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strsout
Dec 26th, 2006, 7:14 pm
After my trip to Baja this weekend, I had a chance to try my new Zumo.
the overal for the product is 6 (1 to 10) and the major faults are:

As a long timer Garmin GPS user, I just bought a new Zumo. I've had many Garmin models, like SPIII+, 76, 76 color, SPIIIcolor and now Zumo.
This weekend I had my first trip with this new model and after that I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the product. Looks like it's a less capable version of all other Garmin I had. Maybe some issues are because I'm not able to find how to do, and as soon as I learn if it's possible (or not), that will not be an issue any more.
Please, do not take it wrong, I'm a die-hard Garmin user and only what I want is a good motorcycle product.
My issues are:
1) Zumo doesn't show the tracks log on the screen, like every other product. For a MC (motorcycle) it is a big thing, since some times we want to back track quickly to some place and seeing the track logs makes it easy. Can I have it enable?

2) Zumo doesn't show Waypoints, unless it's in the route. I went to Mexico, and I'm using the Garmin World Map to trace my route. So it's much easier if I upload all my waypoints that I want to go/see and decide where/when to go as I pass by it. Zumo doesn't show those waypoints. Only if it's on the route, and even there, when you pass by that point, it desapear at the first recalculation.

3) which brings the 3th. point: the recalculation occurs as soon as you are 20, maybe 30 feet from the route. It's totally unaceptable. Garmin has good maps, but even they are very inacuratly (the border from Tecate, CA and Tecate, Baja California shows w/o roads, and it's not true. You can cross borders there). So every few seconds the zumo recalculates. can it be more under control? Like only recalculates after xxx feet from the route?

4) The turn-by-turn is great for MC on the SPIII, showing the turn with a zoom screen, that makes easy to read. Zumo only shows a small white arrow, that if you are at an very busy freeway intersection, it's hard to decide where to go. That SPIII feature (and others) is a must for Motorcycle and it was removed from Zumo. can I have it?

5) For a MC rider, the altitude is even more important then the speed. How can I see the current altitude with zumo?

6) talking about show info, there are too few information on the Zumo screen. On the GPSIII+ and on the 76 one can customize the display and that is very useful.
Honest I don't care how many minutes I was stopped during my trip.
How long to the next turn (it's there),
how long to the end of the trip (it's not there so easy. You have to press the down arrow many times until you get the mileage to your final destination),
how is the current average speed (it's not there),
What is the ETA (it's there, very easily).
The speed, all motorcycle that some one uses to a trip has it. The same with that useless gas estimate (there is no use at all for that icon unless to amuse the rider). I would like to have the Altimeter there.

7) The back colors has no contrast with the road colors, neither visual indication of paved and unpaved roads. That's a big fault. In neither mode (day or night) the rider can't see the roads in a distinct manner. The pale yellow against the fade yellow... who's idea was that? How can I change those colors?
And for a MC GPS, why not have distinction between freeways, highways, paved and unpaved roads?

8) at the and of the day, the whole log is break in many sub-logs, unlike the previuos Garmin models, where you can save the full day log in one track log. Can it be fix?

9) why I cannot see the Garmin World Maps on my Zumo? I try it, but doens't show. Only the original base maps that came with it. I load the World Maps on a SD card.

10) How can I 'pan' the map, to see what is head or behind my current route, w/o zooming out? I try to move the map with my finger, up/down/left/right, but it only works if I'm the process to create a route. I would like to do it during my route, to see what is in front of me.

Please again, understand that I like the whole idea of Zumo. The size, the format, the weight, the mount accessories, the buttons, many features, etc, but as a long time garmin user (since 1999) and longer time MC rider (over 100K miles on the last 22 years), I was expecting something much better from Garmin, and I'm afraid that I just bought the wrong GPS.

You can see the trip report at:
http://www.viajareua.com/Baja_California.html

Thank you

Texas42
Dec 27th, 2006, 9:52 am
Elton,

You are absolutly right about the new Zumo. It has some great features but it is not as good as my 2610, the hardware is great, the software is not very good for advanced users.

My biggest problem is the recalculation, you use mapsource to layout a route to miss the interstate, and the first time you stop for gas the %#$&$$% Zumo recalculates (^&$^&$^&-up!) the route and you are back on the slab and you can't stop it.

All that effort for a useless fuel guage :histerica

Thanks
Bo

messenger13
Dec 27th, 2006, 10:32 am
At CCR, the Garmin rep touched base on the Zumo. I got the impression that the Zumo was more for the casual motorcycle rider, and not the hardcore tourer (like most of us are). My impression may be false. Let's hope that Garmin gets enough comments where they offer some updates to correct some of these issues.

A few comments though...
4) The turn-by-turn is great for MC on the SPIII, showing the turn with a zoom screen, that makes easy to read. Zumo only shows a small white arrow, that if you are at an very busy freeway intersection, it's hard to decide where to go. That SPIII feature (and others) is a must for Motorcycle and it was removed from Zumo. can I have it?I like my 2720's 3D display so much that I have turned the auto-zoom feature OFF. I find that the 3D display is easier to read than any zoomed-in 2D display could ever be. If I need to zoom in a little, I just use the + sign on the touch screen. But I would agree that the user should have this option. Different stroke for different folks.


5) For a MC rider, the altitude is even more important then the speed. How can I see the current altitude with zumo?I don't agree with this statement at all. At a glance, speed is THE MOST IMPORTANT piece of data for me, especially since most bike speedos are so far off. Altitude is a nicety, but surely not a necessity.

Why is altitude so important to you? Maybe I'm missing something. :confused:

strsout
Dec 27th, 2006, 11:09 am
I don't agree with this statement at all. At a glance, speed is THE MOST IMPORTANT piece of data for me, especially since most bike speedos are so far off. Altitude is a nicety, but surely not a necessity.

