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MOSLEYDS
Oct 4th, 2006, 4:31 pm
By TOM ROEDER THE GAZETTE
The Colorado Springs Gazette
Oct. 4
Contrary to a White House intelligence report released last month, the war in Iraq is lessening the threat of terrorist attacks on American soil, experts said Tuesday at the Homeland Security Symposium in Colorado Springs. Military officials', experts' and retired generals' reasoning remains consistent with what they've said since the rise of the insurgency in Iraq: Every terrorist killed or captured in Iraq is one less militant who could carry out an attack on American soil.

"I believe the right thing to do is to take the fight to the enemy," said retired Air Force Gen. Ed Eberhart, a former commander of U.S. Northern Command in Colorado Springs. "As the terrorists see us as more than willing to hunt them down, it will dissuade them from attacking us."

The logic is that terrorists are getting bogged down in Iraq and are left without the means to attack here, said retired Lt. Gen. Ed Soriano, a former Fort Carson commander.

"That's the whole intent," he said. "We don't want this fight to come to us in America and as long as we keep at it in Iraq, it won't."

The White House report, a compilation of data from federal intelligence agencies, said the war in Iraq is driving growth of Islamic militant groups who will pose increased threats to U.S. interests at home and abroad.

Although most experts disagreed with that assessment, no guarantees of safety are being offered at the three-day symposium on countering t attacks and natural disasters that's being held at The Broadmoor hotel.

In fact, most of the speakers Tuesday guaranteed the opposite.

Retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, best known for his role in leading anti-drug efforts in the Clinton administration, called a future attack on U.S. soil "100 percent certain."

But McCaffrey, like the other retired generals, said efforts to root out terrorists are working and America is a safer place today than it was before troops invaded Iraq.

McCaffrey, Tuesday's keynote speaker at the symposium, isn't in lock step with the Bush administration's tactics in Iraq. The general said the U.S. effort there is in serious trouble.

He said more money, more troops and more backing among the American public will be requirements for American victory in Iraq.

But it's a little too late to start worrying about whether terrorism is worse since the Iraq war started, said retired Army Col. David McIntyre, who heads the homeland security center at Texas A&M University.

"The real question is what's next?" he said.

McIntyre said the problem is that America faces an intractable enemy that has no intention of slowing its anti-American campaign even if U.S. troops abandon the Middle East.

"We keep thinking about ways to break away from this war," he said. "But they aren't going to let us."

Army Maj. Gen. William Webster, Northern Command's operations chief, said terrorism is a growing concern and that some of its growth can be attributed to American military involvement in Iraq.

The command at Peterson Air Force Base closely tracks terrorism in its role to defend America from attacks.

But, he said, terrorism has been a growing business for a long time. Webster, who survived the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon and went on to serve as the commander of an Army division in Baghdad, traced the growth of terrorism to the 1980s when American entanglements in Lebanon led to a series of terror attacks.

"It's important to remember we didn't start this war," he said.

One speaker Tuesday said America can help stem the growth of Islamic terrorism by waging a better public relations campaign.

Ahmad Dhani, Indonesia's top rock star, told an audience of about 1,500 people at the symposium that Americans need to convince the world that we aren't at war with Islam.

"People in Indonesia think America hates Muslims," he said. "We have to let people know that America hates the radicals."

Dhani was at the symposium to push his campaign to persuade Indonesians to shun extremist beliefs. His work includes a hit song that calls for tolerance by quoting the Muslim holy book, the Quran.

Chick
Oct 4th, 2006, 7:10 pm
Hey Don, you are going to confuse the anti-war crowd with facts!!!!


Keep it up!

meese
Oct 4th, 2006, 10:26 pm
What facts? All I see are several different opinions, including ones that conflict with the article's title premise.

KBandit
Oct 4th, 2006, 11:54 pm
chances are i could find an article or two, including a defense department report authored by the analysts at CIA, that says the complete opposite.

George_S
Oct 5th, 2006, 11:02 am
The argument that fighting them in Baghdad is better than figthing them in Boston is pure B.S. intended to scare the US population into falling in line with Bush's failed foreign (gunboat) policy.

By everyone's estimate, there are 200 Million Muslims, Arabs, etc that hate us and would attack us if given the opportunity. (Out of a population of 2 Billion) To think we're keeping all 200 Million of them occupied fighting us "over there" is ridiculous.

They will try and attack us here whether or not they are fighting us somewhere else. The huge publicity boost they would get out of a successful attack here, as well as the financial and morale hit it would give us, is foremost in their minds. Don't be fooled into thinking they're perfectly happy to do a few hit and runs on our troops and that keeps them from planning another big hit here.

Most Iraqis don't want us "helping" them, nor do they agree with or want our "western style" democracy that the administration keeps pushing on them. What works over here as a form of government doesn't necessarily lend itself to be the answer to everyone's needs around the world.

tmgs
Oct 5th, 2006, 11:28 am
Ahmad Dhani, Indonesia's top rock star, told an audience of about 1,500 people at the symposium that Americans need to convince the world that we aren't at war with Islam.

