Marine and Navy Gunfighting rules

[gunny]

Marine Corps Rules for Gun Fighting


1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.


11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. Have a plan.

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

16. Don't drop your guard.

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.

19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4."


Navy Rules for Gun fighting:

1. Go to Sea

2. Send the Marines

3. Drink Coffee


Borrowed from another forum.

[danbrown]

gunny - being an old navy man i resemble that remark. BTW see you at the tech session in cornenlius next mouth?

[meese]

Just imagine if everyone thought that way. And if everyone was armed equally. Be a hell of a world to live in.

[messenger13]

Just imagine if everyone thought that way. And if everyone was armed equally. Be a hell of a world to live in.Just goes to show how differently some of us think and/or believe.

Gunny and Dan, thank you for serving to protect what's mine. Selflessly. :thumb:

[UncleRock]

Marine Corps Rules for Gun Fighting

11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

These are my Favorite out of the bunch. I have the whole list, hanging on the wall.
It left out the one "Bring a gun that works everytime, Technology is great until an Angel pisses down the muzzle of your flintlock during a firefight."
Rock
PS I tick off a certain E-6 all the time by telling him "Let me borrow that Glock, I got a couple pictures I want to hang." I leave him unnamed, because some may know him but give a hint. He's a door gunner for the Red Dragons on his 3rd tour in Irag.

[early1]

Just imagine if everyone thought that way. And if everyone was armed equally. Be a hell of a world to live in.

if the rest of the world thought that way--

they would think before provoking, attacking or endangering--

because if they thought that way, they would more clearly understand what the reactions to their actions would entail---

and therefore be more polite and professional in those actions

[rixchard]

This sounds like a rephrasing of the old saying 'an armed society is a polite society"

Am I interpreting you correctly?

[early1]

This sounds like a rephrasing of the old saying 'an armed society is a polite society"

Am I interpreting you correctly?

Not at all.

Simply arming ones self does not alter ones perspective nor mindset.

Consequences of actions and of inactions and comprehension of ones opponent alters ones mindset.

[early1]

Marine Corps Rules for Gun Fighting

Navy Rules for Gun fighting:

1. Go to Sea

2. Send the Marines

3. Drink Coffee

Borrowed from another forum.

Drop the next rack a little closer to the Marines when they ask for a little close support, not too close ,just close enough so they know we're paying attention and to give the a bit more dirt to chew.

[messenger13]

Isn't it time for a big, warm & fuzzy group hug?! http://www.bigbikeworld.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif


(Ed...got my back? I'm sure gunny's packin'!) :D

[rixchard]

Ok, just wondering

[meese]

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.How is bringing a bigger gun and a plan (and a backup plan) to kill everyone you meet "de-escalation"? I agree that there comes a point when a conflict is inevitable, and likely even immediate, and that you should be prepared to handle yourself in such a situation. But if you spend you life armed and looking for a fight, I imagine you'll find one sooner rather than later. And there will always be someone bigger, faster, or with better aim than you. Or just a bigger temper and a bigger weapon. The only real question becomes how many do you kill before they eventually kill you?

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me, for a country or an individual.

Note that this does not mean I think we should abolish the military, or an individual's right to bear arms. Both were created for very important reasons that remain valid today, and both have their uses in certain circumstances. I just think that these tools should not be used lightly, or taken for granted no matter what the threat. That also falls under responsibility and consequences of one's actions.

I'd rather live as an idealist, with an awareness of reality, than constantly wondering if every little altercation will end up in a life or death situation. In a direct war scenario things are different, but there's a reason that the opposite of war is peace.

