NEW! STRUTZ LT leg rests

[RonKMiller]

Well guys - you've been asking for leg rests for your LT that:

Do not require ANY tools to install, drilling, cutting, disassembly of components or unsightly iron brackets and fasteners.
Are easy to install – takes 60 seconds for the first mounting and 5 seconds thereafter.
Are easy and convenient to remove - in 1 second!
Provides a wide, comfortable, ergonomic platform to rest your lower calf muscle during long trips and allows full extension of your legs.
Are unaffected by intense UV, water or road grit and grime.
Are virtually indestructible.
Can easily be stored on your bike when you don't want them attached.
Will NOT cause collateral damage in case of a tip-over or crash since they "pop off", and easily "snap" back in place!
Allows your legs to rest 3" LOWER than similar designs.
And…. has an OEM look that compliments that great LT style!
Announcing STRUTZ. (Patent pending)

CNC machined from a piece of solid billet aircraft aluminum, then polished and clear coated, STRUTZ are designed to last a lifetime. STRUTZ are attached with two strips of amazingly strong weatherproof 3M Dual Lock 250/400 Fastener and will "pop off" in case of tip-over - sparing you BIG $$$$ in damage to your fairing, paint and LEGS.

How do you install STRUTZ? Simply peel and stick! :eek:

You'll need to let the ultra strong high temperature (290F) 3M adhesive on the back of the Dual Lock Fastener set for about 12 hours before your first use, after that they remain firmly in place. To take them off simply pull up on the outside tip and they "pop off". The only thing that remains in place on your tip over bars and trim are two strips of corresponding Dual Lock Fastener. To reinstall your STRUTZ simply position them in place and press hard – the Dual Lock Fastener will "click" to let you know they are firmly attached. In the future if you decide to remove the Dual Lock Fastener on your bike’s trim, several passes with a hair dryer on high heat and firm pulling will allow the adhesive to be removed without damage! STRUTZ can be installed/removed up to 1000 times before replacing the Dual Lock Fastener. With almost 7 inches of Dual Lock Fastener each STRUTZ can support well over 150 lbs. of vertical down force before separating and "popping off"!

For technical details regarding exactly how strong 3M Dual Lock Fasteners are go here:

http://multimedia.mmm.com/mws/mediawebserver.dyn?6666660Zjcf6lVs6EVs66S9CICOrrrrQ-

We are taking orders NOW for late September delivery – and have arranged special group buy pricing for the first 50 orders at a discount of 20% for LT Forum members. Your price is only $265.00 per set and includes FREE shipping to your door, a $20.00 value. After the first 50 orders the price goes back to our regular price of $330.00 plus shipping.

To get on the group buy list, send me an E-mail with your name to KonTourSeat@cs.com, and we’ll contact you shortly before delivery with a request for payment.

Best,

Ron

Managing Director
KonTour Seat

[DaveDragon]

Very cool idea Ron!

[RonKMiller]

Very cool idea Ron!

Thanks Dave! Hard to believe, but we've been working on these for the last 9 months - with 7 protoypes "printed" , fabricated and tested before the final version...:bmw: I got so excited to get them mounted I left fingerprints in the still wet clear coat. :D

Now, about that Adventure.....;) BTW, your new seats look great!

[JPSpen]

This looks good Ron,

My only question is. Will they come off while going down the road and you hit a pothole or something like that...

I know you've tested for this.....:D


Thanks

John

[UncleMark]

This looks good Ron,

My only question is. Will they come off while going down the road and you hit a pothole or something like that...

I know you've tested for this.....:D


Thanks

John

ditto to what John says... Including the fact that it looks good. However, I can just see the component popping off, hitting the tarmack while yer doin' speed... After you coast to a stop and retrieve it, you're on your way again...

tethers???? :confused:

We need the test results Ron... lay a little tech on us folks!

[RonKMiller]

This looks good Ron,

My only question is. Will they come off while going down the road and you hit a pothole or something like that...

I know you've tested for this.....:D


Thanks

John

If you hit a pothole big enough to knock them off you'll also be looking for a new front rim, two mirrors and a replacement spleen. ;) 250/400 3M Dual Lock Fastener is unbelievably strong.

90% of the weight of your leg is supported by the steel tip over bar - these simply make it a comfortable place for it to rest. Put your legs on top of the tip over bar next to the fairing and you'll see what I'm talkin' bout!

