Givi top Box LED wiring

[HowardRichman]

06K1200GT
I'm considering the E460 or the E52 top box using the Givi rack for the R1200RT which supposed to fit the GT. When I had this setup on my Honda ST1300, I use the brake light tail wire not needing a relay; no prob. With the GT's Canbus system, I'm sure it'll be more difficult. I dont think it's a matter of the slight additional load of the LED's, It's more of the Canbus computer and the GT's tail light operation that varies the voltage to a single filament which brightens as brake is applied, and lower light for tail. (so I was told). Will a relay just for this application work, and where to tap Can I only get brake Lts, or also tail lights ?
Howie....

[EzyMount]

I just had this discussion with Andy from Kisan today. I am getting ready to install a G-46 on my bike this coming week, and I ordered the stop light option with it.

I also ordered a pair of his single filament 20W-s Twin Pack Tailblazer Bulbs for the rear of my GT. I used these on my old LT and really liked the way they lit up the rear end.

http://www.kisantech.com/index.php?cat_id=3

Andy seems to think, that on the latest 07 GT's, just by merely connecting to one of the hot wires to the tail lights, we may get both running light and brake light voltage to the LED's in the GIVI case ?

Won't know for sure until I hook mine up. Hopefully mine will be in by Friday and I can see what happens on Saturday.

I will keep everyone informed on how this works.

[grifscoots]

just by merely connecting to one of the hot wires to the tail lights, we may get both running light and brake light voltage to the LED's in the GIVI case ?



There are two wires running to the bulbs, a hot and a ground. The bulb is controlled by the ZFE, which in normal, leaves it as running and then ups the voltage for a stop.

I did the the license plate frame http://piratesk12site.net/Blazer.htm without any problem.

[EzyMount]

Griff !

Did your hookup to one of the tail light bulbs, work as I described in my post ? ;)

[grifscoots]

Griff !

Did your hookup to one of the tail light bulbs, work as I described in my post ? ;)

What description are we talking about?:D Yes, it works. Just as long as it doesn't throw a fault, you'll be bueno.

[BMKrider]

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Andy seems to think, that on the latest 07 GT's, just by merely connecting to one of the hot wires to the tail lights, we may get both running light and brake light voltage to the LED's in the GIVI case ?

Won't know for sure until I hook mine up. Hopefully mine will be in by Friday and I can see what happens on Saturday.

I will keep everyone informed on how this works.

Please let me know how this goes. I have a Givi 46 on the back of my GT and would rally like to install the extra Givi lights in the box but I'm too chicken to tap into the Canbus wires.

However, if you do it and you're satisfied with the results I'd certainly follow.

[EzyMount]

[QUOTE=BMKrider] I have a Givi 46 on the back of my GT and would rally like to install the extra Givi lights in the box but I'm too chicken to tap into the Canbus wires.

Do you have any pics of your G-46 installed on your bike...??

[BMKrider]

[QUOTE=BMKrider] I have a Givi 46 on the back of my GT and would rally like to install the extra Givi lights in the box but I'm too chicken to tap into the Canbus wires.

Do you have any pics of your G-46 installed on your bike...??

see this thread for pics etc:

http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=1544

Hope this helps.

[EzyMount]

Installed them yesterday.

A bulb fault is shown only during the 5 second flashing cycle. When bulb transitions to steady-on, the fault goes away. No big deal..

In order to get both bulbs to flash, had to reverse polarity on right side bulb.

Picking up GIVI case today, so tonight I will be installing it and hooking up case stop light assy.

Will let everyone know how that hookup works out :rolleyes:

[EzyMount]

My GIVI topcase came in with battle damage, large scratch across top of case. Ship box was damaged !

The case was ONLY wrapped in a white thin poly shipping wrapper, with no other protection inside the box !

