Ultraseal ?

[oknplm]

While out on M/C ride this past weekend in the N. Georgia Mountains (USA). Wife and I took a break at a scenic lookout and was approached by a couple from the UK, they were on vacation. We naturally talked motorcycles and somehow got on the subject of tires. They mentioned a product that was widely used in Europe called "Ultraseal". I was interested enough that I did a little research by talking to the manufacturer and Internet searches. I indeed found that it is readily available in both the UK and Europe. It is even endorsed by a few local BMW and other motorcycle clubs. It is not an easy product to locate here in the US but I did find a distributor that I can buy it from.


Anyone out there that has used the product I would be interested in your feedback?


May we never find the end of the road!


Perry Ridgway


oknplm

[peacanman]

I to have been looking for this product. info sounds great but un abe to find where to purchase. being new to this forum i hope this is correct.:bmw:

[myk_edwards]

A few of my buddies use it in their tyres, but up to now none of them have had a puncture to be able to assess the products performance. I've seen it in demos at bike rallies and it seems to do what it says on the bottle.

If folks are having problems getting it in the US, I'm sure some of us UK based riders could help out with getting some shipped. having said that, I'm sure the UK distributors would ship to the US.

[SmokinJoe]

......It is not an easy product to locate here in the US but I did find a distributor that I can buy it from.
.......Anyone out there that has used the product I would be interested in your feedback?
Perry Ridgway
oknplm

This site sells it in US.;
http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/product.asp?T1=G64511&src=23GGTRA

GEMPLER'S
1-gal. Commercial-grade Ultraseal Tire Sealant
Item No. G64511 In stock! Usually ships within one business day.
Qty Price
1 - 3 $54.75


I read that DaveDragon also uses some type of internal sealant...Dave what do you use?

[oknplm]

[QUOTE=SmokinJoe]This site sells it in US.;
http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/product.asp?T1=G64511&src=23GGTRA (http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/product.asp?T1=G64511&src=23GGTRA)

GEMPLER'S
1-gal. Commercial-grade Ultraseal Tire Sealant
Item No. G64511 In stock! Usually ships within one business day.
Qty Price
1 - 3 $54.75

According to the manufacturer there is a different grade level for motorcycles. I had already found this site but it is the wrong grade: "commercial grade" to use in a motorcycle tire. Found a distributor actually located in Georgia that sells primarily to commercial trucking firms and farm machinery. I am making arrangements to get the required product from him. Was hoping for some hands-on experience from riders who actually use it.

May we never find the end of the road!

Perry Ridgway

oknplm

[Steve_R]

Dave uses a product called Ride-On (http://www.ride-on.com/). It is a puncture sealant and claims to take out what little imbalance might be there after a weighted tire balance. I've used it once and just have been too CHEAP to purchase again. I've got no problem with it other than being messy when you change out to new tires. I think the UltraSeal would be the same way.

[Dick]

Dave uses a product called Ride-On (http://www.ride-on.com/). It is a puncture sealant and claims to take out what little imbalance might be there after a weighted tire balance. I've used it once and just have been too CHEAP to purchase again. I've got no problem with it other than being messy when you change out to new tires. I think the UltraSeal would be the same way.
Messy at tire changes, you say?? Guess I don't wanna make Hank at Rhinewest mad at me, huh?!! :rolleyes:

Wuz wonderin' tho - what's been the consensus of using thangs like Ride-On and Ultra-Seal with the SmarTire system? I'd think it might NOT be a good match. Been threads on the subject in the past, butt I don't recall if there has been a definitive answer - maybe I oughta query SmarTire?!! ;)

[meese]

Wuz wonderin' tho - what's been the consensus of using thangs like Ride-On and Ultra-Seal with the SmarTire system?The SmarTire folks say "no way" on any sort of liquid or beads inside the tire. Can't say I blame them.

[Dick]

The SmarTire folks say "no way" on any sort of liquid or beads inside the tire. Can't say I blame them.
Thanks, Ken. Yup, I agree with ya - just wanted to hear it from the manufacturer.