[grifscoots]

Do they come in orange?:p

[RonKMiller]

ditto to what John says... Including the fact that it looks good. However, I can just see the component popping off, hitting the tarmack while yer doin' speed... After you coast to a stop and retrieve it, you're on your way again...

tethers???? :confused:

We need the test results Ron... lay a little tech on us folks!

No tethers - no way - or we would have one heck of a liability problem - the exact same reason why BMW didn't put them on their mirrors. These are for off road use only. :rolleyes:

As far as tech stuff here 'ya go Unc: ;) The dynamic tensile disengagement strength is what you want to look at - 57 lbs. per square inch is pretty impressive, multiply that by 7 inches on each Strutz and you begin to get a handle on just how hard it is to pull this stuff apart. Remember that old Crazy Glue commercial where the guy glues his hard hat to the ceiling and hangs from it? If you used 7 inches of 250/400 you could hang a 399 lb. man. :D Each application varies - of course - depending on a lot of factors including force vectors, vibration, condition of substrate, temperature, etc.

Bottom line - they will NOT fall off. (until it gets over 250F) I've hit ruts hard enough to bottom out my worn out OEM front shock HARD and they stay firmly in place.

[bigbear]

Ron, could you post a picture or two of someone actually using them on a bike? I.e. Bike on center stand, drivers legs on your supports.

From your description it sounds like you lay your calf / leg on them vs put your feet on them.

Thanks

Roy

[RonKMiller]

Do they come in orange?:p

Dag nabbit Grif! - if I catch you lickin' my Strutz I'm tellin' your MA.:eek:

(and she'll fer sure open a can o' wup ass on your butt!)

Hey, look up this word :D : Coprophagia

Great for the next time you want to REALLY insult someone - just walk away and leave 'em wondering.....

[RonKMiller]

Ron, could you post a picture or two of someone actually using them on a bike? I.e. Bike on center stand, drivers legs on your supports.

From your description it sounds like you lay your calf / leg on them vs put your feet on them.

Thanks

Roy

Will do as soon as I can find someone around here.... - yep, designed to rest the lower part of your calf muscle on them, not your feet.

[Leo_Bell]

Well they look good, but I now use the hyway Ottoman,s and love em. I find myself propping my heal on the wing and resting the front part of my foot on the pad. Very comfortable for me. Mostly one leg at a time. This raises my knee up so I can rest my forearm on my knee. I also have the option of streaching out when needed. About half the cost. Over 20,000 miles and they look as good as when I got them. Just my .02

[RonKMiller]

Well they look good, but I now use the hyway Ottoman,s and love em. I find myself propping my heal on the wing and resting the front part of my foot on the pad. Very comfortable for me. Mostly one leg at a time. This raises my knee up so I can rest my forearm on my knee. I also have the option of streaching out when needed. About half the cost. Over 20,000 miles and they look as good as when I got them. Just my .02

Yep, they are half the cost - until your bike tips over or you crash and get a nasty surprise similar to this: (picture)

I personally know of several members that have had OVER $1,000 in collateral damage from designs that are bolted/welded on - not including replacing the damaged rests. That's the whole reason for the completely different design.

[grifscoots]

Dag nabbit Grif! - if I catch you lickin' my Strutz I'm tellin' your MA.:eek:

(and she'll fer sure open a can o' wup ass on your butt!)

Oh man, telling my mama be'd the last thang I want. Seriously, dood. I'm almost 50 and she still kicks my ass! OK, I won't taste of them. Does that clear coat repel drool?

Hey, look up this word :D : Coprophagia

Great for the next time you want to REALLY insult someone - just walk away and leave 'em wondering.....

I broke out the Funk n Wagnels, man, not only are you good looking, but smart, too! Now, if I could only learn how to say it in Espanol!

When you making these babies for the GT and could you clear coat mine in red Loctite?:cool:

[RonKMiller]

Oh man, telling my mama be'd the last thang I want. Seriously, dood. I'm almost 50 and she still kicks my ass! OK, I won't taste of them. Does that clear coat repel drool?



I broke out the Funk n Wagnels, man, not only are you good looking, but smart, too! Now, if I could only learn how to say it in Espanol!