Now i gotta wait for another one to be shipped. I hope it arrives without damage ! ? ! ? :mad:

[kemmons]

I ordered the GIVI E52 top case today for my 2007 K1200GT. I’m getting the Blue case to match my bikes color, stoplight kit, backrest, mounting plate and top rack for my camping gear. I also ordered the foam liner to protect my stuff.


FYI B508-Burgman blue is BMW Deep Blue Metallic (double checked with BMW and Givi)
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ELECTRICAL

I went to several BMW dealers before I found someone who know what they were talking about and actually installed electrical components of their 2007 K1200GT. I was told the correct way to wire into the Can-Bus system is to…

1. Buy a ‘Y’ adapter for the accessory port (order using VIN number for correct one).
2. Buy a fuse ‘panel’. I purchased one with a 15 amp fuse and I can add seven components. Any panel will do. I bought a BMW one that is very small. You can get a Centech AP-1 or any other brand. The fuse panel should have two wire to connect directly to the batter terminals and one wire that will connect to the ‘keyed’ wire which will power fuse panel with the bike’s ignition.
3. Disconnect the Accessory Port wire.
4. Connect the ‘Y’ adapter to the Accessory Port wire and the accessory port.
5. Cut the end of the renaming port of the ‘y’ connector. This wire is the ‘Keyed’ wire which cuts power to the panel when the bikes key is turned off. It is connect to the ‘keyed’ wire on the fuse panel.
6. Solder the wires together and makes sure you use heat shrink.
7. Connect the fuse panel to the Neg and Pos terminals on the battery.

You now have a fuse panel that will turn on and off with your ingintion. You connect all new electrical components to this fuse panel without disturbing the Can-Bus system.

I left out taking off your gas tank and Tupperware and running the wires and securing them with zip ties. I can provide part numbers but the dealer looked up which ‘y’ connecter to use by my VIN number. Said they have two different styles already for the 2007 model.

[kemmons]

I installed the Can-Bus fuse panel but have not yet received my Givi top case. The BMW dealer told me to install this fuse panel for the stop lights but this would give the break lights constant power and would not light up the brake lights when I apply the brakes. Not sure what I will do yet. Once I get the Givi lights I can see what up.

Best possible outcome would be to replace the Givi lights with LED bulbs, power the running lights of the fuse panel for a constant power source and then power the brake lights from the K12 brake wire. I think the Givi comes with just two wires so maybe I will end up replacing the bulbs and tapping into the break or running wire.

Anyone out there install the break lights without cutting power to the Givi running lights?

[EzyMount]

I connected my brake light circuit to the single hot lead from one of my rear taillight bulbs on the GT.

I get reduced illumination at all times, with ignition on and increased illumination when brakes are applied.

GIVI told me that their connector housings were not designed for, and would not stand-up to the constant power in this situation, and that I could expect the contacts to fail in short order. They would not tell my how long it would take for this to happen ? Do they really know ? Anyone have any ideas ?

For the mean time, I have chosen not to connect my brake light assy, until I know more about the outcome for constant use..

Perhaps changing their board over to LED's may improve the situation, I don't know the answer to that question. And since LED's are fairly directional in the way they output light, i.e. 70 or 120 degree radius illumination ranges, they might not work in the GIVI reflector housings, as well as the conventional bulbs, with the current design ?

[kemmons]

:dance: I installed the brake light kit on my Givi E52 top case today. The brake light kit has a black and a blue wire. I connected the blue wire to the brown wire on the brake light of the motorcycle. I connected the black wire to the second wire of the same brake light. The running lights and brake lights are the same brightness and there has been no difference whatsoever. The running lights on the Givi are very bright and I’m very happy I went with the E52 instead of the BMW top case. The light kit makes all the difference.

The only problem I encountered was that I tried to installed the electrical connector for the motorcycle’s support rack from the underside. It must be install from the top so that it makes contact with the connector on the bottom of the Givi case.

I’m glad I purchased the foam liner for the top case. It stops things from getting scrapped in the top case. I can fit four to six plastic bags of groceries in the top case with no problem.