[astuber]

"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill. (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill)

My favorite has always been:

25. When in doubt, empty the magazine.

Semper Fi

[Zotter]

Navy and Marines have spoken - now for the mud puppy and smurf perspective:

US-ARMY rules of combat

1. You are not Superman
2. Recoiless rifles aren't.
3. Suppressive fire won't.
4. If it's stupid & it works, it ain't stupid
5. Never draw fire, it irritates everyone around you.
6. When in doubt empty the magazine.
7. Never share a foxhole with someone braver then you are.
8. Your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
9. If you can't remember, the claymore is pointed toward you.
10. All five-second grenade fuses are three seconds.
11. Try to look unimportant--they may be low on ammo.
12. If you are forward of your position, the artillery will be short.
13. The enemy diversion you are ignoring is the main attack.
14. The important things are always simple.
15. The simple things are always hard.
16. If you're short of everything except the enemy, you're in combat.
17. Incoming fire has the right of way.
18. No combat-ready unit was ever passed inspection.
19. No inspection-ready unit has ever passed combat.
20. Teamwork is essential. It gives them other people to shoot at.
21. If the enemy is in range, so are you.
22. Tracers work both ways.
23. The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.
24. Radios will fail as soon as you need fire support.
25. When both sides are convinced that they are about to lose ... they are both right.
26. All weather close support doesn't work in bad weather.
27. The bursting radius of a grenade is always one foot greater than your jumping range.
28. The only terrain that is truely controlled is the terrain upon which you are standing.
29. The law of the bayonet says the man with the bullet wins.
30. REMF's (Rear Echelon Mother Fraggers) are everywhere.
31. The best tank killer is another tank. Therefore tanks are always fighting each other ...& have no time to help the infantry.
32. Precision bombing is normally accurate to within +/- one mile (...or so).
33. Don't look conspicuous, it draws fire.
34. Cluster bombing from B-52s and C130s is very very accurate. The bombs always hit the ground.
35. Perfect plans aren't.
36. Friendly fire isn't.
37. The easy way is always mined.
38. The side with the fanciest uniforms loses.
39. Professionals are predictable--it's the amatures that are dangerous.
40. Armored vehicles are bullet magnets; a moving foxhole that attracts attention.
41. No plan survives the first few seconds of combat.
42. Expending material in combat is easier than filling out Graves Registration forms -- Ammo is cheap; your life isn't.
43. Just because you can't see the enemy; don't for a minute believe they can't see you.
44. Final Protective Fire doesn't.
45. The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions:
* When you're ready for them.
* When you're not.
46. A "sucking chest wound" is nature's way of telling you to slow down.
47. If your attack is going well, you've just walked into an ambush.
48. Anything you do can get you shot, including nothing.
49. Make it tough enough for the enemy to get in and you won't be able to get out.
50. When you have secured an area, don't forget to tell the enemy.

USAF rules of Combat:
Air Force

1. Kiss the spouse good-bye
2. Drive to the flight line
3. Fly to target area, drop bombs, fly back.
4. Pop in at the club for a couple with the guys
5. Go home, BBQ some burgers and drink some more beer

(appologies to SPs, PJs, Para-rescue and the rest that wear blue but live, fight and die on the ground)

[zippy_gg]

What do you call an a$$hole with a gun?
SIR!

[dshealey]

-------------I'd rather live as an idealist, with an awareness of reality, than constantly wondering if every little altercation will end up in a life or death situation. In a direct war scenario things are different, but there's a reason that the opposite of war is peace.

If everyone felt that way, it would definitely be a better world. As unfortunate as it is though, there are large groups who do not, and will not ever feel that way, and if they run up on the idealists, the idealists usually lose. You cannot sit down and change their minds with talk, you will likely be dead and they will be looking for the next group of idealists to recon with.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to live in a peaceful world, but it is so extremely evident that that just will never happen on this earth.

When given the choice, I fall into the bigger, better, faster weapon school. Hopefully as a deterent, at worst as defense, but if it comes down to it you better be ready to react quickly and decisively, as a hesitant move is just what the opponent will be looking for.

[messenger13]

-------------I'd rather live as an idealist, with an awareness of reality, than constantly wondering if every little altercation will end up in a life or death situation. In a direct war scenario things are different, but there's a reason that the opposite of war is peace.