When you making these babies for the GT and could you clear coat mine in red Loctite?:cool:

How 'bout cacaphagia? :v:

GT is already in the design phase, we'll sell them to everyone except Joe since he doesn't like any of our stuff. :D

[grifscoots]

How 'bout cacaphagia? :v:

GT is already in the design phase, we'll sell them to everyone except Joe since he doesn't like any of our stuff. :D

I'm first in line for the GT ones! I'd buy the LT ones, but in October, I'm giving my bike away. That's right. The LT will be given away.... for nada to some lucky soul.

It's not that Joe doesn't like your stuff, he just hates the word farkle. Farklephagia?

[RonKMiller]

I'm first in line for the GT ones! I'd buy the LT ones, but in October, I'm giving my bike away. That's right. The LT will be given away.... for nada to some lucky soul.

It's not that Joe doesn't like your stuff, he just hates the word farkle. Farklephagia?

Grif, you have a heart of gold, dood. THAT is very cool... give it away. GREAT Karma. :)

Gotta boogie - time to go carve some new asphalt with a couple of buddies once the cops go home tonight on one of these bad boys: 46" long and nicknamed "THE SCUD". Been up to about 30 mph so far but it feels like a TON. Some of the local hot rodders were clocked over 50 mph a couple of days ago and here's what is really SICK - they're all OUR age. Bunch of washed up ex-ski racer flunkies. What's the saying - you can't help getting old but you can act immature forever? COWABUNGA. :eek:

[hschisler]

Well done. Are you going to CCR? Have you thought of bringing a prototype with you to demo in person?

[emsweeney]

Having used the Dual-Lock for over 3 years, on now six types of Bug-Guards, I can attest to it's strength. It is GOOD stuff! Not interested in the product, but it sure looks well thought out and well made. Once installed, believe me, it will take a mighty pull to get it off all of that Dual-Lock!

[messenger13]

GT is already in the design phase, we'll sell them to everyone except Joe since he doesn't like any of our stuff. :D

It's not that Joe doesn't like your stuff, he just hates the word farkle. Farklephagia?Momma always said, "If they're talking about you, they like you.". :)


Ron, I'd like your stuff a lot more if you didn't have to bash the competition during the marketing and sales process. How gauche!

I also find your use of words like "coprophagia" for the purpose of elevating your intellectual status to be a bit over the top, as well. Let your extemporaneous descantings and unpremeditated expatiations have intelligibility and veracious vivacity, without rodomontade or thrasonical bombast. Sedulously avoid all polysyllabic profundity, pompous prolixity, psittaceous vacuity ventriloquial verbosity, and vaniloquent vapidity. Shun double-entendres, prurient jocosity, and pestiferous profanity, obscurant or apparent!

My http://totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/images/smiles/twocents_smilie.gif


Good luck with the Strutz. They're interesting...to say the least.

[grifscoots]

I also find your use of words like "coprophagia" for the purpose of elevating your intellectual status to be a bit over the top, as well.

Hey Joe, he was talking to me there. A friendly banter twixt bud's that went pubelic.... there's a lot of that going on here. Throw the first stone, blah, blah, blah.

Sit down and talk to the feller and you find you like him.... kinda like you:p

[messenger13]

Sit down and talk to the feller and you find you like him.... kinda like you:pWe've talked. We're friends...just ask Ron. :rolleyes:

[hschisler]

...I also find your use of words like "coprophagia" for the purpose of elevating your intellectual status to be a bit over the top, as well. Let your extemporaneous descantings and unpremeditated expatiations have intelligibility and veracious vivacity, without rodomontade or thrasonical bombast. Sedulously avoid all polysyllabic profundity, pompous prolixity, psittaceous vacuity ventriloquial verbosity, and vaniloquent vapidity. Shun double-entendres, prurient jocosity, and pestiferous profanity, obscurant or apparent!Personally, I like to keep it simple. You know... eschew obfuscation.

[messenger13]

Personally, I like to keep it simple. You know... eschew obfuscation.Egg Zachery! ;)

[RonKMiller]

We've talked. We're friends...just ask Ron. :rolleyes:

Absolutely. Joe and I just can't resist throwing verbal jabs at each other all the time - kinda like a couple of kids - but its all in good fun!:D

However - I think Joe nailed me to the canvas (or should I say cross? :p) on this one! ;)

You've NEVER, EVER heard or seen me trash talk a competitor, person or say ONE BAD WORD about any specific brand competing with one of our products in writing or in person. EVER. That's just not my style Joe - and you are dead wrong on this one. Go look through almost 2000 posts or ask anyone that has ever met me in person. I may offer pointed opinions on what I perceive to be deficiencies in design or reasons why ours is better - but that's a natural consequence of being in business and promoting a product. It's called MARKETING, and that's exactly why I get to pay for the privilege of my own little private forum. For example, when you file for a patent one of the MOST important parts of the "specification" is pointing out problems with the past concepts and explaining why your idea is better. That's not bashing - it's just differentiating - and that is literally what makes the world go 'round. It's certainly not "gauche": lacking social experience or grace.

