake Erie. He has his HOG seat off and they both look really sad. I stop and take a look. They are from Canada. No cell phone. Not HOG members. His bike dies every time he turns left hard.

We got them some phone numbers, directions to the HOG store that was open Sunday, and they went on their way.

I gave him all my numbers, business card, and told him to call if he got stuck.

Never heard from them again.

[jayjacobson]

SO and I are riding home after a great run. I spot two folks on the side of our Lake Road, the scenic run around Lake Erie. He has his HOG seat off and they both look really sad. I stop and take a look. They are from Canada. No cell phone. Not HOG members. His bike dies every time he turns left hard.

We got them some phone numbers, directions to the HOG store that was open Sunday, and they went on their way.

I gave him all my numbers, business card, and told him to call if he got stuck.

Never heard from them again.
A little thank you email would have been nice.

[fas]

A little thank you email would have been nice.


Jay,

Since they had no cell, perhaps they have no computer?

I observe HD folks seem to always have a cig hanging out of thier mouth, maybe two feet from their fuel tanks.....? I have not yet seen a BMW rider with a weed dangling out of his/her mouth while riding......

I figure this way, if enough BMW people stop to help the HOG riders, maybe they will get the idea that BMW riders are OK folks?

I believe in karma.

[tmgs]

Jay,

Since they had no cell, perhaps they have no computer?

I observe HD folks seem to always have a cig hanging out of thier mouth, maybe two feet from their fuel tanks.....? I have not yet seen a BMW rider with a weed dangling out of his/her mouth while riding......

I figure this way, if enough BMW people stop to help the HOG riders, maybe they will get the idea that BMW riders are OK folks?

I believe in karma.

one of the things I loved about the LT was how you could adjust he windscreen, it made it so easy just to pull off the side of the road flip up my helmet light a smoke leave the windscreen all the way up, and ride off smoke breaks were a thing of the past on the LT , (I quit smoking 10 months 2 weeks 3 day 15 hours 6 minutes and 8 second ago as I type this)

anyhow, ya know back years ago, hd riders stopped for about anyone on a bike, I did on my hd and many others did as well on theirs. These days they don't slow down for anyone it seems.

It's the new riders that don't IMHO. it also is because many of the other brand riders are hd bashers just like many hd riders are other brand bashers. it is a viscous circle.

I've long tired of many HD riders these days (mostly the newb that pounds his chest while walking around his HD thinking how cool he his.(been there done that 30 years ago) Today he is the one that will not talk to you, won;t help you and generally can be a jerk, we were different back when I started riding, it was kind of a code, see someone on the side of the road, ask if thety need help

but ya know there are just as many riding BMW that are the same way these days.

Just to let ya know, for the most part long time Harley riders respect BMW riders (most everyone I know ride Harley's) it is not so the other way around.

it is a easy test,

ride your BMW cross country
come home hop on your hd ride it cross country

it is all the same just on different brands.
we have snobs on all of them.

It's all about the ride..........

Not what you ride