If everyone felt that way, it would definitely be a better world. As unfortunate as it is though, there are large groups who do not, and will not ever feel that way, and if they run up on the idealists, the idealists usually lose. You cannot sit down and change their minds with talk, you will likely be dead and they will be looking for the next group of idealists to recon with.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to live in a peaceful world, but it is so extremely evident that that just will never happen on this earth.

When given the choice, I fall into the bigger, better, faster weapon school. Hopefully as a deterent, at worst as defense, but if it comes down to it you better be ready to react quickly and decisively, as a hesitant move is just what the opponent will be looking for.Wow David! Would you run for President?...PLEASE! :) That was really good.

[dshealey]

Wow David! Would you run for President?...PLEASE! :) That was really good.

Sombody sure needs to! :D :D

Thanks Joe.

[meese]

Hey! I thought I was gonna be President. Or have y'all forgotten already. :)

Well put, David, and unfortunately very true. I just get tired of those who focus only on the attack, almost as if that in itself is the only solution to every problem, and has no consequences of its own. But yeah, the realist in me agrees that we're better off with that type on our side than on theirs. But we also need the idealists for balance. Otherwise we become exactly what we are fighting against. And then what's the point of life itself?

Sorry, too late at night for such philosophical ramblings. But yeah, I'd vote for David.

[Ghost55]

Gunny, brains over braun, always will be, and has always been.

Gary Thomason
USN

[dlbushey]

Every branch of the military has a function and a reason for their existence. National defense is a team effort. Rivalry amongst ourselves can be a healthy thing; it's those who have never been in uniform and criticize us that bothers me.

“Now, I don’t mean to get off on a rant here, but:”

Some people don’t agree with what this country does, and that’s their constitutional right; rights that many of us have spent a career defending. If they don’t like this country’s policies and they want to change them, great. But realize that mankind has been fighting with each other since the dawn of time, and it’s not likely to stop just because you wish it to. That means that we live in a world that has borders. Borders that must be defended and national interests that need to be protected.

While controversial, the Movie “A Few Good Men” had a line which I have always felt was appropriate.

Jack Nicholson as Nathan Jessop "I have neither the time nor inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the very blanket of freedom that I provide, and then questions the manor in which I provide it. I would rather you just said, 'Thank-you' and went on your way. Or pick up a weapon and stand a post."

“But that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.”

USN, MM1(SS)

[dshealey]

Hey! I thought I was gonna be President. Or have y'all forgotten already. :)

Well put, David, and unfortunately very true. I just get tired of those who focus only on the attack, almost as if that in itself is the only solution to every problem, and has no consequences of its own. But yeah, the realist in me agrees that we're better off with that type on our side than on theirs. But we also need the idealists for balance. Otherwise we become exactly what we are fighting against. And then what's the point of life itself?

Sorry, too late at night for such philosophical ramblings. But yeah, I'd vote for David.

Hey, that's two votes already, maybe I should run. :D :D

Ken, I am quite sure your vision of idealism is very close to mine, and most others here. However, if you were to question a Muslim Extremist, i'm sure he would think HE was the idealist. That word has no common meaning, and only reflects any one person's ideals.

Heck, even that paramount of vision and knowledge, Rodney King, had it right, "Why can't we all just get along?" :D

[Johnson]

These are my Favorite out of the bunch. I have the whole list, hanging on the wall.
It left out the one "Bring a gun that works everytime, Technology is great until an Angel pisses down the muzzle of your flintlock during a firefight."
Rock
PS I tick off a certain E-6 all the time by telling him "Let me borrow that Glock, I got a couple pictures I want to hang." I leave him unnamed, because some may know him but give a hint. He's a door gunner for the Red Dragons on his 3rd tour in Irag.
When you here from your friend in Irag Tell him thanks from all of us.

[UncleRock]

When you here from your friend in Irag Tell him thanks from all of us.
Will do that :D
He is a rider just like us, so we meet him most times with his bike, so he can ride home!
Rock