...and if Grif does not stopping tasting stuff all the time I'm 'gonna wet spank him! Thank you very much.

You owe me an apology Joe, and if you're not gauche you'll offer it up. :)

[RonKMiller]

Well done. Are you going to CCR? Have you thought of bringing a prototype with you to demo in person?

Thanks Howard - I WAS planning on going to CCR but between this project and a new evaporative vest design and seat production - not to mention that I am moving right after Labor Day weekend - it just ain't gonna happen this year.:(

The protoype stage happened last fall and winter - these are final production units. We've already produced several sets and have been using them this spring and summer. It's just a lot more efficient to manufacture a large batch at one time.

We do have a 30 day unconditional guarantee - if you don't like 'em, send 'em back in like new condition for a full refund. Bug splatters and rock hits on the clear coat OK. ;)

[UncleRock]

Need an answer with a word of 2 or 3 letters save the big stuff for Joe.
Will they work with Mick O Pegs?
Rock

[RonKMiller]

Having used the Dual-Lock for over 3 years, on now six types of Bug-Guards, I can attest to it's strength. It is GOOD stuff! Not interested in the product, but it sure looks well thought out and well made. Once installed, believe me, it will take a mighty pull to get it off all of that Dual-Lock!

Yes sir - we had to be carefull not to overdo it on the grip! That 250/400 combo is nutz. I remember seeing an article recently where a designer was using it to stick an artificial leg on an amputee - no straps, pins, screws, nadda -just Dual Lock. Those fellers at 3M sure are smart. ;)

[RonKMiller]

Need an answer with a word of 2 or 3 letters save the big stuff for Joe.
Will they work with Mick O Pegs?
Rock

Yes.

(and... I think in combination with them it will give you the best of all possible worlds to get comfortable)

[hschisler]

Yes sir - we had to be carefull not to overdo it on the grip! That 250/400 combo is nutz. I remember seeing an article recently where a designer was using it to stick an artificial leg on an amputee - no straps, pins, screws, nadda -just Dual Lock. Those fellers at 3M sure are smart. ;)This Dual-Lock product thingy wasn't even on my radar (it's a very short-range, low-power radar :rolleyes: ). I'll have to check it out on 3M's web site. Sounds like there could be many other uses (duh) for it.

Also looking forward to your evaporative cooling vest, but I don't think it will be ready before I leave for CCR. Maybe I'll tough it out and wait until your product is available, in order to make the best-informed decision. Keep up the good work.

<edited>
New question: Is the other half of the Dual-Lock factory-applied to the bottom of the Strutz? How do you ensure a total mechanical klutz will mount the Strutz where they are supposed to be (best location, optimum location)?

[RonKMiller]

This Dual-Lock product thingy wasn't even on my radar (it's a very short-range, low-power radar :rolleyes: ). I'll have to check it out on 3M's web site. Sounds like there could be many other uses (duh) for it.

Also looking forward to your evaporative cooling vest, but I don't think it will be ready before I leave for CCR. Maybe I'll tough it out and wait until your product is available, in order to make the best-informed decision. Keep up the good work.

<edited>
New question: Is the other half of the Dual-Lock factory-applied to the bottom of the Strutz? How do you ensure a total mechanical klutz will mount the Strutz where they are supposed to be (best location, optimum location)?

It's already applied on the bottom when it leaves us - all you have to do is clean the trim area with an alcohol wipe, (included) peel off two strips of protective covering then position it and press hard. Literally takes 60 seconds to install the first time. The fit is intuitive - it nestles right in the corner of the trim and has been shaped to follow the outline - better depicted in the renderings below. The Dual Lock performance data is below too - it requires 57 lbs. per square inch to pull it apart - we use 7 inches on each Strutz to hold it in place - roughly speaking it takes 400 lbs. of force to dislodge it. You'll never get even close to that during riding conditions, but in a tip over or crash that is easy to obtain, especially in a few milliseconds.

