Dead cop

[UncleRock]

Another police chief speaks out. More fuel for people on the immigration issue.link and video (http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2487004&page=1)
Rock

[hagar]

Another police chief speaks out. More fuel for people on the immigration issue.link and video (http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2487004&page=1)
Rock

The answer is "outsourcing". Send all the criminal illegal aliens to a country that will put them in prison cheap, and gives discounts the longer they serve. China, Russia, Afghanistan and Iraq comes to mind. These scumbags flaunt the laws of the US with impunity, rob our welfare, social and medical systems blind, bring in drugs and possibly terrorists and do their best to install their own corrupt politicians as a means to legitimize their behaviour. The cheap labor they provide now will turn into the most expensive labor down the road.

[Oisin]

The answer is "outsourcing".These scumbags flaunt the laws of the US with impunity, rob our welfare, social and medical systems blind, bring in drugs and possibly terrorists and do their best to install their own corrupt politicians as a means to legitimize their behaviour.

Careful,

That is what the current leadership of the country is doing at this time.

[Woolly]

Careful,

That is what the current leadership of the country is doing at this time.

I was gonna say - when woz the last time u were in the UK

[rixchard]

Well, here is a hypothetical for you. If you were in their shoes (the illegal immigrants) would you be trying to sneak across the border in order to find some work or just stay in Mexico?

[zippy_gg]

Well, here is a hypothetical for you. If you were in their shoes (the illegal immigrants) would you be trying to sneak across the border in order to find some work or just stay in Mexico?In other words... "Would you willfully and knowingly break the law and cross the border at night?"

[hagar]

Well, here is a hypothetical for you. If you were in their shoes (the illegal immigrants) would you be trying to sneak across the border in order to find some work or just stay in Mexico?

Not if I knew I had a good chance to get caught and face some real penalties. But if somebody told me these stupid gringos don't care, give out welfare, foodstamps and health care for all who ask, tax free work is freely available, and there is an unsatiable demand for all kinds of drugs I can easily obtain in mehiko and sell for 10 times the price in Amerika, and if I do get caught I'll just give them a fake name and skip the country back to mehiko, HELL YES I'LL BE HERE, and so will all my relatives and whomever is willing to pay me for helping them come along.

[meese]

That is what the current leadership of the country is doing at this time. Touché. Unfortunately, pretty much every political party does these things, in every country. It's really more a matter of degree.

[Ghost55]

Most illegal immigration is easy to stop, the average U.S. citizen just doesn't have the stomach for it. Concertina and land mines would stop it in a few days. The tiny liberal side of me made me add the concertina, you really don't need it. Until the risk far outweighs the benefits, it will continue.

[UncleRock]

Most illegal immigration is easy to stop, the average U.S. citizen just doesn't have the stomach for it. Concertina and land mines would stop it in a few days. The tiny liberal side of me made me add the concertina, you really don't need it. Until the risk far outweighs the benefits, it will continue.
Wouldn't that get it the way of the coming North American Union??
You do need the wire to funnel them towards the unmarked mines, if you wanted to get the job done!
Rock

[kevincook]

I wrote a long reply and then decided to delete the contents because I knew someone would be upset. I'll just post this link and let everyone decide for themselves.

Here is a pretty good discussion of the costs to the country. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm

I'm pretty sure public opinion will change after a nuclear or chemical weapon goes off in NY, Washington or LA that was smuggled across the Mexico border :( :( :(

Kevin

[rixchard]

Never mind. I was going more for a discussion as opposed to a diatribe against lazy shiftless mescin ner do wells

[mikehall]

Some of these Birds cost us as tax payers a lot of money, jobs, and quality of life. This jerk should have been locked up anyway. Its just easier to send them back so they can sneak in again. Lock these CRIMINAL Bastards up period.

Not in a 30K per year place either. A large area in the desert with a white picket fence surrounded by armed guards. You cross it your dead.

I'm not referring to people who are just trying to have a better life but the criminals.

[UncleRock]

09/27/2006

DHS eyes House members

Agent who spoke with Rep suspended

Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer

Congressional members interviewed by the newspaper said they were unaware until recently that Border Patrol agents were required to file Significant Incident Reports - normally used for shootings and other serious border incidents - when congressional members made unannounced visits in the summer along the U.S.-Mexico border.

A second document obtained by the paper reveals that one agent was suspended for 10 days without pay for speaking with Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, who made an unannounced visit to the border in May.