[c00k1e]

Your other problem is going to be this - how do you know that you have had a puncture?
These liquids usualy state that you should not ride over a certain speed after a hole in the tire - how do you know you have a hole - the liquid prevents the tire from deflating.
As someone else has said you get an very Messy time at tire changes. I have had a garage specify that they wont do changes when you use this stuff.
At the end of the day, tire manufacturers would use this stuff it it was
a. safe
b. financially beneficial to them (i.e. made people buy their tires instead of their opponents)

I can understand the off road boys using it, specially when they are in the middle of nowhere, but not on our bikes.

[Stobie]

I've had Ultraseal in my tyres for about 5K miles. Nothing adverse as regards balance etc. Just follow the instructions for quantity and ride.

I've had no punctures but another LT rider I know discovered a nail in the rear tyre while in Italy, he removed the nail and rode the bike a couple of miles then reset the correct pressure. He rode about 2K miles before returning home and had no problems whatsoever. Saw him a month ago and the tyre was still on the bike with considerably more mileage on it. (Tight git)

I believe the cheaper liquids like Slime etc aren't so dependable.

Stobie

[axamax]

Ultraseal has a good reputation here in the UK. BMW dealers even stock and install it, with all the liability that involves. I never got to use it on my R1150RT, but it the ONLY one that is dealer-recommended. I did try a cheaper make which repaired the tyre and let me carry on for about a week before it failed. It was decided to use Ultraseal the next time.
At the time I getting punctures so often (once a fortnight or so) my tyreman used to keep a pair of tyres ready in the van for me!! I'm even on the tea/coffee list as MarkPuncture. Unfortunately the bike was written off before I got to try the Ultraseal. I believe it also helps tyre mileage considerably.

[Niall]

Your other problem is going to be this - how do you know that you have had a puncture?
These liquids usualy state that you should not ride over a certain speed after a hole in the tire - how do you know you have a hole - the liquid prevents the tire from deflating.
As someone else has said you get an very Messy time at tire changes. I have had a garage specify that they wont do changes when you use this stuff.
At the end of the day, tire manufacturers would use this stuff it it was
a. safe
b. financially beneficial to them (i.e. made people buy their tires instead of their opponents)

I can understand the off road boys using it, specially when they are in the middle of nowhere, but not on our bikes.


How do you know you've had a puncture - well, if you're following the owners manual, your pre-ride check will show a tell tale pink mark.

To my knowledge, Ultraseal do not say to "only" ride at 50mph, 50 miles etc. Its not a quick fix product to get you home, its to prevent the (small) puncture in the first place.

tyre replacement - its not messy, and my tyre place dosn't give a stuff. Its not like the foamy, tyreweld type products - its a liquid.

As for tyre life - I find it increases tyre life - so it must be keeoing them slightly cooler.

I've got quite a few miles on ultraseal now (about 40,000) and not had any problems at all.


Niall

[Hitman_LT]

Ultraseal is a very popular product here in the UK. The manufacturers demonstrate it at bike shows etc by placing a wheel with a fully inflated tyre on a stand and spinning it whilst stuffing a screwdriver into over 50 times. Quite impressive, as the pressure stays almost constant the whole time. They even leave 6" nails sticking out of the tyre, then pull them out with no adverse effect on pressures. As mentioned before all you see is a small tell tale spot of pink sealant where the hole was. I don't know how large a hole is required to defeat the ultraseal but I don't run over many large screwdrivers in my part of the globe.

[teejay]

I have had Ultraseal in my tyres for the last three years and have never had a puncture. ( It must work then?) As for Smartire, I dont think you will need it because I have never had pressure loss, so what's the point? Is this why Smartire recommend you do not put anything in your tyres? As regards the messy tyre change; surely this is nothing compared to the peace of mind you get from this stuff.
Regards
Terry

[cws]

I've been running Ultraseal since I got a small screw puncture in ME880 rear with only 2000km on it. Got it mushroom plugged, then added the Ultraseal. Have put around 5000km on it since, no problems, 2-up running in temps from 0 deg C - 44 deg C. Pressure have stayed pretty constant in F/R tyres.
Got a work friend onto as well, before he did an 11,000km trip across Aust (+ back) Sydney to Perth and return on an old Honda 400 shaft drive. He had no problems with tyre pressures or anything (except for dropping the bike in loose sand), and that was summer on Oz (Xmas time) so VERY hot roads.
We think it works OK... :)
cheers