[ecirwin]

No offense Ron, but these are pretty expensive little slabs of aluminum with strips of hi-tech velcro. I applaud your discount introductory pricing, but these puppies are off the charts. They are elegant and simple and you had me going until the price tag. I think you need a different manufacturing method. CNC from billet is great for a marketing term, but doesn't really offer much in the functionality area here. Extrusion, die-casting, thixoforming, injection mold, .....

You are charging as much. or more, as your competitors and their designs are much more complex. Whether that complexity is needed or not is another debate. I just feel like the price on these is an absolute shocker. Even for BMW and the LT.

How about options on finishing? A raw machined version would be good enough for me. No polishing, no clear coat. I'll hit them with a rattle can if they start to look bad.

[RonKMiller]

No offense Ron, but these are pretty expensive little slabs of aluminum with strips of hi-tech velcro. I applaud your discount introductory pricing, but these puppies are off the charts. They are elegant and simple and you had me going until the price tag. I think you need a different manufacturing method. CNC from billet is great for a marketing term, but doesn't really offer much in the functionality area here. Extrusion, die-casting, thixoforming, injection mold, .....

You are charging as much. or more, as your competitors and their designs are much more complex. Whether that complexity is needed or not is another debate. I just feel like the price on these is an absolute shocker. Even for BMW and the LT.

How about options on finishing? A raw machined version would be good enough for me. No polishing, no clear coat. I'll hit them with a rattle can if they start to look bad.

Already looked at all other types of fabricating - none of them met the criteria for durability and looks that we required. I already consulted with several plastics engineers on the project and plastics just don't cut it except for one: polycarbonate. Unfortunately without spending $50K for two dedicated liquid cooled molds (left and right) it was not going to happen since it would "sag" badly coming out of the mold. Cannot be extruded due to the very limited materials - like urethanes. Die casting is totally inferior and not even worthy of consideration. Thixoforming is awesome - not even a consideration for short production runs - each Strutz would probably run $1K - Oh yeah, it would require a minimum run of 1,000 up front as well for any other production method except CNC. Not willing to commit that kind of dollars on an invention with a "blue sky" production run of maybe 5,000 units over years and years. Now, if we thought we were going to sell several hundred thousand.... ;)

Price? Well the market ALWAYS determines the price, but based on the amount of orders we've received in the last 24 hours I think we're right on the mark. The most popular competitor lists at $395.00... so even at full retail we're almost 20% less expensive - and we won't leave a big hole punched in your fairing or bent and broken components after your bike tips over. :thumb:

[Sunderland]

Ditto what ECIRWIN said. The price was a shocker for me too. Oh well.

[ecirwin]

Already looked at all other types of fabricating - none of them met the criteria for durability and looks that we required. I already consulted with several plastics engineers on the project and plastics just don't cut it except for one: polycarbonate. Unfortunately without spending $50K for two dedicated liquid cooled molds (left and right) it was not going to happen since it would "sag" badly coming out of the mold. Cannot be extruded due to the very limited materials - like urethanes. Die casting is totally inferior and not even worthy of consideration. Thixoforming is awesome - not even a consideration for short production runs - each Strutz would probably run $1K - Oh yeah, it would require a minimum run of 1,000 up front as well for any other production method except CNC. Not willing to commit that kind of dollars on an invention with a "blue sky" production run of maybe 5,000 units over years and years. Now, if we thought we were going to sell several hundred thousand....


Well I can understand not being able to afford a mold on this low production part. I do think you are selling Die Casting short on this one, but it doesn't matter since tooling would be high. Like you said in a previous post, most of the load is carried by the tip over bar anyway.

Not sure what you mean by extrusion being limited in materials, because you could extrude aluminum. Of course the extrusion would have to be machined to the outline you have, but that is cheaper than billet. Extrusion dies are pretty cheap too, especially if you don't have any hollow sections. The shape looks pretty close to being extrudable, but without seeing one in person, it is hard to say.

I do like the idea and applaud your efforts. I am glad the orders are coming in for you. I guess I'll have to come up with something in the garge this winter. Unless your machinist has a bad batch and you have a fire sale on scratch and dents.