"Preventing Congress from speaking freely to federal employees violates at least two federal statutes, and agents are fearful of telling the truth," said King, who recounted several visits to the Mexican border when Border Patrol agents would not speak with him for fear of reprisal.

"Filing these reports is a form of intimidation. If anyone is going to be punished, then they should be punished for not speaking to a member of Congress, rather than for telling the truth."

Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, who also has made unannounced visits to the border, said he is concerned congressional oversight of border matters has suffered as a result of the Homeland Security monitoring. Poe echoed King's assertion that forcing agents to file reports is a form of intimidation, and said Congress is prepared to call for hearings and issue subpoenas to investigate the matter.

"Members of Congress should not be under surveillance by Homeland Security because we ask the tough questions (of) border agents, and border agents should not be intimidated into having to report our visits and conversations with them like we are criminals," Poe said. "Members of Congress are not the enemy because we want to find out the truth at the border."

Michael Friels, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, denied that the incident reports were meant to keep tabs on congressional members, adding that the reports were simply an effort to keep U.S. Customs and Border Protection leadership informed about congressional visits.

"I think a (Significant Incident Report) is a matter of awareness," Friels said. "It's to ensure our agency is aware of high-profile visitors, media activity and significant arrests -- anything our leadership needs to know in order to have appropriate situational awareness."

Friels said that he could not comment on the Aug. 21 suspension of a U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent who spoke with King because the matter is "still pending an administrative process."

In a May 10 memo, "SIR for Visiting Congressmen," Clint Stoddard, special operations supervisor and a Tucson (Ariz.) Sector commander with Customs and Border Protection, notified all supervisors to set new standards for reporting Border Patrol agents who have any encounters with visiting congressmen. The policy is in effect nationwide.

"Recently, Iowa Congressman King visited the border area," the memo states. "An IIR (local report) was done on one of two contacts with our agents. A request was made by HQOBP (Headquarters of Office of Border Patrol) to elevate these types of contacts to an SIR (Significant Incident Report). Sensitivities are such that this type of information is critical in the D.C. area. Much is going on in the way of legislation proposals and such.

"Please ensure that unannounced visits such as these are promptly reported as an SIR."

"The clear intent of this policy is to discourage employees with firsthand knowledge about the porous state of our borders from sharing that information with members of Congress," said TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing about 11,000 Border Patrol agents. "In order for our democracy to function properly, citizens and lawmakers must have access to the unvarnished truth."

Withholding information from congressional members violates the Homeland Security Act of 2002, Bonner added.

Under Title 6 of the U.S. Code, Sec. 254, employees of the Border Patrol and several other agencies who willfully deceive congressional members face stiff penalties and termination. Bonner said that intimidating agents from speaking to congressional members is just as egregious.

"The Undersecretary for Border and Transportation Security may, notwithstanding any other provision of law, impose disciplinary action, including termination of employment, pursuant to policies and procedures applicable to employees of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, on any employee of the Bureau of Border Security who willfully deceives the Congress or agency leadership on any matter," the act states.

"They're asking border agents to violate their own policy," Bonner said.

Friels rejected that assertion, saying Customs and Border Protection officials want to make sure operations are adequately staffed while these visits take place.

"We want to coordinate these visits so we can continue our border security operations. They (agents) have a specific duty, whether it's patrolling the border or a CBP officer at a port of entry," he added.

A Tucson Border Patrol agent, whose name is being withheld for fear of reprisal, was suspended on Aug. 21 for 10 consecutive days without pay for speaking with King while on duty, according to a suspension letter obtained by the newspaper.

Office of Border Patrol officials, who had heard that congressional members were making unannounced visits to the border, discovered the identity of the agent while performing an Internet search, when they found a photograph of the agent with the congressman.

"On May 6, while on official duty, you met with your friend, Congressman King, and three other individuals," the letter stated. "You took them to an area west of your office and gave them a tracking demonstration, and you spent approximately three hours with these individuals. You did not have prior supervisory permission to perform these activities while in an on-duty status."

King said he is "seeking a positive resolution to that matter."

Numerous field agents interviewed by the Daily Bulletin over the past month said directives from U.S. Border Patrol headquarters have also kept them from filing accurate reports about incidents along the southwest border.

"It feels like we just can't speak the truth," said an Arizona Border Patrol agent, speaking on condition of anonymity. "They want to know what we say and who we say it to. If we say something that doesn't fit with the agency line, then we're reprimanded."
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I guess if you do any part of your job on the border your in trouble with Bushies :eek:

Rock