"People in Indonesia think America hates Muslims," he said. "We have to let people know that America hates the radicals."



the whole problem is

Not all Muslims are terrorists
but the terrorists we are dealing with claim to be Musliims

I only wish there was a correct answer and we or all would put a end to this world wide "war"

Tom

tkramer
Oct 5th, 2006, 12:21 pm
Just a bunch of horse$hit and hand-waving. It's lies that got us in Iraq, and it's lies that will keep us there for a long, long time to come.

I might agree with the "Fight 'em over there, not here" premise, except for one thing:

Weren't the terrorists willing (and still willing) to rally support and fight us in Afghanistan? In fact, if intelligence reports are true, the prime suspect for funding and orchestrating most terror attacks in the last decade can be found where?

Duh, Afghanistan.

I fully supported the invasion of that country after Sep 11. I had been following news on the atrocities of the Taliban for about a year before the terror attacks. Also, from an international legal standpoint, it wasn't a sovreign country like Iraq, but a failed state, making military action entirely appropriate.

Hell, you can bet that if we invaded and destabilized ANY state or region in the world, (let's say Sweden, just for kicks), a Muslim extremist insurgency would find it's way there and harrass our operations.

humplatch
Oct 5th, 2006, 1:04 pm
It isn't the extremists coming over here that is going to destroy our country, it is the division that has been created and is growing exponentially amongst Americans. Democrats vs Republicans, Muslims vs Jews, Conservatives vs Liberals, Bush lovers vs Bush haters, etc.. It is a wedge that the rest of the world enjoys watching be driven further into our society. Divide and conquer is not a new concept in any arena.

America needs a real political leader. I was hopeful and supportive of the Bush administration, but sometimes I have to admit some reservation about my decision. Not so much because of the decisions, but more for the lack of leadership ability. We all need a leader who can bring all sides together at least in the fundamental principals of "one nation under God". Hopefully, that leader emerges from the wreckage that is offered by both parties at the voting booths. There, I'm off my soapbox...you all can continue.

tmgs
Oct 5th, 2006, 2:56 pm
It isn't the extremists coming over here that is going to destroy our country, it is the division that has been created and is growing exponentially amongst Americans. Democrats vs Republicans, Muslims vs Jews, Conservatives vs Liberals, Bush lovers vs Bush haters, etc.. It is a wedge that the rest of the world enjoys watching be driven further into our society. Divide and conquer is not a new concept in any arena.

America needs a real political leader. I was hopeful and supportive of the Bush administration, but sometimes I have to admit some reservation about my decision. Not so much because of the decisions, but more for the lack of leadership ability. We all need a leader who can bring all sides together at least in the fundamental principals of "one nation under God". Hopefully, that leader emerges from the wreckage that is offered by both parties at the voting booths. There, I'm off my soapbox...you all can continue.

good post

wish I could have said it so smoothly

MOSLEYDS
Oct 5th, 2006, 6:58 pm
I don't know who is right or wrong. I just worry that much worse is coming our way. If we get into it with anyone else, Iran, A draft is a sure thing.
Talking to local soldiers, they are doing 12 month combat tours, home for a few months, then back to combat. Crazy. Don't see how the Army can keep this up for much longer.

BillyOmaha
Oct 5th, 2006, 9:44 pm
I have serious concerns about this country for the near future. Most of you know my position on the war against Islamo-Fascism so I won't bore you restating it here.

My concern stems from two conditions:
1-Republicans continue to be take advantage of the lack of "real" opposition to their power. Similar to the "absolute power corrupts absolutely".
2-Democrats continue to be the "contrary" party. For the most part, it is easy to determine the Democratic position as simply in "opposition" to the Republican position regardless of the topic. No solutions, just opposition.

If Democrats would simply allow their candidates to take "reasonable" positions on issues, then they stand a chance of holding Republicans accountable. But, from what I've seen, the Democrats continue to force every candidate too far Left to challenge the even a far Right Republican.

An example might be Lieberman. A reasonable Democrat that lost Party support over a single issue only to put up another "contrary" Democratic nominee who will surely lose. The only solace to me is that neither a Republican nor a Democrat will win, Lieberman is way ahead, and Lieberman's voice of reason will remain in Congress to challenge Republicans even if it is as an Independent.

I have read position paper after position paper on the war and have yet to see a consensus Democratic position on how to respond to Islamo-Fascism. If you know of one, enlighten me.

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George_S
Oct 5th, 2006, 10:50 pm
I don't know who is right or wrong. I just worry that much worse is coming our way. If we get into it with anyone else, Iran, A draft is a sure thing.
Talking to local soldiers, they are doing 12 month combat tours, home for a few months, then back to combat. Crazy. Don't see how the Army can keep this up for much longer.

My nephew has been in the USAF for about 8 years. I don't think he's been back home in the US for more than 3 weeks at a time for the past 5 or 6 years. A year each in - Afghanistan, Kuwait, Iraq, Korea, UAE. Seems like no one gets duty in the US or Germany anymore. Just one war zone after another, these guys and gals have gotta be suffering burnout, no?

My family has had people in each branch of the military and has suffered family members killed or wounded in WWII, Korea, Vietnam. I'm very proud of and humbled by their actions, but there's no G-damned way I'll allow either of my teenagers to go to some ass of a country to fight for someone that never asked us to, nor appreciates the sacrifice we're making for them.