Eric

[messenger13]

However - I think Joe nailed me to the canvas (or should I say cross? :p) on this one! ;)

You've NEVER, EVER heard or seen me trash talk a competitor, person or say ONE BAD WORD about any specific brand competing with one of our products in writing or in person. EVER. That's just not my style Joe - and you are dead wrong on this one. Go look through almost 2000 posts or ask anyone that has ever met me in person. I may offer pointed opinions on what I perceive to be deficiencies in design or reasons why ours is better - but that's a natural consequence of being in business and promoting a product. It's called MARKETING, and that's exactly why I get to pay for the privilege of my own little private forum. For example, when you file for a patent one of the MOST important parts of the "specification" is pointing out problems with the past concepts and explaining why your idea is better. That's not bashing - it's just differentiating - and that is literally what makes the world go 'round. It's certainly not "gauche": lacking social experience or grace.Ron, let's be "real" here for one second, if that's possible with you. The above paragraph scares me. Quite frankly, it's political BS and you know it! If your products are great, let them stand on their own. You shouldn't ever, ever, EVER even have to mention other products. Period. You shouldn't be sticking your two cents into threads regarding other competing products. Period. That's S.P.A.M. and product bashing at the worst level. No matter how subtle or cunning that you think you're being.

I won't waste my time quoting you. All you'll do is defend yourself with meaningless dribble like "I may offer pointed opinions on what I perceive to be deficiencies in design or reasons why ours is better - but that's a natural consequence of being in business and promoting a product. It's called MARKETING..." http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/Topes.gif . That's "USED-CAR SALESMEN SPEAK" right down to it's very core. Yuk!


You owe me an apology Joe, and if you're not gauche you'll offer it up. :)I'll never apologize for calling a spade a spade... http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/1004.gif Never.

[RonKMiller]

"Ron, let's be "real" here for one second"

You know Joe, you really need to get a new mantra, because just about every post you've made in the last few weeks has included some purloined wisdom from Dr. Phil. Very clever, very original. :rolleyes:

What's really amazing about your tirade is that nobody invited you into the conversation - in your typical "just Joe" fashion you barge in with absolutely nothing positive to say, and the very first item on your neocon agenda is to hurl an insult by calling my invention "Wing Dings". Very kind, very Christian of you.

How about getting a life Joe? Your almost 5,000 posts in less than a year are getting a little long in the tooth. Your OCD is REALLY showing this time. I speak for a lot of the fellow members here that agree you really need to give it a long rest - 'kinda like that mental health holiday you took last year. It's just about impossible to see a post anymore without "Dr. Joe" chiming in and blessing us all by dispensing a morsel of knowledge from your vast reservoir of wisdom.

However, as your idol, Dr. Phil is fond of saying: "You can't take back stupid", and you, my friend, have once again proven what an egotistical, downright nasty and hyper-critical fool you really are underneath that "nice guy" facade.

Why else would you be NUMERO UNO on the complaint list? Quite a distinction!

And in case you didn't notice - this is MY forum, and you are not welcome back here again unless you have something positive to contribute.

[UncleRock]

Yes.

(and... I think in combination with them it will give you the best of all possible worlds to get comfortable)
Okay enough BS, I'm in.
Thats exactly how I rest my leg when not on the Mick O Peg.
Your design will just eliminate the Balancing act.
Rock

[RonKMiller]

Well I can understand not being able to afford a mold on this low production part. I do think you are selling Die Casting short on this one, but it doesn't matter since tooling would be high. Like you said in a previous post, most of the load is carried by the tip over bar anyway.

Not sure what you mean by extrusion being limited in materials, because you could extrude aluminum. Of course the extrusion would have to be machined to the outline you have, but that is cheaper than billet. Extrusion dies are pretty cheap too, especially if you don't have any hollow sections. The shape looks pretty close to being extrudable, but without seeing one in person, it is hard to say.

I do like the idea and applaud your efforts. I am glad the orders are coming in for you. I guess I'll have to come up with something in the garge this winter. Unless your machinist has a bad batch and you have a fire sale on scratch and dents.

Eric

Hey, thanks Eric -

Yeah, low volume stuff is really hard to come up with economically. We considered modifying the design to come up with a useable polycarbonate mold, but it would have involved making a "tunnel" in the middle, and that meant a weaker structure, and a "plug" for the end of it - yadda yadda. The whole problem with plastic is that it is SO viscous when hot - it just wants to flow all over the place. My first choice was clear polycarbonate, and it looked like some of the Macralon polymers from Bayer would work just great - but they just didn't pan out. It would have been cool to have it match the pc "airflow" wings and windshield - very slick. Acrylic was a good second choice and easier to work with, but way too brittle for safety. Amazing how much time and effort goes into such a seemingly simple design, eh?