Why is altitude so important to you? Maybe I'm missing something. :confused:

I agree with you that speed is the most important thing, but most of the bikes (at least all BMWs) they have a speedometer and after few passes on the road mark you can figure out how off your specificity bike are from the real speed, and you can mentally adjust it from the speedometer.

When ridding outside USA or Europe, so far, GPS is more like an entertainment center, since the maps for the rest of the world are very scarce and when they exist, they are way off. (in Baja, our friendly neighbor country, I found roads to be up to 8 miles off the GPS info. @$%^& roads... how dare are they to move of my GPS???)
So, let me re-phrase my previous sentence: "For me, altitude is more important then speed in a GPS". I really like to know how high/deep I'm during a ride, in the same way I like to know how hot/cold the temperature was on that same ride.

sgoetz628
Jan 18th, 2008, 8:02 am
5) For a MC rider, the altitude is even more important then the speed. How can I see the current altitude with zumo?this is my first post here, so my apologies in advance for any snafus. anyway, the zumo has four buttons running down the left hand side. push the third from top button and you will toggle thru various functions. usually, after one push the screen will display a compass with four more bits of info on the right. second from top is elevation.

while i don't use it often and it is not a necessity for me, it is fun and interesting for me on big mountains ("big" being relative, as i live in CT)

hope this helps

Woolly
Jan 18th, 2008, 1:10 pm
When ridding outside USA or Europe, so far, GPS is more like an entertainment center, since the maps for the rest of the world are very scarce and when they exist, they are way off.

I was amazed with my Motorrad II (2610) how good the baseline mapping is - when I went down to Africa, all the roads are there - and even though there's no detailed mapping, I got my way to where I wanted to go.

®win
Jan 18th, 2008, 2:17 pm
1) Zumo doesn't show the tracks log on the screen, like every other product. For a MC (motorcycle) it is a big thing, since some times we want to back track quickly to some place and seeing the track logs makes it easy. Can I have it enable?
In the main menu touch the http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8143/keysx3.png -> Map -> Trip Log = Hidden -> change to Visible

2) Zumo doesn't show Waypoints, unless it's in the route. I went to Mexico, and I'm using the Garmin World Map to trace my route. So it's much easier if I upload all my waypoints that I want to go/see and decide where/when to go as I pass by it. Zumo doesn't show those waypoints. Only if it's on the route, and even there, when you pass by that point, it desapear at the first recalculation.Correct, unless you zoom in far enough, then they become visible.

3) which brings the 3th. point: the recalculation occurs as soon as you are 20, maybe 30 feet from the route. It's totally unaceptable. Garmin has good maps, but even they are very inacuratly (the border from Tecate, CA and Tecate, Baja California shows w/o roads, and it's not true. You can cross borders there). So every few seconds the zumo recalculates. can it be more under control? Like only recalculates after xxx feet from the route?You can change the recalculation mode to 'off' or 'prompted'. In the last case the Zumo will ask you to recalculate every time you go off-route.

5) For a MC rider, the altitude is even more important then the speed. How can I see the current altitude with zumo?That is visible when you scroll pages to the compass. Use the second button from the bottom on the left side (next to the screen).



8) at the and of the day, the whole log is break in many sub-logs, unlike the previuos Garmin models, where you can save the full day log in one track log. Can it be fix?Every time you start / end navigation to a new destination the zumo will start a new track. In Mapsource you can put them together, but that's only afterwards.

9) why I cannot see the Garmin World Maps on my Zumo? I try it, but doens't show. Only the original base maps that came with it. I load the World Maps on a SD card.There is a routable world base map (when you're in an area covered by the loaded City Navigator maps it will only be visible when zoomed out far enough). I have it installed on my Zumo.

10) How can I 'pan' the map, to see what is head or behind my current route, w/o zooming out? I try to move the map with my finger, up/down/left/right, but it only works if I'm the process to create a route. I would like to do it during my route, to see what is in front of me.Touch the screen once (not on the vehicle) and you can move the map with your finger; kinda drag-n-drop idea. At that moment the map will not move anymore, but the vehicle will.

Lots more info you can find on the Zumoforums.com (http://www.zumoforums.com/index.php?action=forum).

jwd98056
Jan 18th, 2008, 3:00 pm
In the main menu touch the http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8143/keysx3.png -> Map -> Trip Log = Hidden -> change to Visible


I think this is only true as of firmware version 3.0. The latest firmware version is 3.8. The good news is that Garmin is listening and adding functionality to the Zumo. They have upgraded the firmware several times in the last year. Zumo owners need to periodically check for upgrades to see what they are missing out on. The challenge with upgrades is a lot of the new features are not in the standard documentation so you need to dig into the upgrade documentation to find out how to use them.

®win
Jan 18th, 2008, 3:23 pm
I think this is only true as of firmware version 3.0. The latest firmware version is 3.8.
I have the latest firmware (3.80) and I still have this option......

norton
May 9th, 2008, 2:48 pm
My zumo 550 was installed on my 07 LT by the dealer and doesn't play directions through the hard wired headphones. Before I make a fool of myself and take it back to dealer just for him to find a stupid little setting or adjustment that I could make. I would appreciate someones help to tell me what settings I should check or any other ideas. Thanks

jwd98056
May 10th, 2008, 9:24 pm
I have the latest firmware (3.80) and I still have this option......
I'm sorry you are confused :confused:. I'll walk you through it :think:. What I said was, "I think this is only true as of firmware version 3.0". This sentence states my belief that the feature was not available prior to version 3.0 or conversely that it has been a feature since version 3.0.

My intent was to prevent frustration for people with older Zumos who might go searching for a function that they won't have unless they update their firmware.

As usual no good deed goes unpunished ;).