[dayvee]

Hi, I am new to your site purely as I am thinking about a K1200LT.I have had several BMW,s over the years but mainly ride Ducati,s,I have an st4s,st2s and a 907ie.I use Ultra seal and It must be Karma cos I dont seem to get the punctures that my Triumph mates get,probably due to them running out of road keeping up and finding the gutter and debris.I had an Avon on the rear of my st4s that had a puncture not long after I bought it and I didnt want to replace it for a month due to a trip coming up that required Pirelli Corsa 3,s(Nurburgring and Assen)so I put Ultra Seal in it and it sealed fine with no air loss for the month and no need to go slow,I had total faith and just rode as per normal(brisk)reaching 130mph on the way back from Donnington WSB,on a private stretch of road of course.The tyre changers dont like it if not told prior to changeover but the chap who installed the Pirelli was fine.The stuff makes sense to me,cheers DK.

[tvguy]

I have been using Ride-On for the last 18k and it is great. The tires last much long at normal tire pressure (36-42 solo) and it balances them out for a smoother ride. I am getting 14k out of the front and 11k out of the rear before the Air-Wolf sounds appear.

The product is NOT messy at all. It only sticks to the center part of the tire (4-5 inches wide) Its like having an extra piece of rubber inside the tire...

Excellent stuff!!!

[deputy5211]

I'm using the Ride-On as well. No worries yet, but only 4k so far.

Someone here recommended it to me, and I think they had an affiliate link. Now that I have a tire changer etc, would like to buy a bunch for my mates to use when they change tires. Who was it? Dave D., was it you?

[teejay]

I've been using it for over three years and never had a puncture. Never had to put any air in at all. My dealer changes my tyres and also puts the product in , which I supply. I understand that most people will change tyres if you tell them that you have Ultraseal in. I like the peace of mind that it gives me.

Terry

[StillJustJerry]

Perry, did you get the Ultra Seal? Can you tell us how you like it? According to their website they recommend the bicycle strength for the motorcycle tires. Is that what you got?

[oknplm]

I talked to the Georgia distributor and bought the "HY-Performance Grade". I have it in both my LT and RV tires. Normally I am the person who gets a nail in their tire within weeks of replacement. As expected, now that I have the product installed I have not had any tire problems (nails, etc.) so can not speak to the sealing quality. I will say that the tires are maintaining pressure (have not had to add addition air in six months. As well as it appears to be maintaining tire balance due to no visual cupping or wear. I am in the process of ordering some more product for my daughters car. For safety sake and for my grandson.

May we never find the end of the road!

Perry Ridgway

oknplm









Perry, did you get the Ultra Seal? Can you tell us how you like it? According to their website they recommend the bicycle strength for the motorcycle tires. Is that what you got?

[GeoffCee]

Anyone out there that has used the product I would be interested in your feedback?

I've been using Ultraseal for 4 years, ever since I picked up a puncture over a weekend in France and couldn't get a specialist repair done until Tuesday!
Nothing much to report on the product, 'cept in use it appears to do what it's supposed to do, namely fixes punctures as they happen and gives you peace of mind.
Claims have been made that it causes the tyre to run cooler and that it extends tyre life. Can't comment on the temperature and I've not noticed my tyres lasting any longer. As for the reported "mess" when replacing a tyre, it's really no big deal, the stuff washes off from the inside of the wheel readily enough with water. In that regard it behaves like it's water-based, but in reality I've no idea what it consists of.
I'll continue using it until I see an independent authoritative report telling me it's a dangerous product. I would only add that once you have Ultraseal in your tyres you are obliged in your own interests to regularly check your tyres for signs of penetration by sharp objects and to remove them. Something penetrating the tyre could, over time, cause catastrophic damage to the inside of the tyre wall. Ultraseal may mask this damage by not allowing the tyre to slowly deflate in the normal way. You just have to bear in mind it is NOT a miracle product, it's a hole stopper... ;)

[DLBass]

Been using it for years in various bikes, and would not be without it. The tyres run slightly cooler, better balanced, and that alone to me is worth it. Had one hole in that time whilst on holiday in France and the Ultraseal plugged it, and I rode home from Paris with no loss of pressure at all.

David