If we have any scratch and dents I'll send 'em your way for free and maybe you can come up with something! Always like to see what other 'noggins can do. I've got your address! ;)

[RonKMiller]

Okay enough BS, I'm in.
Thats exactly how I rest my leg when not on the Mick O Peg.
Your design will just eliminate the Balancing act.
Rock

Great Rock! If you don't like 'em just send 'em back within 30 days for a full refund.

Back at 'ya around the end of September to get shipping info.

[messenger13]

...before you go and hurt yourself.

"Ron, let's be "real" here for one second"

You know Joe, you really need to get a new mantra, because just about every post you've made in the last few weeks has included some purloined wisdom from Dr. Phil. Very clever, very original. :rolleyes: I have never watched the man. No, not once. So just whose idol is he? Hhmmn...


What's really amazing about your tirade is that nobody invited you into the conversation - in your typical "just Joe" fashion you barge in with absolutely nothing positive to say, and the very first item on your neocon agenda is to hurl an insult by calling my invention "Wing Dings". Very kind, very Christian of you.When you used my name in vain, you invited me into this thread. And you're just mad that WingDings is a better name than "Strutz"! :D :D :D


Why else would you be NUMERO UNO on the complaint list? Quite a distinction!Yea...I kinda like it too! :)


I am Kinda disappointed that you Kouldn't figure out a way to get that Special 'K' into the name of your new "invention". Or is it an "innovation"? Hhmmn...

[sprdoorman]

Hi Ron,


Cool design, good luck to you with it. I have some of the plastic piercing pegs on my bike and I know some day I'm gonna wish I had taken them off, but for now I paid a lot of bucks for them and can't afford to pay another 300 bucks for another pair of yours. Oh well. Trade ins?

Anyway, sure you may have looked into this, but thought I'd mention it. Have you looked at the "Lost Wax" investment casting method. You probably could cast it hollowed out somewhat to save on material. Typically huge volumes are not required. You might try this link as an example of one place that does this. I used them when I previously worked as a design engineer.

http://www.precisionmetalsmiths.com/capabili.htm

Carl

[grifscoots]

We've talked. We're friends...just ask Ron. :rolleyes:

Yep. Y'all act like you've been married awhile.:D

[RonKMiller]

Hi Ron,


Cool design, good luck to you with it. I have some of the plastic piercing pegs on my bike and I know some day I'm gonna wish I had taken them off, but for now I paid a lot of bucks for them and can't afford to pay another 300 bucks for another pair of yours. Oh well. Trade ins?

Anyway, sure you may have looked into this, but thought I'd mention it. Have you looked at the "Lost Wax" investment casting method. You probably could cast it hollowed out somewhat to save on material. Typically huge volumes are not required. You might try this link as an example of one place that does this. I used them when I previously worked as a design engineer.

http://www.precisionmetalsmiths.com/capabili.htm

Carl

Thanks Carl - I'll have to investigate that more. The strength should be way up there, as long as the finishing costs are reasonable. That's the one huge advantage with CNC - a couple of passes on the buffing wheel and it shines like chrome. (not to mention there really are no up front costs - just load the Solidworks file and cut...) I've even considered buying our own CNC machine as costs for used ones are pretty reasonable these days, and the cutting heads last forever with aluminum! Sure would be fun to play with...;) as we come up with more designs it might make sense to buy one.

[fitsman]

Okay enough BS, I'm in.
Thats exactly how I rest my leg when not on the Mick O Peg.
Your design will just eliminate the Balancing act.
Rock

I agree, when I cramp up thats just where I put my leg.

[Jerod521]

Hey Ron,

How is the list doin' ? Are we getting close to getting it full enough to make a batch? Still holding out....

[zaphod]

I emailed Ron a while back and was told that he had sold the patent and wouldn't be making them.

[rodgtc]

Does anyone know where we can get the Struts now? Which aftermarket company bought the idea?

Rodger

[RonKMiller]

Hey Ron,

How is the list doin' ? Are we getting close to getting it full enough to make a batch? Still holding out....

The design and manufacturing rights have been sold to an aftermarket accessory company - I have no idea when they are planning on re-introducing them...

Pretty sure we notified everyone that was on the list but we may have missed a few.